No man is left behind.
Volwest, you know this.
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No man is left behind.
Volwest, you know this.
how's his mind vol can he still lead or do we need to put him out to pasture .
I'm not so sure about that, That's an old statement that could use some help.Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
There may be some things you couldn't do as well but for the most part that wouldn't be the case unless this is a tiny group, like things that you used to be able to rely on someone for but now can't. but we aren't talking about a battle or a sneak attack on an enemy stronghold, there would be things that the weakest could do, teach for example.
When that's the case then your right, and it gives sarge the opportunity to be a better man than the rest of us... as he stumbles off coughing valiantly in another direction... I think our sarge would have already left while we were still trying to figure out whether or not it was moral or not to leave him behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
i can hardley wait till sarge sees what we have been up to.
lol yeah I'm waiting for him to pop in and say something........
Wow.
Can you ask another to do what you yourself may or may not do?
The better question is, you can't run, you cough too loud, you are going under no matter what, what is your decision? With your wife looking in your eyes.
I know my decision, what's yours?
that's a hard question fvr hard question.goona put some thought into that.
i sit here and picture my wifes face if we were in that predicament. a very helpless feeling comes over me.my wife and i have talked about who should go first, i love my wife with everything in me and would never disrespect her but we both know that she has a weaker constitution than i do, she cannot handle stress the way i do,linda plays tough but that's becuse she knows that i am here for her, if she were to go i would be angry and alone but i would survive, so back to your question, what would i do unable to move causing harm to her and the group, all that i can say is that i hope that another one of the warriors is able to protect her.and i would fight to the death to give her time to escape.
Sorry I haven't responded sooner but I've been reading your posts and laughing my butt off! Before that I just got through watching the newest "Survivorman" episode and guess what he did, showed the proper way to drink urine, with a solar still! Okay, here come the bad guys, and you all want ole' Sarge to save your young little tails, is that it?:confused: No problem, but I don't go off alone! Oh no you don't, not with some former Army Rangers on hand. This is gonna be a team effort and your all gonna be in on it!:eek: The guy with the poison dart has got point, of course. Wareagle and Trax will back him up with stone/flint knives. If all that fails then VW jumps in, starts talking and confuses the crap outta them while I sneak up behind them and slit their throats with that expensive hunk of hardware...Hey! I love made-up scenarios, got any more?:rolleyes:
btw. that question bothers me to no end.my whole life as you guys know has been as a protector in some form or another, so to envision myself unable to protect what means the most to me quite frankley angers me.
enough said....
This poison dart dude, he better come through. He better be spittin'm and s*itin'm, fast, real fast.
Now honestly, there are 20 and they have guns. You have the Army Ranger, French Marine, US Marine, Sarge, a bunch of hunters, few young guys who think they are invinsable.
And a few very pissed off woman.
20 guys with guns, they better go back and get re-inforcements.
sarge ya make me laugh. i wonder while you were away from the computer if you felt the icy cold hand of death descending upon you from your merry men.
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And a few very pissed off woman.
time to duck and cover
Wareagle,
The question is just plane scary. To be helpless, unable to protect, if you survived, how could you continue to live.
My answer is very much like yours.
if i did live and recover..it would take me to a dark place that i have always hoped i would never have to go, even linda reconizes it is there she has told her friends god help anyone that ever tries to hurt her. i would not kill the sob but guarentee he will wish he were dead..
No i didn't, but it did my heart good to read those because for once you were all on the same page! Even VW & Trax were working together, fantastic! That's the "group mentality" I've been talkin' about. Of course the part where I go off and die...(sob).:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
surprised me too ol vol and trax.
lol guess you didn't, but you put forward a scenario that would almost force my hand contrary to what i think about the "weakest member" issue. if I was the one to go? I wouldn't welcome the idea I but could only see it going one way. whoever stays behind would probably die or be a prisoner. And as much as I like the idea of being clever and doing as much damage to the enemy I doubt I would hurt more than a couple with a one man ambush IF I even had a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
I can understand and relate to your problem. 1st, though, let me just say how much I appreciate reading about how much you guys love your wives. I've been having to deal with a dysfunctional family on my wife's side. No steady relationship in existance there, and there are two children involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
There are no "right" words to say when someone loses not only a spouse, but a "soul mate" as well. I believe these words are true, "that when two people marry, they become one", at least that's the way it should be; we all know that it doesn't always work out that way. I also believe that death is inevitable. One of my favorite films that I haven't mentioned is "The Kingdom of Heaven" with Orlando Bloom. In this one scene he's trying to discourage a fellow knight from joining up with the Army. His line is: "You go to certain death!" The other guy smiles cryptically & says: "All death is certain." and off he goes to die in battle. I hear you brother wolf.:cool:
i agre with what vol west was sayi... oh look pretty birdie
I certainly agree with that. Again too, our scenario is dependant upon environment. For instance, if we were in a hilly,rocky area, we could place Sarge on top of a precipice somewhere with some large rocks and a lever. A couple of our younger guys lead the pursuers down a path below Sarge, Sarge heaves on the lever at the right moment, gasping and coughing no doubt with the TB, but the ensuing rockslide takes care of twenty bad guys, thanks mainly to one tubercular old wretch (sorry Sarge), but thanks overall to the team putting the trap together and leading the bad guys into the trap. No one gets left behind, no pissed off women.Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
I'm certain that between us, we could think up similar "traps" in different environments, that's just the first one off the top of my head.
Geez you guys, just cuz we had one little disagreement of opinions???:D You check back a few of the threads and you'll note there's quite a few things we've agreed on...and if you think about it, if we disagree with each other that well, how formidable are we when we're in agreement!Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
"It is the man with nothing to loose that is the most dangerous,(in the situation you described that would most certainly be Sarge) and if we feel that we have something to loose, we will be distracted, and fear will become a nuisance instead of a fuel.
We must first think like them. (Absolutely, Know your enemy)
We must enter their minds and pluck out their motivations.
We must become them, and understand them.
The best hunter does this with it's pray.(Very true, the best way to track something is to be where it's going to be before it gets there, track by it's habits, certainly not by it's hoofprints or you'll always be just behind it) It is not being in the "now", it is being 5 seconds in the future...always ahead of their re-action...for re-act they will."
Sounds more like "bunker supplies" than a "bug-out" bag, though I suppose you could include a BOB in their somewhere.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
I concur, gentlemen.
Hey maybe the portable toilet has wagon wheels! lol pile everything in it and your good bug out!
That much junk belongs in your house not your bag
I'm in VW! I also am in agreement about not listing firearms as that might encourage inexperienced people to run out, buy a gun, and increase the liklihood of: 1.) More shooting accidents, and 2.) might create a conflict of interest with Law-enforcement. Since, in my opinion, cost might also be a factor I think that we should stick with low to medium priced equipment. I'll start out by suggesting a large Army surplus Alice pack. I just got a new Sportsman's Guide catalouge and they're selling them for around 50 bucks.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
Ok so any one can add or change this, 1 (ONE) item at a time, offering a reason for their change.
Sarge started with the pack so I'll add...
Alice Pack
A good knife (I say it like that so there is no more battle, you insert what you prefer because thats what YOU will be happiest with)
Remember that VW wants to send in a list for serious cosideration, therefore I suggest saying "a relible knife with a blade in the 4 inch range.":rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by spiritman
I agree, we need to be more specific. How about 4 to 6? more room for preference.
- Alice Pack
- Knife- 4-6 inches in length
What's next?
army type shovel--to dig out possible shelter and/or to dig out/cover a latrine,among other uses.
Well I don't know to much about a pack so in that I have no input other than I like having a water reservoir but it makes water conservation a challenge for a while since it's right there all the time and you can't see how much you have left.
I do know what I have learned about knives. It's just harder to lose or break a fixed blade knife. End of story. And you wear it on your belt or the packs belt so pack space doesn't matter as much. I would go with a buck knife like mine but I don't have the specs right now so I'll get back to you on that.
As for plain or serrated I don't like serrated, but others swear by it. I think it gets in the way of most of the work you will do with it because it's at the base on most knives and cutting rope isn't what you'll be doing all the time. I'd be interested in one that had the serrations on the top part of the blade.
Full Tang for sure.
High carbon steel. I like 420, it's easy to sharpen and clean. Something like S30V however will stay sharper for them as long as they don't smack it around. I like it too but I have my buck (420) in my survival kit to be.
I also like the shovel idea, how/heavy is it? I have a small collapsible backpacking one that's not very big but pretty functional. I have seen one broken though so I wouldn't count on it for serious digging.
I think we can get a general list together, and Volwest can make us be more specific and address each new item we gather as we go along. He's good for us, makes us put more thought into things.
I also agree with the no firearms, based on we don't necessarily know who's filling the list, don't want someone being referred to as "Ol' Nine Toes" after the 72 hours.
I also like the idea of one of those small all steel hatchets with the rubber hand grip or the new fiberglass or whatever the heck that stuff is handle. The all steel is less expensive and they're very handy. YOu can carry them on your belt too if walking.
and paracord, I noticed the original list had "nylon rope"
LOL, looks like the stuff i would find in a bomb shelter :)
1st, the 7 strands of the 550 (parachute cord) are also made up of smaller strands that can be used as thread. The Ka-bar knife can be bought as low as under $50 at places like www.tomarskabars.com; and the large Alice pack is HUGE!:eek: It was used by the military in Viet Nam and could hold a ton of stuff! How about medical, signaling, &/or lighting?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
I used a 100 liter Bergan used by the British (And the Best) Army to carr a week of stuff in, HEAVY :O
With what you say about the k-bar I am cool with that. as long as it's straight edge.
I have a camel back type bag too, but not as big as yours but for a bob type thing I would want the bigger model.