i remember before this forum went to ****..... sigh those were the days.....
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i remember before this forum went to ****..... sigh those were the days.....
And posts like that simply serve to exacerbate the issue if it exists. Funny thing is, most of those who complain typically don't take any action to alleviate the situation. They only complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcraft
Marcraft, I just visited your homepage. OOOOOOOOKAY! So much better than the forum. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by marcraft
http://www.marcraft.piczo.com/
that thing hasnt been visited by me in over a year lol
Get yourself a .375 H&H mag, it is a truly great all around calibre and it will serve you much better than the .270's and such that some others have recommended. If you want to knock down a moose at 200 yards get the right tool for the job- the .375 is that rifle
From what I understand you would want a 270 with the best scope you can afford. My reasoning for the 270 is hand loading. You can load it for mice to moose, IMHO probably the most adaptable especially if you roll your own.
IMHO I would recommend either a Remington 700 .308 or AR10 .308. I know im a big .308fan but I cant help it. The round is easy to get and packs enough punch for your money. There is not much in this world that a 175grain .308 hollow point cant take down.
BTW if you are worried about exit wounds being to big and wasting meat then all I have to say is that is why we have head shots
I don't know about moose in your area (unless you are in northern NH) but oftimes you can walk up and just about spit on them. A large number are quite fearless of anything in the woods. Makes for good sales on state moose hunting permits - imagine the stories told by flatlanders who bag a moose and bring it back to the city complete with tall tales from the mighty hunters!Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
Flatlanders? I've only heard Wisconsin folks say that about Illinois folks. Along with FISH or FIB. Actually, Cook County folks since Southern Illinois is nowhere near flat.
Thats pretty funny...now that you mention it- I've had more moose move towards me than run from me. However, in montana we have a very limited moose hunting season- so they don't seem to view us as dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertRogers
I'll be the first to tell you that I am not an "expert". All I can tell you is what rifle/caliber/scope I fire and my capabilities with it. You may not be able to as well and then again you might be able to do better. I have a Savage model 11... in 30-06 topped with a shepherd scope. I don't do competition so the shepherd works well for me. My longest distance target practice I shot five 5" groups at 600 yards with 165grain core lokts. Supposedly if you can get the scope and ammo to match up, this combo is accurate within 1 minute of angle out to 1,000 yards. Couldn't tell you for sure cause I never had the opportunity to get that far from a target. Yes this is loud and it will hurt your shoulder if you fire it a lot but that is why they invented ear plugs, shoulder pads and/or smaller calibers to practice with. I had one hunting trip with this set up where the caribou were not cooperating so I put some meat in the freezer with 1 shot from 400 yards. I was comfortable doing this due to the long(er) range practice I had been doing and a very steady rest. I do prefer closer shots, much, much closer shots. Just remember, don't fire unless you have a good shot, don't fire at an animal further away than the furthest target you can hit consistently and if it doesn't feel right or you are not comfortable with the shot don't take it. Also, I have taken several moose out to 200 yards with this rifle and 180 grain core lokts.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcraft
:rolleyes:Checked out your website and it ain't my style. I guess the rubber band gun would work best for you. If you can drive just go down any back road at night and you will probably score you a moose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
My dad has a .375 winchester. I am amazed at how light it is, it is simply an amazing gun. I was wondering if it is too much gun for deer hunting?
No....................Quote:
Originally Posted by grundle
OK....time to drop my 02 in the pot:
For the money, the Savage is the best out of the box value rifle on the market today. Hands down. They are sub MOA guns with adjustable triggers so as long as you do your part, you shouldn't have any problems with accuracy. The law enforcement models with the heavier barrels would be my recommendation. The only problem with Savage, if you choose to look at it as a problem, is upgrades and aftermarket accessories are pretty slim. If you're one that doesn't tinker with a gun, then the Savage is just right for you.
The Remington 700 series of rifles are good, solid performers, and they cost a little more. Theres no limit to what you can do on a 700 action. The 700 is to bolt guns what the 1911 is to pistols. Everyone offers either custom works or custom parts. So if you want to tweak, theres no problem with upgrading.
Rings, mounts, and scopes make and break long distance shooters. Badger Ordinance has some of the best rings/mounts I have ever encountered. Leupold does solid, dependable optics. The glass may not be as good as some, but the internals won't let you down. They are as rugged as they come.
Stay away from foriegn scopes. A lot of them are calibrated to the metric system. If you are shooting standard formulas, but your come ups are metric, your shot will be off. Make sure your turrets are 1/4 MOA turrets. 1 & 1/2 MOA turrets are too coarse and 1/8 MOA turrets are too fine.
On to the caliber. There is no game in North America that cannot be taken by a 308 with the proper shot placement and proper distance to the target. Its cost effective, has enough power, and theres so much ballistic data that you can't go wrong. It is a round that has been studied, refined and perfected. It may not be as flashy as a 300 or 338....but it will get the job done.
My final advice is to train. If you want to hit targets at any distance, much less at long range, you have to train. The secret to long range shooting is consistancy. You have to do the same thing, the same way, every time. If you don't have the dedication to do it right, then you're just wasting your money and time.
That is a very good post monstermash.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMash
Marcraft, a 30 caliber rifle of some sort is going to be your best bet. As you can see a lot of people love the 308 or the 30-06 because they are common, proven, versatile rounds. Give this a lot of thought and buy what you feel is the best choice for you then get out there and practice, practice, practice. If you can't be consistent with cheek weld, trigger pull and the rest of it then it doesn't matter what your rifle and caliber are capable of...you still wont be able to hit anything at any distance.
Thank you AKS.
One more thing I would like to point out is this: The 308 loses a lot of oomph after 800 yards. Yes, you *can* make hits out past 1000 with it, but you'll be lobbing it in like an artillery shell. A 30-06 gives you just as much accuracy, with a little more bang for your buck. The extra powder in the 06 translates to a longer effective range. Both of them are readily available in terms of supply and ballistic data.
What are you going to be shooting that is 800 to 1000 yards away? Unless you are a military sniper.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMash
He is not old enough to have a firearm. I galls me that so much effort goes into this thread. People really want to help, but it is a ma****bation.
Has anyone owned the Ruger M77RSI Mark II-International in .308? This is another one I've been dreaming about. I've read some glowing reports and the price isn't all that bad. Other Rugers I've owned have been flawless so I would think the quality here would be just as good. Here's a couple of links:
http://www.thegunsource.com/store/it...I_INTER__.aspx
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ruger_M77RSI_firearm_fun.htm
Wow. That Super Mod power extends even further than I feared .......
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ma****bation.
Last edited by Rick : Today at 07:20 AM.
Yes, well, kids and all. I hold amazing powers. Occasionally, I even zap myself. You have to be very careful. A down side to being Minister of Science.
LOL You crack me up. Of course he is not old enough to own a firearm yet. But if he plays his cards right, he will be one day. Nothing wrong with planning for the future, even if your goals are a little miss guided or unrealistic. Isn't that what a lot of people are doing here? Trying to pick up or clarify information that they can use at a later date?Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeak
Ok, lets say, just for the sake of argument, that he doesn't make it...he never gets old enough to own a firearm. There are plenty of guests on this site that might read the mad ramblings in these posts and learn something that they never heard or thought of before. You know like, "Hey, you can use ear plugs to protect you hearing while you shoot? Dang that's a good idea!":D
I don't really think this forum helps, to much information is like no information. What is gained if every cartridge ever invented is recomended. Why not just say go to "Cartridges of the world" close your eyes a choose one.
http://www.mrhengineering.com/
This is a friend of mine's website. I helped develope these rifles. I am a former USMC sniper. Read the website to find out the remarkable features of these rifles.
He makes custom rifles that are astounding you can get a custom rifle for the price of a high dollar off the shelf rifle capable of shoot sub MOA at the ranges you mention. They are unique in many ways. I do not make anything referring you to him.
Honestly, tell your friend to get a new picture. That blurry out of focus one sort of puts a damper on his web site.
This hasn't happened in dozens of posts! Rick, I agree with you.
When's the slaw coming?
All I can say is you're learning. Agree with me more often. It's easy.:D
You must have missed some of my post. (I'm being kind here.)
When's the slaw coming?
You can handload the .375H&H for anything as well. And the .375 will do less damage on the meat than the .270.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot
No, the .375 is a fantastic deer rifle- if you use a 250 or 270gr load.Quote:
Originally Posted by grundle
This is horrible advice. Have you ever looked through a Swarovski or Zeiss scope? There is no comparison. I have used lots and lots of American brand scopes- a few come close- but none match the best Austria has to offerQuote:
Originally Posted by MonsterMash
gotta agree with jason there. although you will tend to spend slightly more for a foreign scope than for its american made equivalent in quality, there are a lot of well made foreign scopes. The late great Gale McMillan said to expect a 20% markup for imports. As stated in this link about 2/3rds of the way down the page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason_Montana
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...ad.php?t=13359
Also had some to say about those shepherd scopes that I like so much
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.g...cfc6c79d6c050d
Re: Shepherd Scopes. That's why I'm not a world class hunter or guide. I could NEVER spend $650 on a scope. Do you know how much bacon that will buy?
You ever dream about hijacking one of those refrigerated tractor trailers?:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Yea yea, lots and lots of prepackaged already salted and preserved bacon. But...if you ever end up way out in the middle of nowhere like I did...and find out that you can't hit the broad side of a barn because your scope quit working properly like my Leopold did(I know, they are usually so good)...and you don't know about it until you try to shoot your dinner with it because it broke some time after my test fire upon getting to the middle of nowhere and because looking through a regular scope you can't tell that it isn't lining up properly...you might be willing to invest that kind of money to keep from getting that particular feeling that happens when your dinner getter quits getting dinner. I think it was disbelief and disappointment followed by hunger. I don't miss dinner very often. No, I didn't starve but I had to get a new scope later and was only able to get one caribou that trip after I took the broke scope off. Good thing I practice with open sights too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Oh! You can get them there shepherd scopes on ebay for a few hundred less than getting them new.
Here is a question for you .308 users. I know there is a bit of difference between .308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO. But I've read that the 7.62 headspace is made to match the .308 and the 7.62 pressure is less so it won't damage a .308 weapon (but not the other way around). Have any of you used 7.62 in your .308 weapon?