Especially during bigfoot's rut. Hahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert Rat!
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Especially during bigfoot's rut. Hahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert Rat!
Do you really suggest this as an anti-natural predator defense? Or, are you saying it's a last ditch budget defense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddmott
A blade is a great weapon. Most knives will do the job. A specialized fighting knife (stabber knife) is far better suited. IMO.
Here's why.
Leverage. With a 9 inch blade, you have a 100-200 lb (puma/cougar) force that commands the first 1/3 of the object that you hold 1/3 of. The "saw" on the back of that knife will ensure that your wrist and forearm fight the body of 100 lbs of wild animal.
If you are forced to carry a knife specifically purposed for defense; they make those.
Look for a Fairbain -sykes type knife if that is the knife's purpose. A fighting knife is far smaller than a handgun, and WITH TRAINING, is quite lethal against most anything.
ETA- Hog knives of the American SE are designed to kill a violent animal. Here's one.
http://216.38.63.83/images/products/22358.jpg
You are correct that the handle has to be impossible to let go of and provide a super strong grip and retention. It's part of that 1/3rd crap I was talking about.
A killing knife, as you alluded to, is a viable consideration for wild animal defense if you are not allowed to have guns. It's cheaper than moving to another state.
I've said before that my brain works differently than most but I'm thinking if I have 1/3 of the blade in a large animal that is now really, really, really ticked off, up close and personal, like my face in its mouth and its claws wrapped all the way around me. That is not the time to yell KINGS! It might even been less painful to turn the knife on myself and save the animal some work.
People routinely dispatch wild boar with knives Rick. To each their own I reckon.
Winter, i don't disagree with anything you said really. Except that the sawback of that blade doesn't stick at all... i've pulled it out of pork and venison carcasses with no issue, and without any adrenaline pumping.
For sure, a specialized blade will always perform better in a specific task. But i don't think most of us are looking to go out on a hike or photography excursion carrying 30lbs of pocket knife, filleting knife, skinning knife, gutting knife, utility knife, survival knife, wilderness defense knife and a wood splitting/foliage chopping knife; just to ensure we always have the perfect blade for any situation.
So yeah, the bushmaster is just a good budget "do-all".
Now THAT had to be wild.....how big of a knife does one need to dispatch a hump back whale.....Of course they can't run very fast.....Great addition to the mountain lions, and bears.....LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Winter
You wiggle 6"-8" of sharp steel around inside a critters guts in 2 or three places and see how fast the fight goes out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
When i was a journalism student, one of my court assignments exposed me to a video of an inmate knifing another, much larger inmate in a scuffle. The knife was made out of a plastic margarine container cut up, layered and melt-hardened. The "blade" was only 4.5" long, but the stabber just plunged it in and wiggled it around 3 different times and the bigger 280lbs-ish guy just kinda slumped and fell, in less than a minute.
I'd say that's pretty comparable to a cougar or timberwolf, etc. Maybe not a 600lbs bear... but thankfully where I frequent only "dump bears" get that large and they - so far - haven't been hungry/angry enough to bother anyone.
True, but I was under the impression they did so with the assistance of canines to pin the animal. I've killed several feral pigs and all of them with a firearm. If you've never witnessed the power of a wild boar crashing through the brush, they're not to be taken lightly. They are incredibly fast and potentially very dangerous beasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winter
All of that may be true but I'm still having trouble with the "my face in its mouth and its claws wrapped all the way around me" part. I'm sure he's not standing still while I jiggle that knife around. Of course if he's busy chewing my face off and ripping me to shreds he'll hold still long enough for me to jiggle it.
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Originally Posted by Winter
Perhaps but they are better men than me, Gunga Din.
Line from the Jeremiah Johnson, (book) when Grizz runs a bear in to the cabin.....Jeremiah stuck the grizz with his knife, and climbed a tree....
Grizz....."Right smart leaving that knife in'em, helps to bleed him out......"
JJ......."Tewrn't time to pull it out...."
Can't see me ever affording to adventure travel anywhere I'd have to worry about Grizzly or Polar bears... but if i do, maybe i'll swap out the knife for a cyanide capsule.
....always follow the advice of a old hunter I once knew........."Always save 3 shells....2 for the bears, and one for yourself"
That reminds me of an article I read years ago about knife fightng in a knife magazine. It was a quote taken from an old interview many years ago with a man who had been involved in such "activities.". The man was asked what happened in a knife fight and how he survived as long as he did?Quote:
ODDMOTT -" ... You wiggle 6"-8" of sharp steel around inside a critters guts in 2 or three places and see how fast the fight goes out of them. ..."
The man answered, "Well, when they got to walkin' on their guts, the fight was over."
That man was Rezin Bowie, designer of the Bowie knife and brother of Jim Bowie.
Seems to me that would be the case even today, man or beast. :laugh:
S.M.
Man where is Blade when we really need him. I bet he could spin some yarn on this one:smartass:Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Some guy on the hiking trail Facebook page posted this in response to my question on bringing a gun on the hike.
Fredric L. Rice If someone is such a pants-****ting coward they think they need a gun "to protect themselves" in the outdoors, they should stay the **** at home, they have no business being out in the woods. Right wing NRA ****bags already infest the cities below, the ****ing insane violent assholes can bloody well stay the **** out of the woods among normal, sane, peaceful people.
Along with countless others and antigun BS. Should have realized backpackers are mostly stinky hippy *****es.
God I hope I don't run into these idiots on the trail. The more I experience hippys the more I hate them. They are the least open minded people, and seem to all be extremely rude.
Sorry Mr. rich parents college kids, you're the man, way cool, my bad. I worship you. You hiked a trail with $2,000.00 worth of gear and solar charges for your iPads. My heros.
I hope a huge mountain lion pounces on him and chews off his family jewels:angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyRhoads
Don't fret....his mommy won't let him have one anyway.......Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyRhoads
Man, the insanity. It was ALMOST unanimous. "Why in the world would you need a GUN? Are you serious? What a psycho. What kind of person would even think of a GUN on this hike. People like you ruin this and are the reason people get hurt. You'd probably end up shooting yourself or mistaking one of us for a bear."Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildthang
2 or 3 stepped in and replied in my favor as how left the backpacking community is and "good luck" with them.
I even posted another thing about being able to fish and catch something and someone said "Yeah but you can't shoot them".
Seriously let it go hippys.....
Another suggested I get banned. SERIOUSLY? I got called a pants ****ting coward that is a psycho gun toting killer by mass amounts of people and I called someone Jane Fonda and said unbunch your ultralight panties. Clearly I was out of line.
No what seriously shocked me about that guy is he looks to be a 50-60 year old forestry or CalFire guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
You will never be able to reason with those pampered, smug, holier-then-thou left wing bliss ninnies. You're wasting your time trying.
Just do what you want on the trail, so long as it is legal, and let those naive little children-in-mind congratulate themselves on how morally and intellectually superior they are over the worker peasant riff raff who should be barred from the hiking trails.
Have fun on your trip.
S.M.
It never ceases to amaze me how many worker peasant riff raff there are out there. They are everywhere! How is a pampered, smug, holier-than-thou bliss ninnie like me supposed to put up with all of them?! You don't need that gun on the trail by the way.
What ya need is a picture of rick in his hong, That is guaranteed to incapacitate anything usually with laughter or uncontrollable vomiting, either way it affords you a get away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Yeah those are the kind of people that would run and hide when the SHTF and wouldn't bother to stop and help you if you were hanging upside down from a railroad bridge with your foot stuck between the ties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seniorman
Those are the kind that would perish as soon as times got bad because they are too cowardly to fight for what they beleive in. Their idea of fighting is flaming people on the internet:angry:
What, did you post on White Blaze or something? And you thought we flame newbies here.
Sowaht do all those hippies carry for the "Best Hippie knife"?
Once they go blind, you won't have anything to worry about. It doesn't work on mountain lions, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by welderguy
One thing I like about my Kbar is it is easy to attach to the ridgeline of my hammock. I normally do not hike without a firearm (much of my hiking is during hunting season or scouting though). If I had to just have my Kbar, I would not feel defenseless. I don't really like not having ranged weapons though.
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Originally Posted by hunter63
Depends on the Hippie. There are many who think anything larger than this......
http://www.rocketsupply.net/wp-conte...de-150x150.jpg is too much.
But those are the fanatics.
Many like the moras. In fact Ray Jardine even has a mora kit he sells that you can make your own handle and sheath and everything.
SAK's are popular as well. Different mentality.
Just like in any other endevour, you get people who think "If you aren't doing it the way I do it, you are wrong".
I don't carry a gun in the woods. Of course, this mostly because I don't have a gun to carry. I have a rifle, and a shotgun, and a 22lr. But so far, food for my family, and all the other expenses kids bring has prevented me from a handgun. If anyone wants to donate me a handgun........ The only time I thought I needed one, was when I heard a fox scream in the middle of the night, and I didn't know what it was, and didn't have my dog or bear spray with me.
I didn't get the humor in this? OR maybe I did and it just wasn't funny?? Maybe i'm just slow....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
JMT Facebook page.Quote:
Originally Posted by finallyME
Probably slow. But I'm just guessing there.
Break it down for me brainiac. :fisticuffs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I...R...O...N...Y... - The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
Oh, then yeah it just wasn't funny. :no:
Sadly, some folks are born without a funny bone. It's an unfortunate abnormality. The term humor derives from the humoural medicine of the ancient Greeks, which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humours control human health and emotion. Please be extremely cautious. With your lack of humours you might find yourself on a forum when you get beat up by hippies. Hey, it happens.
I guess the hippies are a different breed these days.......used to be those Yankee long haired hippie freaks, partaking in forage and high sprits, flowers in their hair, free love and a not a care in the world attitude, Man.....'Couse that was a while back.....Man
Wish I remembered more of it, they tell me it was fun....Far out, Man......Peace, bro......
Free love.....still thinkin' of Ruth aren't you?
Far out....Maaaaan.....
Show me one hippy that could take me, I challenge you....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Um, okay. That one over there.
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thin...=l&tid=6285124
I'd think any hippie chic.
You set yourself up for that.