do you have a stevens visible loader?
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do you have a stevens visible loader?
one thing about a few grains of unique, it seems it wouldn't foul as bad as BP would.
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ht=stevens+.22Quote:
Originally Posted by randyt
The details are in this post.
J.Stevens .22lr pump action Model 70 pat. 30-07. it is 22" including the chamber. I think it is pretty old maybe 1930's.
Reworking a .22 rim fire to strike a percussion cap in the center of a chamber would be near impossible for the average home craftsman.
Not really worth the effort.
Building an inline ML is not difficult and I have seen them built with only 2 moving parts. That "bubble packed" inline of Hunters only has 4-5 moving parts. But building any firearm requires planning and skill.
As for the .32 muzzleloaders, I don't want to rub it in, but building your own for 20 years does have it's advantages. This is one I reworked about 10 years ago.
http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/...ps148be696.jpg
Lol! An Autocad Model would make quick work of hitting center! Everyday of the week and laser cutting the new hammer would take all of 30 seconds.
that's what some call a visible loader. I have one like it but the pins and such are wore out to the point it doesn't function very well. I use it for a wall hanger.Quote:
Originally Posted by COWBOYSURVIVAL
Sorry, but most of us do not have an autocad and/or laser or plasma cutter sitting out in the workshop!Quote:
Originally Posted by COWBOYSURVIVAL
As we have often said here, you can turn anything into anything you want if you are willing to spend enough money.
Mines a wall hanger too, functions perfectly except for the chamber. I can't stand seeing it sit, beautiful stock and forearm. Even has a brass plate on the butt!Quote:
Originally Posted by randyt
Been thinking of that too, it would be fairly easy to build a 22 inline by just using a nipple for a #11 cap as a breech plug. Would also be real easy to build a 22 flintlock by tapping the breech and just screwing a section of bolt in it to plug it up and then drill a touch hole in the side of the barrel. But I like the idea of using a nipple and doing it all inline.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
Speak for yourself, humon.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
In seriousness though, it's not just money. A diy approach can shave an amazing amount off of the cost of many projects, and CNC equipment is a great example. The downside is of course the investment in time, which is often more profitably traded for money.
Back in previous life I had access to a complete machine shop......was nice when building race cars.......
BTW I don't know if I would want to use a #11 nipple as a breach plug....
Even in-lines with breach plugs using 209 primers get a lot of blow back.......that need to be cleaned after firing.
I don't think it would matter much with the small charges I would be using - maybe 5 grains max pushing a 22 caliber air rifle pellet !Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Might be right........Let me know how it turns out.........LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Lamewolf
Yeah right - if I ever get off my duff and build the dang thing !:yawnb:Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
I still gonna look for a 32 muzzle loader.......
Y'all can mess with the cutting, threading and machining.......
Last .22lc I bought was the H&R Sportster....(Like a Handi rifle, but for rim fire).......added the .22 mag and .17 HMR barrels.....shooting the .17 quite a bit
"Back in the day" (we're talking the 1970s-80s) CVA made one of the first of the inline rifles. It was not like the inlines we have today. It was called the Blazer and it had a hammer striking a #11 nipple screwed into the back of the breech plug, right there by your nose. It was available in .45 and 50 calibers and used full charges of BP.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
They sold for $49.95.
I owned several of them and was very disappointed when they were discontinued.
They had TWO moving arts, the hammer and trigger powered by a coil spring.
https://www.google.com/search?q=old+...72%3B639%3B426
If I decide to undertake this .22 inline idea. I would suppose the trigger spring would likely need to be heavier than what is used for rimfire?Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
Why would the trigger spring need to be heavier ? Maybe the hammer spring, but not the trigger spring. But I'm still thinking of a 22 underhammer where the trigger spring also doubles as the hammer spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by COWBOYSURVIVAL
Under hammer would be an in-line...or at least I can visualize that
This thread made me wonder if there are any .32 pistol caliber rifles around?.....like a straight walled rimmed case .32 S&W or .32 mag.
I would think these coupe be loaded with BP or Pyrodex lead bullet.
Only reason this pops in to mind is the Ruger Old Army.....45 cal BP cap and ball/conical bullet....has replacement chambers available that have basically a back cover that has 6 "firing pins" to fire a .45lc cased round.
Now as these are straight walled cases, they are re-loaded with BP or Pyrodex for BP/Cowboys shoots........
Thinking out load as to the same process for a .32 round.
No, an underhammer has the nipple at 90 degrees to the barrel and on the bottom of the barrel. The trigger guard is also the mainspring to drive the hammer with the hammer in front of the trigger guard. Google under hmammer rifle, I'm sure there are plenty of pictures, and one name for them was a "buggy rifle".Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
I am familiar with the Hopkins and Allen rifles....and shot a few......but was confused when we were talking in-line.
All good, just cleared it up.....thanks.
When dealing with these off the wall ideas we also need to think outside the box on the rifles we use to shoot them. Imagine this design as the ignition for an in-line percussion ML and not just as an antique .22 rifle curiosity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=groXjMNUgrA
There was another option.....CVA Electronic ignition....uses 9 volt battery
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/44063
I've been thinking about converting one of my destroyer carbines to 7.62x25 but it seems 7.62x25 isn't as plentiful as it once was. On the other hand 9mm largo is a reloading proposition so 7.62x25 might just as well be too. So many decisions LOL.
Well, there ya go....made me go look up another one.....Sure you want to change/hack up an old collector edition?Quote:
Originally Posted by randyt
Well I have a couple, a nice one and a beater. Had three but a kid wanted one to play with but he arrived late on the surplus scene so I helped out. The beater could be converted with out much pain.
Your 9mm Destroyer will shoot .38 Super auto. It is actually identical to the .38 colt auto, the original Browning full sized auto-pistol round.
You can reload it using .38spl dies and do not even have to buy .38 auto dies.
At least with the 9mm Largo/Super there is a source for cases. With the 7.62x25 you would have to form your own and the RCBS forming die set cost $200.
If you ever want to sell one of those carbines let me know!
I'll keep that in mind Krat, generally I almost never sell or trade a gun but sometimes. I have a coffee can of 9mm largo starline brass but was thinking the 7.62x25 would be a whiz. I thought that 7.62x25 was available from Winchester, S&B and possibly starline. Didn't realize it needed to be formed from a parent case.
7.62x25 is SUPPOSED to be available from every major mfg, just like .22lr !!! LOL
Some day it may be again, but I am 64 and have no hope of living that long.
Maybe we should get a wood frame/display case.......case up our favorite .22 and a box of 50 rds for something to show the grandkids.....
it will probably be like the .25 rimfire, just a little handful. or like any of the old rimfire or for that matter pinfire. rare beast indeed.
here a link to starline brass, perhaps if I go to order it it will be out of stock but currently it claims it's in stock. I have a cz-52 maybe I'll order a thousand. the nice thing about a destroyer carbine is it will be easier to find the brass, those semi autos throw brass all over creation.
https://www.starlinebrass.com/order-...liber/7.62x25/
What about the 5.7 round? It is center fire and should be a light enough bullet weight for small game. I am just throwing it in the mix for ideas on this thread.
-Sam
Another thought for this thread - a 32 short or 32acp in a rifle or carbine, small, light projectile and reloadable !
I'm surprised the hornet and Bee have t been mentioned....
CW
We did mention the Hornet, and the Bee is just another of the necked down .22 centerfires of the 1950-60 era and falls in the same general category as all the other reduced loads in .222/.223/.224/22-250........Quote:
Originally Posted by cwlongshot
I suppose we are now at the point where folks are jumping in and commenting without reading the entire thread.
That happens.
We have not had much discussion of the caliber reducing inserts for the .32.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamewolf
I have not found them very accurate from their full rifle host guns but they are another option.
I have one each in 30-06/.308/.303 brit/7.62x54R.
Mine will fire .32acp/.32 Colt/.32 S&W and .32 H&R mag
Only they will not fire them well enough to feed me!
http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm
A friend of mine made me a 32 acp adapter for my old 410 single shot. It has a 6 inch rifled section and shoots pretty darn good for what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
I stand corrected.. Randy did "mention it" on post 21. No one picked up on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
I "jumped in" at post #6. :) ;) I have read whats here.
The topic is alternatives to 22LR... My knowing what the Bee and Hornet is/are, is why I mentioned it. :) When loading "down" a larger caliber its easiest done with the smallest powder capacity. Something both the Hornet and Bee have in spades over the 222, 222M, 223, 225, 22/250 and 220 offer.
The thread has taken a turn to BP as a alternative, and in a "survival" alternative feel its logical and better alternative as compared to metallic reloading.
CW