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Originally Posted by WalkingTree
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Hmm man that runs - shieit's himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkingTree
I've had no encounters at all with a bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
And I'm never going to go looking for one either while in any kind of vulnerable camping mode. It's easy to say don't panic, don't be ruled by fear, and keep your wits about you...but when close to something as big, heavy, fast, and just plain powerful as even a small bear (or even felines or canines), being able to do so might turn out to be a different ballgame (though I have been tested in this way more than once). With an animal like that, without that big bore firearm (or, well, maybe bearspray, etc) and unless you can successfully spook it/psych it out...you are really at the mercy of the bear and what it's in the mood for. If you live, it's because it didn't decide that it wanted you. If it really wants to play, you can't hardly do anything about it.
But whenever I'm out there again, I'm still gonna be ready with my special little flash bomb sticks, spears, pre-positioned impalers, footpad piercers (whatever they should be called), crazy tribal screams and wacky dancing and confident big-posture non-defensive bear-flanking stance if necessary, maybe airhorn can etc...and a firearm and my calm wits bundled together in neat organization in my mind...only using a firearm if I don't feel pretty sure that I can get by without using it.
I seriously doubt that this lady that was recently attacked in Alaska had "blood flowing from her eyes and from wherever" but she may have asked him some rude questions about his Twitter war with Rosie O'Donnell. That will cause a brown bear to attack for sure. Ha ha ha...
Hahhahhaha! Good one TX.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXyakr
Some of my bear pictures just for fun.
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I'm not sure I'd take it as gospel that she "tried bear spray to no avail", either. Not because pepper spray is so fantastic but because the media generally has a very superficial understanding of gun issues, hunting, wilderness, etc. The article was pretty short and very sparse on details. Perhaps the woman used the spray correctly but it didn't work. However, she may have used it incorrectly, deployed after she was already being mauled, or she may not have had any to begin with. I'm not ready to accept that very spare piece totally at face value.
All that said though I would want to have pepper spray and a gun. And no way I'm gonna be jogging or mountain biking in bear country.:eek2:
I ain't clicking on that link after that statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by 1stimestar
http://www.dan-abrams.com/wp-content...cared-Face.jpg
The reason I asked was that it seemed as though you were offering advice on dealing with bears. It is probably important to preface those seemingly authoritative remarks with something like "Although I have absolutely no experience with bears....."Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkingTree
A lot of people come to this forum looking for advice. I would rather not see anybody get injured or worse from following advice that came from somebody that was trying to be helpful, but really didn't have any idea about what they were talking about. Good luck with yourQuote:
flash bomb sticks, spears, pre-positioned impalers, footpad piercers (whatever they should be called), crazy tribal screams and wacky dancing
I put more trust in the park rangers who spend a lot of time in these areas with hundreds and even thousands of brown bears. There is no mention of bleeding of any kind from a minor wound or whatever being a significant source of attacks compared to other human activities like running and having food smells near you, or an open container of food, walking up on them quietly and startling them. If you do that to a raccoon, skunk or long list of other much smaller animals it could go badly for you.
http://www.nps.gov/dena/planyourvisit/bearsafety.htm
When possible I like to ask these park rangers about some of their encounters, they have some good stories but are reluctant to tell the general public most of the time, because people misunderstand or misinterpret it.
A few good wildlife photos from Denali N.P. Alaska:
http://www.nps.gov/media/photo/galle...9D&startrow=21
BTW some Black Bears are brown and some Grizzly Bears are black, or white. The term Brown Bear is just a generic term, so is Black Bear, if a person uses the scientific terms it causes even more confusion.
Great bear video 1stimestar! I hope you can find some time to post a public trip report with some photos and possibly videos. Which river? That profile did look like a black bear, about what was your distance? Best to keep it far with an escape route! If it was hungry could have gone for your canoe of goodies, but not extremely likely if smaller black bear. Never know when an animal is sickly or injured and desperate.
+1 on that. On our trip to the Tetons and Yellowstone I contacted rangers in both locations and asked their advice. They were a wealth of information not just about protecting yourself but about locations most often encountered, times of day, etc.
I am glad she is going to make it.
Well I know nothing about bears, but I read once that a face full of buck shot is the best bear spray known to mankind!
Or will give you the satisfaction of knowing you tried once you are eaten by one very pizzed off bear.
If I get eaten by a bear I want it written on my tombstone!
Anyone can get sick and die, have a car wreck or heart attack.
But how many people have grandkids who can say "My grandpa was eaten by a bear!"
That is one of those legends that go down through countless generations. Leave them something to talk about around the table next Thanksgiving.
Yes the name of the type of bear actually has nothing to do with color. It has to do with the kind of bear it is. Their shape and temperament are different. Grizzlies are generally brown in color but can be blonde or cinnamon as well as darker black color. Up here, Grizzlies within 100 miles of the coast are called Brown bears because their diet consists of more protein in the form of salmon and are generally larger. Black bears are smaller in general then grizzlies. All of my bear pictures above are from Denali National Park as that is my stomping grounds.
Studies have proven that bear spray is more effective then guns when dealing with bears. If you ALREADY are familiar with guns, then by all mean, take one with with. But you don't want your general Joe Schmoe who has never been around weapons to start carrying one just because he is going out into the bush. The girl in the story didn't have time to effectively use her bear spray as they came around a corner right onto the bear, startling it.
TX, it was the Yukon River. Here are most of my photos and videos. I'm working on my trip report right now (and it will include the photos from my good camera) but it will take at least a week as I am back at work now.
https://vimeo.com/135768231
Kyratshooter here is a location where you will have the greatest opportunity to leave your decedents a memorable legacy:
Yellowstone Grizzly Bear Attack Victim Identified, Bear Caught
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...caught-n407471
I feel bad for the bear especially since he was probably startled then caught and stressed out even more, and did not even eat the guy.
I just want to know if that lady in Alaska was a "Pedtextrian", one of those walked in front of my vehicle the other day but I saw her texting and anticipated the behavior and stopped in time. I waved the symbol of our nation's eagle at her to show her how patriotic I was she waved back to show that she was a true American. LOL
I think that the presidential candidates should've been the participants on ALONE. Last man standing gets to be president.
I absolutely agree. Completely, with no reservations. I came here to learn myself, and have learned a lot actually without hardly trying. As far as my views on bears or anything else goes, I'm really just repeating what I've been told by people who have the actual experiences and are smarter than myself, including in here, combined with my own experiences that I HAVE had, and my common sense. One thing about me is that I'm not afraid to be wrong - no embarrassment or threat to my ego at all. Never had time for such things. And I intentionally put a lot out there so that any novice including myself can see whatever needs to be corrected or amended by you folks etc. Despite my lack of exposure to bears in particular...anything that I've said that isn't right or is a little mis-directing, I expect for it to be corrected or modified publicly (so that anyone else making the same mistake that I might be making can see and learn as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
Yes, that would be a tombstone worth having. Better than "he had cancer". (Well, until that one obnoxious guy who at the dinner table says "yea he wasn't smart enough to stay away from bears.")Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
Pretty pics star.
No, she was an experienced young woman. Just goes to show, it can happen to anyone. 'Sides, there's no cell service there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXyakr
I hate grizzly threads. Why can't I stopreading them.
You must be a grizzled old soul.Quote:
Originally Posted by madmax
"Take me home, oh muddah, faddah.
Take me home, I hate Granada.
Don't leave me out in the forest,
Where I might get eaten by a bear!"
I glad she survived, and am sure she wasn't trying to get attacked....Yet stuff happens.....picking it apart isn't gonna help her.
Might serve as a warning for others.....at least I hope so....and take all the safety steps you can.
I loved that song!
If a bear does not take you out in the mountains then perhaps the brakes on your bike. Your kids and grandkids would talk about that for awhile... great quote by person near camera mic "That guy's hurt"
Guardsman's Pass Tour of Utah 2015 Crash this August
Warning it is hard to watch!!
https://youtu.be/hRM3bFXlyNk
Turns out he lived but did not get back on another bike and keep on going. But do this solo on a mountain bike and a bear or cougar may think you look tasty, and take a little nibble.
If a wild animal seriously injures me or kills me I just hope it is not because I did something foolish and 100% avoidable. I have been injured by wild animals, mostly due to my own foolishness never because the animal was a fault.
Whatever you use on whatever wild animal (or human who truly assaults you) most hunters will tell you from experience that many weapons do not deliver a fatal injury. Especially a shotgun. The bear may go down or run away but then stand back up and take you out. If your only option is to use bear spray or firearm best bet is to then run like heck and get out of there. When I shoot an animal even a deer doe or rabbit, I run over and cut its throat as quickly as possible unless I am certain that it was a fatal shot. And then only when holding its head down with boot or knee so it will not turn and bite me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildthang
A bear if I must shoot it or spray it, I would get the heck out of there and probably not look back until I was 100-200 yards away then slow to a steady walk and not stop for at least a few miles. At a distance a 12 or 20 gage shot gun would just tick off some grizzly bears, they may?? back off some but then circle around and defend their territory with a vengeance. Not because they want to eat you but because they want you out of there. I have seen some people not wait long enough under stress and shot to soon at a non lethal distance, shotgun and handgun both.
^ That's been my reasoning as well. Shot would just piss 'em off, or make 'em want to come back at you later. Finish them off right then and there, or create a few miles worth of distance fast.
I not sure I will follow any of this advice..............Quote:
Originally Posted by TXyakr
Here is a story of a woman who did have an encounter with a bear and apparently she just did not get intellectual enough for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkingTree
http://www.castanet.net/news/Pentict...in-bear-attack
S.M.
I sure do wish ole Sourdough was still around to weigh in on this thread.
Yep, he's been gone for awhile. Has anyone heard from him as to how he is getting along?Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
S.M.
I still remember his "bear sniffing my butt" story. I'm sure it wasn't funny at the time but it sure conjures up a comical scene. Especially because it was him. I do miss him. He probably has forgotten more off grid living information than I'll ever, ever know.
He still posts some time over on Graybeard Outdoors Forum...but isn't real chatty.
That was a classic! Here it is. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...R-on-top-of-me
Last time I heard from him (several months ago) he was doing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seniorman
Article says she tried bear spray to no avail....?
He is doing well. In fact, I learned of this forum through him. He is just as sassy and ornery as ever. :gunsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seniorman
Me and Sourdough a few years ago.
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I was surfing around looking for info on bear sprays, clicked on this and that, ended up watching some vids, and I got an idea.
For people (such as myself) who haven't had any exposure or encounters personally, reading things and hearing other people only goes so far. To begin to get a real 'feel' for these animals and some kind of real familiarity helps a lot. It's good to have at least some basic idea as what can only come from personal experience, and it's good to experience the emotion involved so that a person can begin to identify those emotions and come to control them. (When riding motorcycles, I'd tell people that you need to respect the motorcycle, but don't fear it. If you fear it, you're in trouble. If you don't respect it, you're in trouble.)
So my idea was to collect some of those videos which, as much as can be done vicariously watching a video, at least begins to give a person with zero experience an idea of what it might feel like, and an idea of how these animals act and how to read them...more than written or spoken info at least - so that if a person is 'going out there' and is trying to arm themselves with some info, they at least are not completely clueless in the sense of having no real familiarity at all versus spoken or written info.
I've numbered them just in case some in here can relate what they think someone did wrong or right in each one, etc. And any info that isn't conveyed in one, or some way in which it might be misleading. (Important: I'm sure that no experience portrayed in any following vid can be taken as definitive or gospel.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMa5-n2OVc
2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWYV7bYUXcA
3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqVE9qfg7yI
4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWpleN562WE
5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNO2CUGPSl8
6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkwy0scRXBU
7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZSn1Jl7eKo
8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q16np3_RRW0
9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jRTrRxamxQ
10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PWHNIbS8cE
11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RQ9RWpt8iw
12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYf9WH6dgGI
13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvzOBrzGpYw
14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV-WlEZZMzs
15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8R9fwsEA6M
16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpNx_XXSbMA
17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U4EfY2odUc
18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbE53XUtVw0
19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJ2vY5vtpQ
I practice using bear spray all the time. Anyone can. Go to the zoo. Get close to the cage then give the polar bear a spray. I've been practicing for a while now. Funny, now when they see me coming they try to climb over the back wall. I'm gonna have to start tossing a kid or something in there to get them back over to the bars. Bear spray works.
Planning a trip next summer of 7 days hiking in the Rockies with a friend. We got the all clear from the wives so the hard part is done. We had talked about the grizzly bear population in the area and have decided on bear spray. A rifle is just too much weight to carry and a side arm is out of the question. We have also toyed with the idea of electrical bear fencing for our camp area. Cost isn't a factor but weight is. We are looking into the cost of hiring a float plane out of Golden B.C. to fly us in to a remote lake. If this is the route we go, bear fencing and a rifle are an option, but if we hike in, the bear spray will have to do!
Thats awesome lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick