Yep......saw that coming.:D:eek::eek::D
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Yep......saw that coming.:D:eek::eek::D
Blind men everywhere are nodding in agreement and smiling, Crash.
Sorry Hoosierarcher, but it's kind of like living out in the country where there's a BIG curve in the road. In the winter it ices up a bit. All of the locals know about it and are very cautious when getting to the curve. The city folk that don't get out there too often always skid and slide when they get to the curve while the locals look on in amazement.
That's a good post, Remy. We often think about our reactions to crisis while in the comfort of our home. We don't think about the physiological changes that will take place within us under stress. I think it is one of the reasons we need to practice our Bug In and Bug Out plans, why we need to ensure we have current First Aid Training and why we need to have a thorough understanding of our equipment. The more automatic we can make our response the less likely it will be that stress will alter our response whether we are alone or with others.
One of the reasons I was so impressed with Cody Lundin's 98.6 book was that he discussed the very points you bring out. The fact that our own physiology changes as does the stress we face (extreme cold weather for example). Something I had failed to include in my own plans.
Thanks!
One aspect of leadership is, how do you deal with troublemakers?
Do you kick them out of the group the first time they make trouble? Do you shoot them the first time they make trouble? Do you have a stern talk to them and give them a warning the first time?
In a survival situation, I guess it all depends on what they did. Did they steal food, then lie about it? Do they have a generally pervasive bad attitude that they don't have to abide by the rules, or did they just get real frustrated one day and steal a piece of bread? Do they have a can-do attitude? Do they have useful skills for the group?
There's a lot of variables here and I would try to get to know the offender, not in a personal way, but try to decide if they are a plain bad apple with no hope of reforming, or if they are a good person who was having a bad day. Remember, if you are a good person with a consistently bad temper, you are not much use to the group. That's my motto anyway.
You could be the best hunter in the group, but if you have a bad temper, out you go. Because the bad feelings will spread and infect and disrupt the group as a whole, making survival that much more difficult.
I think that's why it's important to have some personality training. Then you have a better chance of identifying the personality type and know how to deal with them. Again, it's not the be all end all but another tool.
What a great question. I know what I can do on my own, but a group situation throws in so many more variables and shifts the dynamics. There have been some good posts here as well, but I wonder how many besides myself challenge themselves with this question. We did the group scenario things a few times and they kind of fell apart, but I know when I'm out in the wild I usually have one person with me only, if that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana_Musher
I am not sure that your survival behaviour can be trained. I have noticed that in crisis situations people all instinctually react differently. I remember when I worked in a restaurant a woman started choking on her food. I watched everyone around her freeze up and do nothing. I was nowhere near being the closest person to her, but I sprinted over and gave her the Heimlich manoeuvre. Why did her husband sitting next to her do nothing? Why did the waitress a few steps away say "Oh my God?" but do nothing to help?
I don't understand the mechanics, but I believe that the US military realized this trait and it is why their bootcamp is the way it is. Sure it serves to prepare new soldiers for combat, but it also serves to weed out the weak minded people who will be a danger to their brother's in arms during a real life SHTF scenario. Unfortunately even that process still cannot catch all the cowards, and people who cannot deal with stress.
Those of us who have been in stressful situations can at least be confident (hopefully) in how we will react, based on how we dealt with it in the past.
I was just referring to learning/taking the Jung - Myers-Briggs test and understanding what the different personality types are and how they relate to one another. Training was probably a poor choice of words on my part.
Remy's postings on these things would be so helpful if I could just remember all that stuff! I hope he never tells me 'this is going to be on the test' cuz I'm skipping that day :)
Hey, I print this stuff out. When TSHTF I don't want to be standing around going, "Let's see now, what was it he said..." I'll just thumb through my printouts and read it while I'm running for my life.
I'm an ENTJ Extroverted 1, Intuitive 50, Thinking 12, Judging 67. This was my write up:
ENTJs have a natural tendency to marshall and direct. This may be expressed with the charm and finesse of a world leader or with the insensitivity of a cult leader. The ENTJ requires little encouragement to make a plan. One ENTJ put it this way... "I make these little plans that really don't have any importance to anyone else, and then feel compelled to carry them out." While "compelled" may not describe ENTJs as a group, nevertheless the bent to plan creatively and to make those plans reality is a common theme for NJ types.
ENTJs are often "larger than life" in describing their projects or proposals. This ability may be expressed as salesmanship, story-telling facility or stand-up comedy. In combination with the natural propensity for filibuster, our hero can make it very difficult for the customer to decline.
TRADEMARK: -- "I'm really sorry you have to die." (I realize this is an overstatement. However, most Fs and other gentle souls usually chuckle knowingly at this description.)
ENTJs are decisive. They see what needs to be done, and frequently assign roles to their fellows. Few other types can equal their ability to remain resolute in conflict, sending the valiant (and often leading the charge) into the mouth of hell. When challenged, the ENTJ may by reflex become argumentative. Alternatively (s)he may unleash an icy gaze that serves notice: the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with.
I can "see" that in your writing even though words are one very narrow side of you.
I think the importance in knowing what I am is that I gain a better understanding of my strengths and weaknesses. The importance of knowing what you are enables me to tread lightly on those things that push your buttons and engage those things that allow us to work together. As I said, it's not the be all end all but just another tool that can be used to your advantage.
For those of you not familiar with the process, there is no "correct" personality type. You are what you are. Some will look at either write up above and say, "exactly" and some will say see, that's what I thought about the SOB. It just depends on how the personality types interact.
These the same people that make the small engines for pumps and lawnmowers and that kind of stuff, cuz they're good I'll tell ya. Oh..that's Briggs and Stratton, never mind.
And there is the crux of one of the most important aspects of survival. You must be mentally strong AND flexible to survive the stress of a huge change, i.e. when SHTF. You can teach someone physical survival skills. It is much harder, and it takes much longer, to teach bravery and perseverance. And some people will just not have either no matter how much you teach them.Quote:
Originally Posted by grundle
I think Remy mentioned that cowardice is not a weakness. I disagree. Cowardice means the person was not mentally trained to do what needs to be done under severe stress. I.e. the person is currently mentally weak. The person could receive military training, and get over his cowardice, by strengthening his mind. Just like a physically weak person could lift weights and build up his muscles.
I have my "default" or "natural" personality which is more laid back. But I have also trained myself to do things which are not naturally a part of my "default" personality. I can be upfront and "in your face" if the situation requires it. Or I can let my natural personality take over and let someone else lead. So, if I take a personality test, am I answering the questions based on what my "default" laid-back personality would be, or what my "in your face", leadership personality would show?
As you can guess, I'm kind of in a state of flux in my life right now.
Has boot camp changed? I thought it was to break you down, lose your identity, teach you to be a team player(say blanket party), give you a great haircut like everyone else and train you like a dog to obey an order and not think about why. Then hopefully you become somebody that is built back up to be one mean SOB, maybe. I remember Grandpa telling me that nobody said anything to the men that wouldn't fight or carry a rifle, just went thru the quickie training and got on the ship with everyone else. When they landed in France Grandpa said his job was to offer these men a rifle as they were marched off the ship and he laughed when he said nobody refused a rifle then. That was WWI.
I don't know, Bulrush. According to the American Heritage dictionary, cowardice is "Ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain." But who defines an act of cowardice? Is my refusal to eat slugs cowardice or my fear of holding a wolverine? KLKAK holds them. How long must I endure incoming artillery?
I think each of us has some point in which we can no longer cope and the stressor may be different for each of us. I may run at the sight of a spider. You may run at the sound of incoming rounds. I don't think I'm worthy to judge and I don't think a person's breaking point is a weakness. It's another means of survival.
Just my opinion!
you mean people don't fire the M-2 from the hip? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper
Rick, grab some plastic sheeting to get behind and I'll get the bacon. This will be to good to miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
ENFJ
Extroverted 56
Intuitive 38
Feeling 75
Judging 11
I read the thing and I ain't gonna write it all down. I see some of it and some I don't see. Interesting though.
Ok, I took the test..........I'm gonna wait till the weekend after a good nites sleep and take it again.
KLKAK - It is helpful to be sober when you take it so "rest" up.:D
Ha Ha Ha.
I took it again this morning. Here are the results. Now everyone will know.
ISTP
Introverted - 56
Sensing - 62
Thinking - 38
Perceiving - 33
Like their fellow SPs, ISTPs are fundamentally Performers (note the capital 'P' :-)), but as Ts their areas of interest tend to be mechanical rather than artistic like those of ISFPs, and unlike most ESPs they do not present an impression of constant activity. On the contrary, they lie dormant, saving their energy until a project or an adventure worthy of their time comes along--and then they launch themselves at it. The apparently frenzied state that inevitably ensues is actually much more controlled than it appears--ISTPs always seem to know what they're doing when it comes to physical or mechanical obstacles--but the whole chain of events presents a confusing and paradoxical picture to an outsider.
ISTPs are equally difficult to understand in their need for personal space, which in turn has an impact on their relationships with others. They need to be able to "spread out"--both physically and psychologically--which generally implies encroaching to some degree on others, especially if they decide that something of someone else's is going to become their next project. (They are generally quite comfortable, however, with being treated the same way they treat others--at least in this respect.) But because they need such a lot of flexibility to be as spontaneous as they feel they must be, they tend to become as inflexible as the most rigid J when someone seems to be threatening their lifestyle (although they usually respond with a classic SP rage which is yet another vivid contrast to their "dormant," impassive, detached mode). These territorial considerations are usually critical in relationships with ISTPs; communication also tends to be a key issue, since they generally express themselves non-verbally. When they do actually verbalize, ISTPs are masters of the one-liner, often showing flashes of humor in the most tense situations; this can result in their being seen as thick-skinned or tasteless.
Like most SPs, ISTPs may have trouble with rote and abstract classroom learning, which tend not to be good measures of their actual intelligence. They tend, sometimes with good reason, to be highly skeptical of its practical value, and often gravitate towards classes in industrial arts; part-time vocational/ technical programs can be useful to even the college-bound ISTP. In terms of careers, mechanics and any of the skilled trades are traditional choices, and those ISTPs with strong numerical as well mechanical gifts tend to do extremely well in most areas of engineering. Working as paramedics or firefighters can fulfill the ISTP need to live on the edge; they are at their best in a crisis, where their natural disregard for rules and authority structures allows them to focus on and tackle the emergency at hand in the most effective way.
ISTPs with more sedate careers usually take on high-risk avocations like racing, skydiving, and motorcycling. While aware of the dangers involved, they are so in touch with the physical world that they know they can get away with much smaller safety margins than other types.
Uh, do you mind? You're spread out and crowding me a bit!
Ha Ha, You very funny. Very funny Mr. Jones.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
i want to take the test but as far as i can find they all cost like 40-80$ is there somewhere you can take it free??
Hmm, how interesting...I never would have placed you as an extrovert:rolleyes: These tests are fun and have their place and can give you a vague idea of how a person might behave but are not even close to being completely accurate or all inclusive. I agree with what a lot of you guys have been saying about how the situation can and will cause a lot of those answers on that little quiz to change. The other thing about the little quiz that I took is that it didn't add up to 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
My Type is
INTJ
Introverted 11% Intuitive 12% Thinking 12% Judging 1%
Ok that is 36%?
Looks like I lost the other 64% of me. :) Maybe it is stuck in the loop in my head cause I am crazy....Crazy? I was crazy once. They stuck me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. Rats? I hate rats! They make me crazy! Crazy? I was crazy once.......:)
Rick, I'm the same. I took this test about 6 months ago, and I love the line, "I'm really sorry you have to die." :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I thought that was a great line, too. Now, if I can just find the right place to use it......:rolleyes:
What's funny is my wife and I are the same type. So, we're still not sure if that is good or bad, but so far, it's been very good!
They aren't suppose to. It tells you how far into that category you are. 0 would place you squarely between two categories and 100 would place you fully into a given category.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKS
Let's take Introvert-Extrovert for example. Scoring might be represented by:
100.....Introvert.......1....0....1......Extrovert .......100
In my case, I'm a 1 on the Extrovert scale which really means I'm not a strong extrovert and really a borderline Introvert.
In your case, Your score of 1 in the Judging category means you are very close to being a Perceiving personality.
As for your comments, I don't think anyone disagrees. Believing that Briggs-Myers is all inclusive, to me, is analogous to saying the only way to make fire is with matches.
By the way, I was in a rubber room with rats. Once I figured out the rats were crazy and thought I was a cat I organized them into a rat union and went on strike for better padding in the room. Make lemonade!
are we getting into jungian personality scale here?
Just accepting it. Becoming one with Jung.
The 100% comment I made was just a week attempt at a joke but thank you for the structured well organized response and explanation of the system. It would have been extremely helpful was I confused about the scoring of my personality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
:D:D:D So, what sort of padding did you get upgraded to? I mean, no one can resist the power of organized rats supporting a cause. Don't matter if the rats are crazy or not.:D:D:D
Holy ****!!! right on the money
Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
44 62 38 22
You are:
* moderately expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* moderately expressed thinking personality
* slightly expressed judging personality
To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.
INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.
INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability.
i'm one of those rarer of wingnuts, the intp, with a bent towards extroverting myself. i manage that with internet forums and ethnol.
Another 1%'er.Quote:
Originally Posted by canid
At least he wasn't a left hand threaded wingnut. That's like .0001%
AKS - I'm actually a little camera shy. Not as bad as the rats. They ran behind me when I sat the camera up. The new pads are just cool. Like sitting on Cool Whip. Not crazy about the color but we pick out battles around here. Right now, we're working on double servings of Extra Sharp Cheddar Cheese for the rats.
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Yep... for free. www.personalitytype.com They also advertise some books on personality. I have three of them. You don't have to buy the books but the test is free just click on the link where it says FREE QUIZ! Take the quiz and learn what type you are. Then you can go to http://www.typelogic.com/ , click on your personality type and read all about you. If it doesn't match up with your traits, then go back and re-take the test again... (honesty?) then see what you come up with. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by marcraft
That is a shorter version of the actual test... but is enough of it to be telltale.
Oh, I see there is another place to take the test too.... :D Now, if you're single... there is www.typetango.com if you're looking for a date or whatever.. :D
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S-12
F-12
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