This is one of the stone arrowheads I've made. I keep it hanging around my neck, I have it set up and ready to lash to a shaft. Once it is tied on I would seal it with a little pine pitch and deer dung glue. I keep a couple extra in my waist pouch.
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This is one of the stone arrowheads I've made. I keep it hanging around my neck, I have it set up and ready to lash to a shaft. Once it is tied on I would seal it with a little pine pitch and deer dung glue. I keep a couple extra in my waist pouch.
Thats sweet. How do you make "pine pitch" I won't bother with deer s*** glue.
You collect the pitch from from pine trees. Boil it in water until it floats on top of the water and gets soft. Then you take a stick and collect all the softened pitch on it (like the end of a Q-tip.) When you heat the pitch to use, you have to mix the deer dung with to make the glue set up properly.
Native Dude said: "I have used a sling shot to shoot rabbits and squirrels with some willow arrows"
I say: Bullcrap!
Don't use water for pine pitch, I just put it in this little pan and heat, and heat, and heat. It gets nasty, sticky, and black. Then I just roll it onto a broken arrow shaft and let dry.
I don't use no deer crap.
Well MedicineWolf, it is true. I have been bow hunting since 8 years of age. I ONLY bow hunt. I shoot instinctively (no sights on my bow.) I have shot geese, pheasant, ptarmagin, ruffed grouse, squirrels, rabbits, raccoon, possum, russian boar, javelina, deer, elk, bear, moose, caribou, mulies, black tail, bison, and many other animals. Using my hickory sling shot, with willow arrow shafts, obsidian arrow heads, and crow feather fletching, all bound with whitetail sinew, I have shot quite a few rabbits and squirrels in survival situations. I would never try this method on any game larger than a snowshoe hare, but it is quite effective on small animals!
You don't even know me, yet you call me a liar?! That's Bullcrap!! :mad:
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Originally Posted by MedicineWolf
If you boil it in water, it softens faster and does not turn black. It turns a brownish color (like caramel.) It is the way I learned many years ago and it has always worked. Use deer dung, don't use deer dung. . .that's your choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
I was asked how to make it and I posted the way I have always made and used it. The methods that I use and teach are the Native methods I was taught many years ago. ;)
where did you hunt caribou?
Where you from Nativedude, not picking just asking bro.
I too hunt only with longbow, and have taken many game animals, elk, moose, deer, and plenty of small game, but a slingshot that shoots arrows is hard for me to believe. The accuracy would be as limited as the distance, I was taught by my family (Nothern Cheyenne) and my tribe on the res. to hunt, fish, tan skins, trap, forage, and survive off the land as well as the U.S. Army Ranger school, but never in my forty years on this planet have I heard of a native (or anyone) using a slingshot with arrows. Maybe I'm not accustomed to your tribe as I assume you are Native American by your name.
It was not my intention to offend you, sorry if I did, but I find that really hard to believe so as my good friend Beowulf65 says... it is only opinion take it or leave it.
I have taken Caribou in Canada and Alaska (where I live.)
A slingshot w/arrows works at a range up to 50'. It is quite effective. When I (survival) hunt, I stalk and still hunt. Have done it that way all my life. The slingshot is not a native method, it is a method I tried on my own. I was curious to see if it would work and it did.
I am 1/8th Lakota (on my father's side.) I have studied the native way of life for many years, even before I found out about my heritage. Ever since I was a little boy I have hated what the white man has done to this country and the Native peoples of this land.
I have spent time in many countries, and just about every one I have been to, the people are very "tribal" by nature. . .not in the U.S. though. It is every man for himself. :confused:
Hate now there is a dangerious survival tool, everyman for hiself is just live and let live , let people make their mistakes so hopefully they wil learn from them and not blame the tribe just because it is not their own tribal means sticking together when some do it it is racisim and when others do it it is tribal, for a person to say I am responciable is good enough for me.
I would take the best avaliable wood and form a bow with a knife napped or steel make cordage and then arrows would use stone or bone for arrow heads and cane or reds for shaft wouldn't sweat fletchings but would use feather if avaliable or strong leaves.
I remember when I was 8 years old, up in the Pennsy mountains, I had a wrist rocket and an old arrow that I found. Spent two day shooting that arrow. Never thought of using it to kill rabbits, never really though of using a slingshot to kill anything. I just used an old red fiberglass Fred Bear bow.
Traded that little old bow to my uncle for a 40lb lemonwood longbow. Killed many a rabbit with that bow.
To me, slingshots are just toys. Yes, they can hurt you and maybe, just maybe take a squirrel or rabbit, but I'll stick with the bow and arrow.
This is just my opinion, take it or leave it.
I disagree. How do you explain the popularity of subdivisions. The U.S. has a very large "group ideology," sometimes it's too large.Quote:
I have spent time in many countries, and just about every one I have been to, the people are very "tribal" by nature. . .not in the U.S. though. It is every man for himself.
Subdivision are a group of houses that random people from all different areas move in to. Never have I seen a family, other than the Kennedy family that occupies an entire block of houses.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
Native tribes of the U.S. (Native Americans), Australia (Aborigines), for example lives in tribes (there family only) units.
Subdivisions are the Europeans brain-child. Designed and allocated to force random people to live together.
In most tribal settings you do not have stealing, vandalism, etc., except from those outside of the tribe. In subdivisions you don't know your neighbor and loyalty, well that is very low on the list.
Europeans (white man,) are not tribal by nature. Although Scottish and Irish families (clans) are generally very tight-knit, but not always.
First of all a tribe is notMaybe I'm reading this wrong, you indicate that a tribe is a family.Quote:
Native tribes of the U.S. (Native Americans), Australia (Aborigines), for example lives in tribes (there family only) units.
A tribe is:
A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.
There are many of us on the board, not just you, who have lived and experienced living around the world. Yes, there are formalized tribes in many parts of the world. Your statementis kind of devoid of intelligence or as sinine.Quote:
I have spent time in many countries, and just about every one I have been to, the people are very "tribal" by nature. . .not in the U.S. though. It is.Quote:
every man for himself
Maybe in "your" ideology and your actions. Many, no I will say most Americans do not feel this way. If we did, the U.S. would not be the number one country in the world that spends billions and billions of dollars on foreign aid, not to mention the aid that we, the U.S. Government give to those in need in this country.Quote:
every man for himself
Maybe you have some kind of weird agenda with your statements, or maybe, I just read too much into your words.
No FVR, I have no "weird" agenda.
The U.S. and the people in it are $$$ driven. The old saying goes "What's the bottom line ($)"
The U.S. is so busy giving foreign aid (so that they "the politicians") look good that we forget about our own (American citizens.) Take a look at the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. The illustrious gov't wants the private sector to pay to rebuild it. Where's all that foreign aid money now?? Oh yeah, that only for foreign countries.
Everybody, with the exception of the Native Americans, is a foreigner. So in essence helping out people in this country is "foreign aid!!"
Big companies too, use this land and its people for all they can get out of them and then leave, dumping their workers and caring less what happens to them. As long as they (the big co.) can make their money!! "EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF!!"
America is so busy trying to look good for the other countries that we have lost sight of what truly matters. . . ."The people of the Americas!!
I'm not saying that I am the only one who has been around the world. I am simply saying that the tribes I have had the pleasure of visiting and observing are like a well-oiled machine working in harmony together, yes I am aware that they have their difficulties, but the white man of the U.S. are all for "themselves," be-damned anyone who stands in his way! I have seen it too many times, in everyday life.
I can not and will not think like that. The US gives alot of money to it's own citizens in need. Are there screw ups and mistakes, of course. From what I've seen around the world, the only reason they are not like the US, is that they just have not evolved to it yet.
To me, it sounds like you are speaking of one specific political party. Yes, I do agree with you that we send too much money abroad, also that the politicians do it to further their careers in politics.
Of course money plays a big part of the US economy, duh. The US has and many companies have gotten the idea of selling debt, so of course all the debtors main interest is money. It has to be.
You want to look at Katrina, well let's. The Bush admin. is getting slammed for decisions that Dem. leaders made. It's a no win situation. How about all the freebies that many American citizens donated to those that lost it all in La.? You don't speak of that. You like many others fall victim to the propoganda of the media, and expect the US government to pick up the full tab. How about the homeowners that were warned and chose to stay? I know, personally a few that lived through Katrina, living in La. They lost it all, they almost lost their lives, yet when I talk to them they say, "they" should have takend responsibility and listened to the warnings.
You forget to mention how the good ol private sector raised their construction hourly rates to rebuild Katrina's victims homes, oh, but that would not give you ammo to disgrace the US Government.
You can alway find fault, that's the easy part.
Nativedude I would say it is amazing that you can remain oblective in fact I would say it is impossable. You obveisiously have your side in this argument and regardless of our side is human nature . I have also been all over the world and been a student of history and human behavior. Everyone at one time or another migrated to this continent and all the native tribes as well people argue, fight , become jelious and even evil tribes have wared against each other taken slaves stole where is the harmony in this. It sounds like you want to blame someone for something. You say you are 1/8 native in a lot of tribes that won't get you in the door . I think you see technology as the enemy and even you say your home is a primitave log cabin you still embrace technology by getting on line. I am an earthling my self and think someone who doesn't embrace al the people of the world as equals and deserving understanding and compassion is a biggot, racist and has poison in his heart I call them anti social criters.and they wil probably never be happy until they understand they are Earthling like everyone else.
I also think there is hope for al.
The last thing I want tis to get into a pissing match over politics, world events, and world history!! But, I do not like how the gov't (be it the dems. or repubs.) is trying to force this world into a global economy. PERIOD!! Nuff said.
Hop. . .I accept and respect that others have their own opinions. I was simply expressing mine, and no I am not a fan of technology. This computer is one I borrow while I am visiting family. I do not own any electronics, except for a handmade hand crank generator, and 1 video camera w/3 batteries. I record my adventures in the woods to show my family when I come to visit.
My last statement on this topic is:WE THE SHEEPLE. . .BAA! BAA!!
F.Y.I.; I get online because I would rather spend my time, while amongst the herd, talking to people of the same ilk as I. I am here to talk about the outdoors and all the fun we (the people on this forum) have in the woods, fields, lakes, streams, oceans, etc.
Nativedude,
Maybe you're a sheep, but many here are not. We have put our lives on the forefront at one time or another, we accept that the US may not be perfect, but it's a he ll of alot better than most other places in the world.
We support our government even though we do not always agree with out government. If you want to build a cabin and hide yourself away, that's fine, to each his own. But to make a statement like your sheep statement, defacing the US Constitution just shows me that you are a POS scum.
This is my last statement to YOU, Nativedude on this subject.
FVR,
Your the type that calls people names that don't agree with you and your way of thinking!! I may be a POS, but at least I'm not suckling on the gov't. teet and walking around with a brown nose!! I see your avatar, and I assume you are active or retired military? I respect and applaud you, and the fact that you served, but that doesn't mean that I, nor anyone else, has to bend to your way of thinking. And it certainly does not make them, nor I, a POS just because we don't!
I support the military. I have many friends that are active and retired Navy and Marines, and an uncle that is a Korean war Vet. Does not mean that I have to like or support the gov't. I am not anti gov't., just anti politics. I was a staunch republican for many years, but even that party is now a laugh-a-minute, continuous, joke!
People just continue to go along with "big brother" and let him do W.E.T.F. they (politicians) want to do. Case in point; the gas prices. That is just one example. Try to explain, how you will, but "WE THE SHEEPLE" just let 'em keep doing it. The good 'ol "BOHICA!!" (For those of you military folk, you know what this means.)
And I was not directing my "We The Sheeple" statement towards anyone on this forum.
Okay guys, no more on Politics, that's a no-no. Native-dude, I believe you when you say you're 1/8th Lakota. )Soiux, right? However that leaves you 7/8ths White-man. Funny how you cling to your claim of the smallest amount of Native-American Blood and completely ignore the rest of who you are. There are a lot of White people that have stood up for the rights of ALL tribes of Native-Americans as well as that of Blacks, Asian, Latino, etc.. You will get more accomplished with a "positive" approach than a negative one. BTW, a positive mind-set is an essential part of Survival. Wouldn't you agree?:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nativedude
Nativedude I am 1/8th earthling and 7/8 sheepdog i ain't no sheep I ain't no victim and I beleive in the constitution of the United States I think politicians beleieve that we are al to stupid to do any thing but vote I have belonged to orginazations that confront these politicians with their voting record in public but I beleive that no one on this board has any stroke with the goverment I t tok a long time for me to come to these conclusions but I am steadfast in my beleifs my views are conservative but I recognize no party. I practice conservation of rescorces as I can i put about 150 miles on my truck every 3 months and that is mostly a trip to the doctor I even have a cart to hook my canoe to my bicycle i do all right supplementing my food supply and collecting nuts and beries and a few herbs I do these things because I want to I can afford junk food and occasionaly do but prefer to waste my money on guns and knifes and such. Peace and love out . Nativedude I have to say you realy have a lot of god info so please share it.
If we alll get to meet I'm gonna scratch HOP behind the ear...he'll follow me anywhere for that...
Yes Sarge, a PMA is the #1 most important rule in a survival situation. I wasn't trying to stir the pot, I was simply voicing my opinion. :)
There are a lot of good people here, that includes FVR. It is ok to disagree, everybody does, but I don't appreciate being called names. We're all adults here. . .right? :confused:
I enjoy reading the threads, seeing how people do things differently, and have many different ideas. I enjoy learning new things as well! ;)
As I stated previously, I enjoy talking with folks of the same ilk as I. People whom love the outdoors, like living primitively (off the grid or semi-off the grid,) and others whom in spirit share the camp fire of Mother Nature.
You are all welcome to my camp fire any time!!:D
Well well... gone a couple days and looky what happens :D Okay now for my 2cents :D
Native dude if ya don't like America hike your azz on outta here, I ain't no frogg'n sheep and I live in the suburbs of Cincinnati Ohio, but I bet if I drag your azz out into the woods I'd have you cry'n in two days, FVR can hold his own and then some in the wilderness be it mountains of Ga, or Canada, or the frig'n Rockies. He's a good man, Trax I would take anywhere without a doubt. As for the rest well you know cause there is in a another thread on that. Read them and learn of the people you talk about, and as far as being 1/8 Lakota... ha haaa. So the fu*k what, try taking your 1/8 azz onto a res. and see how far that gets you. Matter of fact ask any of the Native Americans here on this site what that makes you, probably say a wannabe native. Ask my friend Medicine Wolf who lives on the Northern Cheyenne res. in Montana.
Point of fact you're an American, pay the same as us for gas, and have the same government so your in the same flock of sheep as the rest of us. Now suck on that son and go play with your sling shot.
Beo,
P.S. just my opinion and I do think you have some good input and conversations. :D
I come from a tribal people, the entire tribe is my family in the way we look out for each other and take care of each other as a whole they are my people just as an Irish American has his peole the Irish, I am a Native American (Cheyenne full blooded), and I served my country proudly and went to war for my country. Being 1/8th Lakota is nice to have in your gene pool, part of your heritage, but you are still a white man. Nothing wrong with that but you are not Native American, your American. To be Native American (although what does that mean, as I am Cheyenne and nothing more than Cheyenne) the goverment says you have to have so much Native American blood in you. Pffft, if you were born to a Native American family then you are Native American, If your mother was Native American and your Father was white, black, hispanic, asian, or whatever (or vice versa), you are half Native American and welcome to the tribe and family, anything else is not pure Native American in my tribes eyes.
But these are just how the people of my tribe view things. Being adopted is also becoming a part of my people regardless of your color. If the Lakota tribe accepts you then you are part of the tribe and that is how your people do things. Nothing wrong with any of this it stems from a culture that was here loooong before your white ancestors trod onto our lands and took what they wanted by force, when greeted friendly by the Native Americans. Just my thoughts and opinions don't mean to offend anyone, and this doesn't mean I don't love my white neighbors and brothers any less, we are all one people under God.
I'm a "Native American" too! I was born an American and the only tribe I have in my blood is Irish/German. I told my heritage to a person once and they asked me if that meant that half of me wanted to take over the world but the ever half was too drunk? :D Anyway, it's okay to "side" with "native Americans", however calling yourself one when the blood line is very minimal at best is silly. It might even be an insult. I see nothing wrong in honoring them by learning their old ways, but let's face it, 1/8th means you're a white guy. I went to an Indian "Pow-Wow" once in Colorado. My wife has some Indian blood in her veins and she wanted to go. We saw another lady there, obviously very white, trying to pass herself off as a "Native American". One of the real Native-American women came over and talked to us. She asked our heritage and I told her. When she heard that I was white she smiled and said something to me that I'll never forget. "You are very honest, and that is so refreshing. Many come here who pretend to be like us but are not." (At this point she indicated the white woman trying to pass herself off as red.) "Welcome and enjoy your visit." Still can't get the pattern of those drums and chants/songs out of my head. Had a great time. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by MedicineWolf
Hey Sarge, being born here is an American just not native (well your culture or heritage or something like that) Medicine Wolf often goes into rants like that when the subject comes up should've seen him one time a blond haired blue eyed guy said he was Cherokee (man what a battle that was, poor blondy), but your heritage is Irish American, mine too :D Actualy my family comes from Galway a port town on the western coast. They came over in mid-twenties although some came over earlier.
WOPLOCK here.LOL..........
I was asked Friday "are you a real Indian" while dressed in my buckskins at the local school. I told them no. Was asked to make the rounds K, 1st, and 2nd grades and talk about bows, arrows, fire making, clothes, and indian lore. Kids are smart now day, I even learned some stuff.
At the pow wows, rendezvous, and arts/rock shows I use to get a little grief from Cherokee young men who thought I was trying to portray them, I howeve was not. They got over it once we started to talk.
Biggest compliment I ever got was from an old Cherokee medicine man. This old silver haired man came up to me, looked at my bows and arrows, and asked me why I called my medicine bags that I had made good luck bags. I simply told him that since I am not a medicine man, not even a Native American, how can I sell medicine bags? He smiled and picked up one of my arrows. We talked, he told me that he was glad that I was keeping the tradition alive, making my wares from real sinew, turkey feather, and stone points. He then walked away.
I asked one of the young guys who he was, and was informed that he was a Cherokee medicine man. I was like WOW!
I have been studying Native American lore since I was 8 years old. It has done me well.
none of this matters.
Matters to us :p so pfffft to you...jk
Politics schmolotics, keep ranting and running your suck holes... lol... i love this banter.
Freedom of press and speach Sarge!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blah Blah Bah :D Anyway i'm 1/8th smartazz and
1/5th dontgivashee-it tribe so who cares. I have friends and relatives who are Native American (like real full blooded ones) so what, I don't say "these are my Native American friends" or "this is my Native American brother-in-law" they just are... ya know, their my friends and family.
Well, like I mentioned in a previous post, I've got some Indian ancestry, but mostly Irish and Scottish, fortunately the Canadian government in another stroke of bureaucratic brilliance labelled anyone of native ancestry as "aboriginal" so I can call myself that if I want or call myself Canadian...wow, go figure....I'm reminded of the Dakota elder a few years ago who told off some of his "warriors" that basically like FVR said, the people who keep the way of life alive are the ones that he considers his people.
I don't think any of it is terribly relevant to the forums here. I do a lot of things the "Indian way" because I prefer it, plain and simple. Anyone getting their panties in a knot, take a deep breath and remember what we logged in here for.
Man you guys can really tear it up some times and even though I half I'll never bring it up again ...but here a funny one years ago will shoveling AC I was asked if I was Nat. yes I said . He asked what tribe ? Well sometimes a guy just can not resist . MeanyHoe I said . :eek:I never meet any one from your tribe . I said all of this man are in my tribe . He never got it :mad:. ...MeanyHoe is short for a small backhoe ...O well I gush you had to be there...:D
Yes MedicineWolf the Lakota accept me as one of their own. My great-grandmother was well known amongst the Lakota. When I showed them proof of my relation to her they readily accepted me into the tribal nation. White Eagle (my elder guide,) and his son's (now my blood-brothers,) have taken me in and taught me a lot about the Native ways. White Eagle has named me "White Bear." I have been on many reservations and participated in sweat lodges, medicine rituals, buffalo hunts, and participated & taught at different Pow-Wow's & Tribal Nation gatherings. I have been on 3 seal hunts with the Inuit people in Nunavut.
As White Eagle stated to me: "Being and living as Native people do, is not only in the blood, but in the heart"
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Originally Posted by MedicineWolf
We strive to become what we dream and nativedude except for the hate part you posted you have dreamed well.
In canada, the rules are much less strict. my mother was 1/8 iroquois and my dad was german. so i guess i'm 1/16 iroquois. i can get my native rights certificat. i choose not to because i believe that it is wrong. so to sum up what i am saying, canada has very many loopholes and loose rules.
that was the most interesting discussion iv read on this sight yet. id be in america but i dont wana have 2 pay medical bills lol.
I thought we all were humans first, and the rest of how we see ourselves followed.
I love hearing people telling me all about how I oppressed them or their race. I'm from Mississippi and have a little drawl to my speech and blue eyes and some blonde hair.
My Folks came here from Ireland and the Ukrane. My grandparents did not get here untill
the 1930's. So my 'people' did not screw any one over My Ukranian side out ran the purges
and labor camps. My Irish side just wanted to live a better life. So why do I gotta hear about racisim and theft of lands. Please explain this to me.
And what ever happened to being plain old AMERICAN?