The wilderness can change a man............

I had no idea you guys were so philosophical

It was your word. I assume you know what it meant. Hmmmm?

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Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper

Really? Not me. I give a damn what society expects me to be. I am me, no matter what. If society doesn't like it, so ****ing what? Get over it.

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personally i think your full of it, you talk a good one but i don't buy it for one second

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Originally Posted by wareagle69

personally i think your full of it, you talk a good one but i don't buy it for one second

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You can think what you want. See post #28. :)

Maybe I'm psychic, but I think a reference to post #28 is coming up.

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Originally Posted by remy

I agree with WE.

"i am me"...does not mean much without us, without society, to compare this "me" you proclaim.

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sure it does. I am not dependant on your society for my identity.
With or without you, I'll still be the same old me. Without society, I'm still the same as I was with it.

Peacechicken, or polerider, or whatever he wants to call himself just needed to make himself feel better in my opinion. Apparently he's been infected with the other epidemic running rampant...People shooting off at the mouth about things they have no idea what they are talking about.

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Originally Posted by remy

No...watch...

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I stand corrected. Guess a career at the carnival is out.

you guys are hilarious. :phone:

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Originally Posted by remy

We rehearse a lot.

Seriously...AS...I am not saying you are dependent on, i know most of you really like your loner status and unique traits...i am simply saying that you exist in relations to.

I am...and i exist, are not the same thing.
Your identity is in direct rapport to existing...existing is in relation to what we have come to call society.

If you want to talk about your temperament, or your nature, then we can argue this relation with an outside object to give you form and life. But as long as you stay in the psychological realm...not so much.

Without my eyes, a tree is.
But the tree exists through my eyes.
It is undeniable that you are, without me or my society.
But for you to exist...for you to be "independent"...you need to position yourself against something. For you to not give a damn, a damn needs to be opposing your vision.

Your body, even without your will...positions itself all along what you call your history in relation to me, to your dogs, to your wife, to your environment...and so on. All those forces are influences.

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Dude, I don't know if you missed it or not, but I posted a while back that I quit smoking pot. I think I need to go buy a sack and smoke a fat spliff to fully comprehend the complexity of what you said. :)

I kid.

But seriously....

I see what you are saying. I agree with some, disagree with some.

My original point was that I am who I am, and if you don't like it, you can get bent. If you don't believe me, you can get bent. If my attitude rubs you the wrong way, you can get bent. Starting to see a pattern? So what if society is part of the influence that made me who I am? If I'm walking down the street and I catch static from someone because I have one of my dogs on a lead, or I'm wearing a NRA t-shirt, or I'm a "fringe extremist" because I post here, am I supposed to care? Am I wrong for not giving a **** that someone else disagrees with my viewpoints? If ANY of you can genuinely tell me "Yes, you are wrong for not trying to fit in with society" I'll call you a liar and a coward for not being yourself.

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Shall we go on ?

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Nah. For a couple of reasons. One, I don't really feel the need to be psychoanalyzed by someone else, even on a conceptual level. For two, I don't see this going anywhere positive. For three, we are now so far off topic even the ban hampster can't save us. And four, I got off work 12 minutes ago, and now that I'm not chained to my desk, I have other interests than the forum that I would much prefer to pursue.

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Originally Posted by remy

I understand...
Basically...it's my turn to get bent !
lolll

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Yeah, I guess so. :tongue_smilie: Didn't really mean it to come across that way. But, hey, what the hell, right?

Wake me up just before the meteor hits will ya? I want to exist just before I don't so I can be before I ain't any more. (rolls over and goes back to sleep.)

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Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper

sure it does. I am not dependant on your society for my identity.
With or without you, I'll still be the same old me. Without society, I'm still the same as I was with it.

Peacechicken, or polerider, or whatever he wants to call himself just needed to make himself feel better in my opinion. Apparently he's been infected with the other epidemic running rampant...People shooting off at the mouth about things they have no idea what they are talking about.

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i still think you are a blow hard and a liar, and if you care to prove me wrong i have a phone number for you to call.:sneaky2:

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q...one/behave.gif

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Originally Posted by wareagle69

i still think you are a blow hard and a liar, and if you care to prove me wrong i have a phone number for you to call.:sneaky2:

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you can post your number. *shrug* I don't have a damn thing to prove to you or any other retard half a mile away. The only reason your cojone's are swinging today is because you know I'm in Texas and your in wherever. So don't try to come off all hard like your some badass. It's like this, if you show up on my doorstep we can find out who the bigger man is, k pumpkin? Till then, how about we find a comfortable spot on each other's ignore list? I know you just made mine.

*sending the boys to separate corners*

Are you counting yourself among my offspring?

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Originally Posted by remy

That's a fun game...



Why would i.

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Because I am an awesome mama...just ask my son.

or you could trust the judgment of everyone who knows me (with the exception of my 16-yr-old daughter, because I won't let her get her driver's license until she gets her grades up)

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Originally Posted by mountain mama

*sending the boys to separate corners*

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i would love to go to my corner.:smash:

for what it's worth, my students love me....I taught inner-city, so I am of a different breed lol

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Originally Posted by remy

Inner-city, outer-city...kids are kids.

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I disagree with that statement totally. Having had the pleasure of speaking with kids of all walks of life, there is a large difference between suburban kids and inner city kids. At that age, the things you see/experience have a profound effect on you. Not saying that it's black and white, of course, but as a general stereotype, there is a major difference. Suburban kids typically see the value an education provides in the ability to get a high paying job and provide for your family. Inner city kids have what example? That you don't need an education, that you can make more money than the lames by posting a wall or trapping? That it's ok to blaze on the competition cause it's about putting food on the table and feeding the crew? At that age it's rare that kids have the wisdom gained from life experience to see it differently, and when there is no one to teach them differently the problem is only perpetuated.

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Originally Posted by remy

...Where you see differences, i see similitude.

All the things you just mentioned, are trumped by the promise i speak of. But most do not want to see pass concepts of inner and outer. It is normal i guess...since we are educated to do so.

Statements like i am an inner-city kid, or i am an inner-city teacher...do not mean much.
There is more drugs in outer-city schools...more suicides too.
The state of Montana has the highest % of teenagers doing meth for example.

We are in the business of taming...you should know, you refused it yourself...didn't you ?
We tame...and we tame some more...and those that wander are fetched by people that were trained to do so. Those people are called psychologists.

We are more than ever educating Spartan style.
Transmission is at an all time low, education at an all time high...and kids, no matter where they are born, are left to the wolves. They receive a false description of the world. False promises too.

Kids are kids...before being "inner", or "outer". Before all that stuff you talk about.

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Ok, I can see your point. At heart a kid is a kid until they start getting life experience.

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You say that as if you were an inner-city kid...lolll

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I was not an inner city "kid". I spent the early years of my life on a farm. I was moved to the inner city against my wishes later. Because the only male role models at that time were also "family", I was one of the ones posting a wall once upon a time. .357 mag causing my dickie's to hang low, rag on my head, pocket full of product, the whole nine. I learned my lesson. Saw to many friends stop breathing. I wised up. I rejected that life. I rejected the "taming" as well. I decided to blaze my own path. But all after years of walking that road.

Some people get jealous of that. They see me not constrained by the normal societal drive or desires and think whatever they think that causes them to push static my way. All that shows is they are to insecure in themselves, so they focus on other people to avoid looking at their own failures in life, because they cannot or will not see their triumphs.

I had to sit in the cloak room.....a lot....by myself.....Oh, and that d**n pointed hat thing in the front of the room. That was the pits. At least in the cloak room you could through everyone's lunch boxes. You couldn't do nothin' in the front of the room.

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Originally Posted by remy

Inner-city, outer-city...kids are kids.
On the surface, they might appear different, but they are all moved by the same principals, by the same promise.

To me, an education is one action too many...i prefer the notion of transmission to the notion of education. Education makes me think of a certain formatting, but transmission, for someone like me that enjoys ethology, implies the description of a world as we can understand it to our children or any other person.

There is no "good" education, for all educations are like the traces we leave behind...what we wish deep down, is that those that follow us do not take their eyes off of those traces...in turn perpetuating the general dysfunction...lol

It is urgent to understand, perhaps to comprehend, that the closest synonym of the term "to tame", is "to denature".

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You have no idea how ignorant this statement is...
I have taught in rural schools, as well. I can assure you there is a vast difference in the children encountered in each place. Children are children, yes, but their environment dictates more than you care to acknowledge.
Moreover, there is a vast difference in the teachers who choose to teach in such environments.

Have you ever taught school at all? If not, please consider this: you making a judgment based solely on opinion would be like a newbie here thinking they know everything about wilderness survival without ever taking a camping trip.

You're on your own, Remy. I'm backin' outta here. slowly.

sounds like a load to me....i was a virgin once upon a time too

The wilderness and kids can change a man and women :alien:

So, Oly, just how is that lumpy chair anyway?

The wilderness may change you, but it won't make you a virgin again no matter how much time you spend in it.

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Originally Posted by Rick

So, Oly, just how is that lumpy chair anyway?

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Makes me fat and lazy, I might out grow it soon.

I like to go into the deep woods, where few people go.the things that i discover there,and manage to put into use. makes it hard for me to leave those things behind when i leave.

Sounds to me like you are all talking about this: What is the sound of one hand clapping

Depends on where it land........oh sorry that is slapping.

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Originally Posted by Smok

What is the sound of one hand clapping

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whoosh...whoosh...whoosh

I have heard those , but there are still funny

Bump thread for BENESSE.

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Originally Posted by Sourdough

Bump thread for BENESSE.

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I understand completely Sourdough, from your post #1 in this thread.
I have felt that on occasion and always in serene places where it's just you and the vastness and sheer perfection of nature.
But I don't have the courage you've summoned up to move and permanently stay in a place that makes me feel that way.

What was the final straw for you?

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Originally Posted by Sourdough

There is a real transformation that can metamorphose within a man who is alone in the wilderness. He can exit the wilderness fragile, very fragile, he is no longer sure where that which is himself ends and that which is not himself starts.

Everything is kind of fuzzy, and has a softness about it, all things appear slightly blurred to the eye, like after one has been crying, and it can be hard to distinguish where one object stops and another object starts.

He feels weak and vulnerable, but centered. In fact he is stronger, but the feeling of weakness, and vulnerability comes from the loss of arrogance.

There is a clarity about the perfection of everything. Sounds are crisper, colors are different, there are so many more (new) colors now.

He feels as if he is looking through things and through people, this is a very uncomfortable experience, he tries to focus, but he just looks through everything.

Part of him wants to go back to the way it was, before being alone in the wilderness. But he also enjoys the bliss of how it is now. He wants to weep for no reason, but for the perfection of everything.

He has change, and can not change back to that which he was before, being alone in the wilderness.

I know not of drugs, but being alone in the wilderness, for long periods will change your perception of the universe. The universe is the same, but you have shifted to a place where you can see, with new eyes, a new heart, and a new empathy for all life. You have been born a second time, and are a child of the wilderness.

There was a time long ago, that a man was encouraged to go into the wilderness alone for a extended period, so that he might find wisdom about life. Sad it is discouraged today. Welcome home....welcome home. Home from the wilderness, for he free to return at any time to your true nature.

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HELP........How do cut out only this original post from the Chit storm that this thread turned into. I tried highlighting just this post, but it would not cut.

Highlight the text, then right click and select "copy" from the drop down menu, then right click again and select "Paste" in your new post box.
(dont use "Cut". )

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Originally Posted by Justin Case

Highlight the text, then right click and select "copy" from the drop down menu, then right click again and select "Paste" in your new post box.
(dont use "Cut". )

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Thanks, I did it..........woopie. (Rep thingie sent) Thanks again.