Would you register your guns?

ALL kidding aside I don't own any firearms.Really I don't. But if I buy one I know places that you can buy them without registering them. Private sales don't you know. The gov't. is getting above the constitution and I believe that is our first law. yeah I know here comes the legal argument "they are only adding to the law not taking it away" BS. Yeah keep adding weight to a boat and it sinks. I know, I know I'm preaching to the choir
The saying used to be "we need to dump all lawyers and guns in the bottom of the sea" I think it needs to be changed to We HAVE to drop all POLITICIANS to the bottom of the sea. 99% of my problems today have absolutely NOTHING to do with crime - nothing.
99% of My Problems today have to do with POLITICIANS. It is sad to say but I would rather share a lifeboat with a criminal than a politician. The only difference between the 2 is one has the law going against him and the other has it going for him and they are both equally guilty!!!
Getting off my soapbox now, I would like to thank the choir for listening to my sermon.

DAMN! All my firearms were recently stolen. If I still had them I wouldn't register them anyway cause when I originally purchased them they were already registered.

Well I own a few guns, and no I will not register those that are not already registered. I sold a few and have a few, now if iot becomes a law of course I will. I am a cop so I would, but if this is a step to take firearms from americans... No I will never give them up or enforce that law. Just couldn't do it.
Now I have far more knives than guns, are those next after guns? I can do some real nasty things with a knife, same as gun, if its used wrong doesn't matter what the weapon is you can do bad things with it.
Things that make you go... Hmmm.

Poco, The founding fathers originally wanted the constitution to be used to grant more rights, not take rights away.

I have bought and sold so many over the years that if they went by 4473 forms they would need a large truck to haul them away. I suspect that is the same for most gun owners. What I actually have is nothing compared to what I have had over the years and sold off for one reason or another. Without overwhelming public compliance this legislation wouldn't stand a chance of being enforceable. Mac

It is not the govs business what I own. Nuff said!

Well I live in the peoples republic of CA, so all my guns are registered. If anyone came sniffin' around for them I would move them to a different state.....at least for a little while.

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Poco, The founding fathers originally wanted the constitution to be used to grant more rights, not take rights away.

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I wholeheartedly agree.My only question is What happened to the gov't along the way?

Guns, they sound scary, i wouldnt have a gun in my house.

I will not register and if they come for them it will be a LOOOOOONG day.

Off subject but maybe still on subject..

Millions of firearms.. ??????

Why does anyone feel, think.. they.. who ever they are.. would comes for your guns?

Why should they when they, would ever they are, can do other related things to the firearm subject that would most likely be far more effective?

I do hear a lot about what would you do if they, who ever they are.. come after firearms for many years now. My question would be where in the world would they.. who ever they are, get all the man power to force you to give you firearms to them?

Ralph
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Off subject but maybe still on subject..

Millions of firearms.. ??????

Why does anyone feel, think.. they.. who ever they are.. would comes for your guns?

Why should they when they, would ever they are, can do other related things to the firearm subject that would most likely be far more effective?

I do hear a lot about what would you do if they, who ever they are.. come after firearms for many years now. My question would be where in the world would they.. who ever they are, get all the man power to force you to give you firearms to them?

Ralph
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A little at a time. Just a little at a time. Ask our friends in Australia and England. They have been slowly losing their rights to own firearms. It didn't happen overnight. First, a seemingly innocuous law that seems to metastasize over time.

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Off subject but maybe still on subject..

Millions of firearms.. ??????

Why does anyone feel, think.. they.. who ever they are.. would comes for your guns?

Why should they when they, would ever they are, can do other related things to the firearm subject that would most likely be far more effective?

I do hear a lot about what would you do if they, who ever they are.. come after firearms for many years now. My question would be where in the world would they.. who ever they are, get all the man power to force you to give you firearms to them?

Ralph
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A little at a time. Just a little at a time. Ask our friends in Australia and England. They have been slowly losing their rights to own firearms. It didn't happen overnight. First, a seemingly innocuous law that seems to metastasize over time.

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And don't forget about the gun grab after Katrina.
Was it legal? No
Did it happen? Yep.

I do agree, Kami, with "whoever they are". I've never figured that one out. Everyone talks about the government or "they" but, despite my challenges, no one ever names them. This is the closest I've ever come to a photo of "them".

http://emilybee.files.wordpress.com/...atu-081407.jpg

Oh - this guy?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PP095V8zuL...%2Bbigfoot.jpg

Or is he from the bigfoot thread.

I agree there are small areas where the.."they" came and made firearms "bad" and the firearms had to be removed from the free people of America.
But on a large scale..?

I would assume.. understand the mess we have seen over the past 30 or so years.. there is a very powerful and forward motion movement to remove the free people of America of all their freedoms.. and well self-protection tools and the willing to defend ourselves too are being removed. Yes.. removed completely..

You would have to know the basic fact of what the "they" meaning who..? has done any thing right..? Well maybe run a huge military.. but what else have "they" done right?

Understanding this fact.. why do you feel they can remove millions of firearms from free thinking Americans?

I disagree. No way.
1/4 of the free thinkers of American would be enough to stop this silly madness 'they" would start.. don't you agree?

If not then how would "they" do it?

You have to take into account most of the working men and women of the local law enforcement, alphabet police, State military have families and friends that surely would be told of this movement way way before it went on.. giving everyone and their dog-cat notice.

Now yes with Waco, Ruby Ridge, Katrina, etc.. it is the simple challenge of good men and women that allow these things to manifest and go on right before their eyes.. and they.. those talking strongly about the "they" removing firearms do nothing about it..

Hmmm
Interesting thread.

Australia and England... LOL.. these guys.. were they asleep or what?

Ralph
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I can name a handful of cities that have fallen under that guise. 1/4 of the free thinkers didn't stop it there, did they Mr. Daley? Did they Mr. Fenty?

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Australia and England... LOL.. these guys.. were they asleep or what?

Ralph
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And just how "awake" do you think the average American, is?
I hope we are paying attention, more so than they were, but I still feel the need to yell "WAKE UP"!

I don't think I would be laughing at those countries, while we are being lead by the clowns that we have in charge.
(Not arguing politics here........there are clowns on both sides.)

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And just how "awake" do you think the average American, is?
I hope we are paying attention, more so than they were, but I still feel the need to yell "WAKE UP"!

I don't think I would be laughing at those countries, while we are being lead by the clowns that we have in charge.
(Not arguing politics here........there are clowns on both sides.)

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Something's wrong. :gagged: I agree with 2dumb. Completely. :innocent:

Are we going to have to start a 2Dumb and Ken agreement thread, too?

Don't worry - it won't last.

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Are we going to have to start a 2Dumb and Ken agreement thread, too?

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I know it. Why don't you just say it. Deep down inside. You hate me. :sneaky2:

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A little at a time. Just a little at a time. Ask our friends in Australia and England. They have been slowly losing their rights to own firearms. It didn't happen overnight. First, a seemingly innocuous law that seems to metastasize over time.

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But on a large scale..?

Understanding this fact.. why do you feel they can remove millions of firearms from free thinking Americans?

1/4 of the free thinkers of American would be enough to stop this silly madness 'they" would start.. don't you agree?

If not then how would "they" do it?Australia and England... LOL.. these guys.. were they asleep or what?

Ralph
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There is a great deal of validity to the "slippery slope" argument. It happens.

This is the stuff lawyers read:

The Mechanisms of the Slippery Slope
Professor Eugene Volokh
116 Harv. L. Rev. 1026 (2003) (Sept. 16, 2002 draft)

"Conclusion: So long as our support of one political or legal decision today can lead to other results tomorrow, wise judges, legislators, opinion leaders, interest group organizers, and citizens have to take these mechanisms into account."

Read the entire 109 page article at http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/slippery.pdf

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Are we going to have to start a 2Dumb and Ken agreement thread, too?

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LOL.....When it comes to serious issues, I think Ken and I agree on a lot of things. (He's not as dumb as I make him sound. LOL):innocent:

Just my way of thinking...but these that are being called "They" do in fact exist. I don't trust these anti gun propaganda statements anymore than anyone else here. It's kinda' like the calm before the storm feeling.... You know SOMETHING is going to happen but you just don't know when or what. IT has happened several times, it's not just isolated incidents anymore,ANY EXCUSE is all "They" need. You can call them the alphabet police or whoever you want. but "They" are being led to believe that they are upholding the law not violating the Constitution. We've all heard the saying "that when guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns" but it doesn't stop there. Does that stop the criminal mentality? NO! Even if all guns were made to go away, Murders and other violent crimes would still take place but with screwdrivers,crowbars,knives,baseball bats.....and so on ad nauseum. But how to convince those in power of this indisputable fact? So what will they do next outlaw screwdrivers,crowbars,knives,baseball bats and 2x4's? They are already trying to "get their foot in the door" by outlawing Knives right now. Once they have a "precedent" set then they have the door open. Am I right Mr. Counselor?

Hmmmmmm good points...
To be honest I have been training and then in return teaching others for so many years regarding "they" are coming.

I have to be completely open with this.. I get rather tired of the over all lack of 'will power' I find with the general public on issues of allowing invaders into our country, removing our birth rights to self-protection, talking heads running the show from a far as we make them rich.. etc..

I have asked around for years why the general public have such low self esteem and will power to get out and stop these things... the answer I get is.. did you play that groovy computer game yet, what time will the football game be on this Sunday or where will we meet for drinks..

Ralph
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Just my way of thinking...but these that are being called "They" do in fact exist. I don't trust these anti gun propaganda statements anymore than anyone else here. It's kinda' like the calm before the storm feeling.... You know SOMETHING is going to happen but you just don't know when or what. IT has happened several times, it's not just isolated incidents anymore,ANY EXCUSE is all "They" need. You can call them the alphabet police or whoever you want. but "They" are being led to believe that they are upholding the law not violating the Constitution. We've all heard the saying "that when guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns" but it doesn't stop there. Does that stop the criminal mentality? NO! Even if all guns were made to go away, Murders and other violent crimes would still take place but with screwdrivers,crowbars,knives,baseball bats.....and so on ad nauseum. But how to convince those in power of this indisputable fact? So what will they do next outlaw screwdrivers,crowbars,knives,baseball bats and 2x4's? They are already trying to "get their foot in the door" by outlawing Knives right now. Once they have a "precedent" set then they have the door open. Am I right Mr. Counselor?

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Quoted for truth.

People are always joking about "oh what are they gonna do after they take the guns, outlaw knives?"

Look at the UK, they pretty much outlawed guns for the general public over there, in fact it is actually illegal in those countries to use force in self defense. Literally, if someone attacks you and you do anything besides run to the phone or cry for help, YOU go to jail. And laugh about it all you want, but they are working on knives over there now, going through the whole process of making up stories and scaring people about the "growing knife culture" (yes, they actually call it this), etc. Thier government has convinced the populace that they are not safe unless they are disarmed and constantly monitored by gov't CCTV cameras.

As for registration, well there is no reason for them to have a complete and total record of all your firearms unless they plan on taking them away from you at some point. On that note, I am hearing a lot of talk about the evil alphabet men coming to take your guns all over the place but not a whole lot of talk about what to do about it. Private sale comes to mind. With the exception of some state laws, nobody is actually forcing you to fill out a form every time you buy a gun. Has everyone forgotten that in most of the US there are fine legal methods of getting paperwork free arms? Gun show vendors, classified ads, and all sorts of swap meet/flea market/yardsale type deals come to mind.

You can not defend against an enemy unless you know who the enemy is. If we talk about "them" we might as well discuss aliens. Otherwise, it just becomes dialog. Let's face it, in the end, we are "them". Our own apathy is what we fear.

Until there is great pain, the public will not act!

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You can not defend against an enemy unless you know who the enemy is. If we talk about "them" we might as well discuss aliens. Otherwise, it just becomes dialog. Let's face it, in the end, we are "them". Our own apathy is what we fear.

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The BATFE, many politicans and judges who's names I probably shouldn't mention under the "no politics" rule, and anti gun special interest groups like the Brady campaign.

There, that's who "they" are.

"Our own apathy is what we fear".

This is about the over all best line regarding our situation.
Thanks..

Ralph
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You can use it. It's royalty free. It's sometimes painful to think up gems like that but I try.

Register my guns ? Whats a gun?

I am already known as a gun owner. I figure they have me because I hunt. So they already know i have guns. I hope the day never comes but we will see what takes place if it does.

APATHY!!! APATHY!!!! That's our cry... A--P--A-- oh, the h3ll with it!

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"Our own apathy is what we fear".

This is about the over all best line regarding our situation.
Thanks..

Ralph
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I don't own any firearms. I only have a CCW for my "attack beagle". I carry him from the house to the Jeep and back.

well' im a canadian. my guns are registered. my government said if i break the law i will have to pay. ok american guys, if your government says that you have to register your guns or go to jail, what are you going to do. you are, after all, law abiding citizens like i am. so , what are you going to do?

How about cranking it up in an Introduction? We wouldn't want you to break the law here either.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ead.php?t=7813

To start with that e-mail going around about HR2099 is a hoax! But we all know that sooner or later they will sell us out I expect Mr Obama to sign a treaty somewhere with the UN or someone and make all private ownership of firearm forbidden.

It may never go down that way but in answer to what the Canadian said yeah some of us will refuse to recognize an Unconstitutional law. Some of us have already drawn a line in the sand! Because some of us would rather die standing on our feet than live on our knees being a loyal subject to whoever.

~HF~

i think there's a lot of confusion about the slippery slope fallacy.

an argument which states that a first step on a steepening slope invariably leads to a fall is flawed.

an argument which states that each step down such a slope is increasingly more dangerous is a perfectly valid one. it's actually quite a well stated one we should all pay attention to.

just don't confuse the two.