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Hey Wildgoth, I like the shiny gun and everything. But if it takes 500 rounds to kill a deer, one might have more serious problems. :)
trax no offence yuor a good guy.
Glad to help sir :D
I guess if you don't like the answer, you shouldn't ask the question.
Pyrex - Enjoy the world of banned. We don't accept that type of posts. Personal attacks and name calling will get you banned. But then, you found that out.
dang rick that was fast I read it responded and went back and poff you da man
I PM'd him and gave him a 10 day warning and he still didn't stop. So. bannsville.
It's not that tough. Calling folks names isn't necessary.
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Originally Posted by Assassin Pilot
I hunt in michigan, michigan white tail deer. Im thinking of trying some mule deer down here in texas but 40 acres of private, family owned land that we bait every year is hard to pass up.
Ive hunted 16 seasons.
Sound travels about 1100fps, a lot faster then an arrow. The instant the sound of the bow is processed from an alert deer it will usually drop and charge its muscles to spring. At 25-30 yards It can easily take .5 second, even longer depending on your pull and weight of arrows, for the arrow to reach its target. In my experience I have seen it happen more times then not and it's happened to everyone I know who bow hunts. I'll even go as far to say that a lot of folks will take that into consideration and compensate as it's pretty normal for it to happen outside of 15 yards.
-JRJ
I have seen it happen a few times myself
yeah; deer often start at the sound of the bow's release, and more over, they can easily start at the movements of the hunter as he's preparing to release, slow enough for the deer to hear and react but too fast for the hunter to realize the shot is bad. shot ethics only go so far, and that's only as far as even the best of hunters can react.
What?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!! Guns kill prey too fast? What kinda crap is that? Why make them suffer? Blow their butts away and get it over with. I can appreciate the "art and skill" of bowhunting, but I am not a fan or advocate of bowhunting because too many animals are injured and run off to neve be found by the hunter. Heck why not just from a tree with your hand axe and chop them up?? Get a gun dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqualiteking
Can I get that in my patrol vehicle please?Quote:
Originally Posted by WildGoth
what are tax dollars for, eh.
I agree wholeheartedly. Fellow republican?? HAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by canid
use what you know. the best caliber and gun make or gun vs bow will be debated for generations to come but the common that most agree on is to practice often and hunt with what you practice with. i've used a 7mm mag since high school and though i now have several calibers that i love to shoot, when it comes time to put meat on the table, out comes the old 7mm.
Ya'll must shoot some loud bows. Mine are just so quiet that the deer never hear the release.
Now, they do hear the freak'n arrow hitting saplings.
As far as trailing a deer, good shot, don't need to track far. Just like with a rifle, accuracy is paramount.
[QUOTE=trax;38311]I agree... just like that legendary warrior, John Rambo, once said... the best weapon is your mind...Quote:
Originally Posted by BraggSurvivor
Seriously... with the proper training, practice, and "pre-meditated contemplation of thought processes" ( hey, even I don't know what that means! -LOL) involving survival, you can pretty much take any situation and survive.
An example... by using the brain that God gave most of us, you can learn to stalk, disappear, find shelter, obtain food, dazzle your less mentally equipped survival buddies, and so much more!
And, in addition to carrying the weapon that you have in your head (just don't forget it at home), as mentioned above... the weapon that you have with you is the best one to have. So, anytime you leave the house - most especially when going on vacation, going, camping, hiking, hunting, whatever - have access to the weapon(s) that you may need.
Pretty much, a 12g. shotgun - with a variety of loads; a rifle - with at least 20 rounds extra; and, a handgun - with at least 50 rounds available - will take care of pretty much any "normal" situation that you may run across. At least, until you have time to get back and restock.
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Originally Posted by WildGoth
No thanks; too much meat loss.
As to bows/arrows, muzzleloaders; well, they are all fine hunting tools and well capable of humanely taking even the very largest and toughest of animals. However, such weapons are used in today's world primarily to "up the ante" of the hunt. They require more skill and much more stealth to use and thus challenge the hunter more. They are about getting closer to nature, not (more) efficient killing.
If you're looking for the most efficient killing tool and/or you plain need to put meat on the table to keep yourself and/or your family from starving, then a firearm (likely a high powered rifle) is going to be the weapon of choice.
A gun is so much easier to kill a deer with than a bow that it hardly needs mentioning. If you need or want to kill a deer more quickly and easily use a gun. If you want a challenge use a bow. There are skilled hunters who use either one or both. Some people think everyone should do as they do and use the same weapon and everything else right down to the socks they wear. Deer occasionally duck and the arrow goes above them or once in a while they twist to turn where they came from and the arrow goes in front of their chest. It always pays to silence your bow, but it still can happen. It happens much less with compounds at close yardage. But, I prefer more primitive equipment. Tracking is just part of bow hunting. It's best to have patience and wait a couple hours. Exceptions are if you feel it was a lung shot and the deer bolts hard and you hear the typical sound of crashing against trees. A well hit deer almost always runs hard. But, I have seen lung shot deer stand still for a few seconds before they realize they were hit, then bolt hard. I've seen them stand still and finally fall over or bound once and fall over, but these things are very rare. If you know the arrow is in the leg, you should chase and push the deer because leg shots often close up and heal. A gut shot usually has the hollow sound of an arrow going through a pumpkin and you should wait at least four hours....I'll wait all night if the weather is clear. If the arrow passes completely through or you find it and the fletch is filled with blood with no tallow and you thought it was a chest shot, then you have a good sign of a good shot. If the arrow has tallow your percentage is lowered. It the fletch is without blood you should pick the arrow up and smell it. If it smells like guts, then the only chance you may have is waiting a long time and hope the deer will lay down soon and die. There are other things about trailing deer also. I think there is a better understanding and a greater respect for an animal when you are close to them and hunt them. If I come up on an animal still alive when I come to him, I respect him, I thank god for the meat and grab a big stick and hit him in the head. You better give him more than a love tap.
How is chasing him and pushing him hard or bashing him in the head having respect for the animal? A quick kill would be respecting the animal.
I think there is a better understanding and a greater respect for an animal when you are close to them and hunt them. If I come up on an animal still alive when I come to him, I respect him, I thank god for the meat and grab a big stick and hit him in the head.
That's just way too much for me to comprehend apparently. LMAO
If, after tracking the animal, you find you've actually been walking in circles and tracking yourself, grab a big stick and bash yourself in the head. It'd be the right thing to do.
http://joshreads.com/images/07/sct/harold.jpg
Save yourself the headache and get yourself a compass!!!
I haven't been able to afford the ideal survival weapon of my choice but when I can it will be a Thomson Contender .410/45 Long Colt. Though it be a single shot, you can take both small and large game with it. An excellent choice for an all around survival weapon. If you're not familiar with the Thomson Contender go to the thomson Center Arms website and see what I'm talking about.
Might be a savage 24 in .22lr/20ga?
a high calliber semi auto rifle with at least 20 round magazine
Puukko. Is a weapon, can be used to make more weapons and is perfect in every aspect.
(But of course I wouldn't say no to a Sako TRG 42:
http://www.sako.fi/images/trg/trg42.jpg
or a Tikka T3 Hunter
http://www.tikka.fi/images/rifles/hunter/hunter.gif
I agree. I have .22 CB, .22 LR , 20 gauge shot and 20 gauge slugs for my Camper. Have one slug, 7 CB and 5 LR in the butt stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsitenha
You know, since the original question was "what's the best weapon of the forest?" I'm finding this thread has really shown a lack of imagination with almost everyone limiting themselves to bows or firearms. :innocent:
Good point... going by the strict interpretation of the original question:Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
"what's the best weapon of the forest?"
I'd have to say a knife with an obsidian blade, or some other kind of knife made from a rock.
With a knife, you can fashion weapons, make shelters, skin game, etc...
to me, the knife is arguably the most important "weapon of the forest" to have... a close 2nd, and possibly replacing the "primitive knife" as the most important, is the ability to make fire. You can use fire to do many things besides cook and stay warm... I can't really think of any other "more important" weapon... (other than, of course, your brain... that's a given).
Well - if you want to go by the "intent" of the original poster - who was just here to cause trouble (notice the little "Banned" under his screen name) I'd use Napalm. It'll kill a forest pretty quick.
I use a T/C renegade muzzle loader for my rifle. I prefer blackpowder though i have many rifles to choose from. I just got a 1847 Colt dragoon last week and will be carrying it on my waist for back up along with a 1860 colt, both made by Uberti. Love the black powder hand canons.
if we are talking forest destruction, then i have a 6-yr-old son...
Dead tree limbs. The forest is pretty good about bombing you with those. Vines are pretty good, too. They can really trip you up. Get it? vines? trip you up?
Why is it most people think they need a big bore rifle to hunt with in a survival situation??? If you kill a 190 lb. (dressed out weight) white tail, with no means of refridgeration, what are you going to do with all that meat?? Do you have the time or the talent to jerk it? Where as a bunny, wood grouse, or squirrel is just the right size for 1 or 2 people to munch on. Both .410 and .45 long colt and not cheap nor as readily available as .22 lr or 12 ga. shells. Just something to think about.Quote:
Originally Posted by minuteman
Good point... going by the strict interpretation of the original question:
"what's the best weapon of the forest?"
I'd have to say a knife with an obsidian blade, or some other kind of knife made from a rock.
With a knife, you can fashion weapons, make shelters, skin game, etc...
to me, the knife is arguably the most important "weapon of the forest" to have... a close 2nd, and possibly replacing the "primitive knife" as the most important, is the ability to make fire. You can use fire to do many things besides cook and stay warm... I can't really think of any other "more important" weapon... (other than, of course, your brain... that's a given).
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I have always thought of a knife as a tool first and foremost. Of course with this tool, I can make many other weapons!
For me the best weapon of the forest is me, or rather my mind, my brain. Keep a cool head, pay attention to your surroundings, expect the unexpected.
Well, for me it would be LaughingBeetle. She keeps a cool head, pays attention to her surroundings and expects the unexpected. AND...she likes coffee. What more would I need?
That, and she can hit somebody between the eyes with a knife. Yep, I'm taking Laughing Beetle.