Well im glad im a trained CNA, ahh bet you guys didnt know this punk rocker was a certified *** wiper did yah :P
Well im glad im a trained CNA, ahh bet you guys didnt know this punk rocker was a certified *** wiper did yah :P
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Originally Posted by protogalaxy
It is NEVER a failure if You learned.
If you combine that with certified ***kisser, you'll be supremely employable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamel
Read the remarks in the red letters. :ohmy:Quote:
Originally Posted by protogalaxy
The reason I asked about your age (sorry - didn't check your profile) and job experience is because you said you needed to to this to get away from things that you have an adverse medical reaction to. The job market in some parts of the country is booming. Probably not a whole lot of perfumes and scented colognes in the shale oil fields of North Dakota. Your reasoning seems to have morphed into something else now, especially with yourPlease understand that a serious response to this type of question is going to require a serious effort on your part to communicate effectively your existing situation and the scenario that you envision. By your own words, you didn't put much effort into that since you just did a copy and paste job from a different type of forum. I guess in your view it's OK to put little effort into presenting your request to a group that you have never met, but they should somehow intuitively just know what you meant and put an effort into making your journey a successful one?Quote:
I envy you luckier people who have money to just camp legally with plenty of supplies
To critique a "list" without knowing about any of your experiences or skills is foolhardy. You can get as PO'd as you want. You can chastise members here because you thought by the title of the forum you would receive different responses than you did. Know this....there are many experienced outdoorsman on this forum. There are many different and varied levels of experience here as well. What you will not find is any encouragement to do something foolhardy or illegal.
I/we truly do want you to succeed and even excel in the wilderness, but IMO you are not putting in the effort to make that happen.
ha right? back to school!Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
You poo poo a college education too quickly. Over an adult's working life, high school graduates can expect, on average, to earn $1.2 million; those with a bachelor's degree, $2.1 million; and people with a master's degree, $2.5 million. I'm not saying it's the only avenue to be successful in life. Just one of them. You are certainly correct that networking is the best method of finding a job. There are trades groups and professional groups for just about any job you are interested in. Start attending their meetings. That's how you meet people and start networking.
As for wool clothing check online for military surplus. There is a lot of foreign military, wool, clothing being offered online at the moment relatively cheap.
I don't know about the conformist fear mongers part but it does keep people from squatting in our forests and turning them into a waste land and cuts down on the poaching.
Proto, You've had questions answered and questions posed to you. As others said, just cause you don't like the advice, doesn't mean its not valid. I myself have little experience with the wilderness and would be asking similar questions as threads like this pose if I had the misconception that I wanted to go "survive" in the wild. You are clearly desiring to leave an adverse situation. You have chosen to leave for the wilderness. Its no longer a matter of "surviving" but preparing. In preparation, many of the issues posed by members apply (hunting, squatting, etc).
The other issue is that this will do NOTHING to better your situation. You say you are limited financially. Well, leaving for the wild won't solve this problem and will most likely make it worse as you end up needing to purchase supplies. Why not try to bust your *** for a few months, save some cash, and get the hell out of dodge (not the wilderness). As stated, there are places that are booming and any place that is booming in a single industry requires support industry. The shale fields need roofers to maintain homes.
The military is also an option for someone your age.
I'm just getting started with helping others and the biggest thing I've come across is that a lot of people talk about wanting better, but don't really think out a plan for it. You say you want journalism exp, but have no connections. Go make some. Go into EVERY place that needs photographers and TALK to the people. Shake hands and get names. Its not that you'll get the job, but if you go in and just get your name in there with some basic info, you never know where it could lead. You can see if any local papers need freelancers so you can build a resume. Leaving for the wilds won't help you here either. It is truly amazing what can be no further away than a handshake. Yeah, you'll find a lot of dead ends, but sometimes, that one handshake can change everything.
I don't think running a way to the wild will really solve any of your issues.
JP - I had to give you some rep for that. It was spot on advice.
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Originally Posted by Rick
Dotto....good solid advise.
Plus 2 on that....
Ditto! Positive Rep sent! :santasmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Running away to the wilderness (as in this case and some others we've seen on here) hardly ever a seems to be rational decision but rather an emotional one. And as such, talking sense will most likely fall on deaf ears. Some people just need to learn the hard way and that's all there is to it.
Thanks JP, for a very long time I strongly opposed joing the military, as it's full of biggots and drunks, and I've heard so many stories about people regretting it.
It may seem like an option for me now, though.
I'm slightly discouraged because I was in amazing shape 6 months ago, until I lost my vehicle, and have been home bound and depressed.
I never planned on living in the woods. I planned on doing extended camping trips, to stay away from my situation as much as possible.
I more so planned on staying out for a month or so, returning for a few weeks for supplies, and going back out.
My "survival equpment" is just for emergency, I'm not one to be close minded.
There is a good chance that I will start working out again, get in shape, and just join the military to help myself get some form of employment.
It might be my only chance to get a vehicle again, pay off my vehicle fine, and get a place of my own.
A lot of this comes from not being able to have the freedom to visit the trails and scenery I want to, and being stuck around a house.
The situation I live in truly is damaing my health not just from the stress, but from ignorance of my family. It is also a danger to my dogs, because one of the family members has dementia, and constantly lets them out near cars and roads, and is a contributing factor to chemical damage I've recieved to my lungs. Carbon Monoxide gas left on, checmical spills, etc.
I thought that a camping life may be doable, and may try out to see if I can live campground area, but there is a good chance I will be joining the military if I don't find a solution. At least when I'm off duty I will be able to have dogs without putting them in danger, and breathe, and enjoy jogging, etc.
I feel the military takes a lot of my freedoms, but as I am right now, I don't feel too free.
Thank you for all the advice, I surely wouldn't put myself in a situation where I couldn't navigate out of.
I'm not sure if I will be doing extended camping stays, or joining the military, I will be thinking a lot over the next month or so.
If my extended camping, and exploring for job connections doesn't lead to anything pretty quickly, I will probably have to join the Air Force or Army..
Thank you all..
ps- would have repped u too jp, but I've repped too much today, maybe next time ;p
Look at it this way, joining the military is like an extended camping trip of sorts unless you're in the submarine service. I think you'll do okay once you get past the bigots and the drunks. The ones that you generally have to step around are the drunk bigots.
Haha yes, seeing as I'd probably be surrounded by them, I'll have to into camouflage mode. Regardless, I've always loved nature, and if I have to wait until I make money in some way I'd rather not, at least it will be a step towards being able to do a lot more fun exploring and camping in the future, without having to worry about returning to a bad situation, or getting so stressed that I decide I have to live there permanently.
We will see, life is what it is, **** happens, I'll be smart and figure it out..
You can also get your college education paid for if you join the National Guard! My middle brother got drafted when the war in 'Nam was going on, but thanks to a kind-hearted C.O. who was sending everybody he could over to Korea, he never saw action. He learned a trade in Auto mechanics, which he loved to do, btw. After he got out he later wound up in financial trouble so he re-upped in the Army Reserve as a full-time supply sergeant. After he retired from there he became a Sherrif's deputy for several years, 1st as a jailer, later in charge of administrative stuff! Today he's got two retirement checks coming in! You also can get some great outdoors gear and clothing as well as training for what you want to do! Something to consider anyway. :smartass:
Yes I would definately stay away from all the biggots and other types of people that are not good enough to share your world.
One must keep those undesirables with their own opinions that might differ from yours in their place on the lower rungs of the social order.
Horny violent drunken idiots, maybe bigots was the wrong word, but though it sounds like a stereotype, and I'm sure there are plenty of nice intelligent people, a lot of them are trigger happy drunken machos who get their self satisfaction from yelling.
Protogalaxy for president.
Jesus is on the forum?! :ohmy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
Protogalaxy - you have absolutely no clue about the military. Please, do not even consider joining. With your last post, it seems that your quest to remove yourself from odors that make you ill was nothing more than a fantasy. Now you have moved to troll status.
PhotoGalaxy, if you want to go into the military, here is where you should go. These guys get to recreate outdoors in the boonies quite a bit and in some interesting environments ... plus, they get to play with all kinds of great toys! :thumbup1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...FRePXMI9M&NR=1
S.M.
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Originally Posted by crashdive123
+1. ... I'd go even further though.. In addition to being a troll, you sir, are an assh*le
Let's not make it a personal attack. You can diss the message but not the messenger.
I stand by what I said for a large majority of basic station. That's not the same for a lot of Officers, the Navy Buds, and special military ops like snipers and some marines.
I have an opinion and most of the people I've met are alcoholics, not really intellectuals, that doesn't mean they don't deserve respect for some of their jobs, but I'm just stating that it's not really my group. I have heard that no scents are allowed at basic training, and also not at that BUG training. I have a decent amount of physcial ability, I can climb ropes and poles without my legs, minus the last few months, I woke up every morning and ran 3-4 miles on sandy trails, including hills, sprints, and jumps. I've tired out dogs, but I know that a lot of the lower rank basic stations consists of alcohol and unihibited testosterone with little free thinking.
Sorry to offend any of you in the military, but I really don't care if you think I'm an asshole.
I would suggest it a bit hard to judge a group of people...any people...if you have not actually spent time there. Sort of like your comment on college. A lot of folks do it, but it isn't a rational, objective opinion. It's taking a few interactions and labeling an entire group. We used to call it discrimination. Today it's profiling or some such thing. The point is if you have not done X then you can not have any real opinion of X. That goes for people, places and doing things like wilderness camping. No doey, no opinion.
Thanks for the rep guys, I appreciate that my advice was appreciated.
Proto, I will say that your opinion on the military won't earn you any brownie points here as most, if not all, of us strongly support our servicemen and women, but I won't get into that here, troll or no troll.
I am willing to offer any advice you ask of me. The first bit was only offered because any post asking about running away is assumed to be a request for advice. I don't give advice without it being asked for though as much as I can avoid it. The reason being is if you ask for advice, you have to accept it no matter how much you may hate it. You don't have to agree with it, but you have to accept it as an honest assessment (honest may not equate to nice or pleasant). I can understand medical issues and depression/etc that stems from a variety of sources and the affect on one's mindset since I've gone through it at some level, though the wild was never my destination. The caveat, if you respond negatively to any advice you ask for, its over. Plain and simple.
Since you've never been in the military you are not really qualified to say anything credible about those who serve, or have served, so I didn't take it seriously. I have a grown son twice your age who served proudly in the USMC and he wouldn't think anything about you one way or the other. He served so that you would have a right to your opinion. I don't think that you are an Anus, just misguided.Quote:
Originally Posted by protogalaxy
fair enough.
will update.
I know a lot of people that only hunt on the weekends because they have to work for a living and the weekend is the only time they get to spend time outdoors. And because you load your deer in the bed of your truck your not a real hunter? Where I live you drag your deer out of the woods, load it in the bed of your truck and if it is a buck parade it around town to show all your buddies. A real hunter is someone that is proactive in the conservation of nature, abides all laws and regulations and follows all safety precautions, doesn't matter if he loads his deer in the bed of his truck....Quote:
Originally Posted by protogalaxy
And I am confused about the rules for storing wild game where you live, you can take it to a butcher shop and have them cut the meat into steaks and grind it into hamburger and you could store it where you live no different than the stuff you buy at the grocery store...
After this guy attacks and insults EVERYONE that has served in the military and EVERYONE that has taken the trouble to work their butts off to get an education and EVERYONE that hunts when they are allowed to hunt by legal means we are supposed to "play nice".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
After we do 20,000 intros with "thank you for your service" are we going to switch to spitting on them like they did when I served?
I have seen you guys bann people for half what this arrogant narcissist has gotten away with!
What is suddenly happening on this forum?
We tend to coddle the young, even when they're clueless & rude. Kind of reflects the wider society.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
First of all, I used to live in So Cal. I was in the military, and I have a college degree. I also spent 2 years in a foreign country learning the language and customs.
There is life outside So Cal. Many places in the US have jobs and fresh air. Look at Wyoming or North Dakota. They are hurting for young, strong workers. You would be working outside in fresh air, earning more money than a lot of college degrees pay. Natural Gas is booming, and they need workers. Since they need workers so bad, and they pay more, all the local businesses also need workers to fill the gap. In Wyoming, it is so bad that the local restaurants and shops will keep a worker on, even if he/she shows up drunk or stoned. There just isn't the supply to fill the demand. Wyoming, North Dakota, Eastern Utah, Colorado, New Mexico etc, are all experiencing the Natural Gas boom. All of these states have much cleaner air than So Cal. Just sayin....
Notice I said that those oil jobs pay more than a lot of college degrees, not all of college degrees. In fact, in that business, you still have the separation from college educated and non-college educated. The college educated get paid more. College is a business. They will give you the degree you want, as long as you pay. The problem lies when the degree you want isn't the degree employers want. The people camping out in city centers all picked the wrong thing to study. I saw these types of people in college. They were always doing rallies, or protests, or partying, or anything other than studying. If your degree doesn't require 60 hours a week study time with 12 hours of credits, then chances are, it is an easy one, with a low commercial value. The US is hurting right now for people with degrees in Engineering, Science and Math. We have to import workers from India and China to fill the void.
I got my first job out of college based on my grades and what was written on my resume. I didn't know anyone associated with my employer previous to working there. I got a job based on merit alone, no inside connections. You can do this as well, if you pick a good degree, and actually study. Incidentally, my boss told me that my military experience put me ahead of the other job candidates.
The military is full of lazy drunks. But, it is also filled with really bright, motivated people. Where you end up will be determined by what choices you make. If you are bright, motivated, and driven to succeed, then you will be surrounded by like minded people. The more you volunteer, the more you will rise above the rest. If you want to be lazy....well then.
Running into the woods won't solve your problems. My advice still stands. Leave So Cal by any means necessary.
Saying I think college is just a business sham that is strongly undesirable to networking is not an insult, and I still don't really care.
Also, I asked for advice on people who survive for at least around a month, with no truck,
not weekend recreation where you go and "show all my buddies my deer." Just because you follow laws and can shoot an animal doesn't mean you deserve respect.
And I didn't say everyone in the military, I said the majority of basic level station. Officers, High level Marines, Navy Buds, Snipers, deserve respect.
Vietnam war veterans deserve respect.
But the military isn't what it used to be, it's full of beer pong playing, ignorant wanna-be machos who couldn't think for themselves if Lao Tzu came down from the heavens and slapped them with a philosophy book.
If you did something great in the military, good for you. You're not the only reason I'm here.
I respect the people who've been in battle,
but right now, it is mostly drunken affghanistan tent parties, racist young men harassing Eastern civilians, and a war that isn't really protecting our homeland, but just flexing USA's power.
There is a difference between a hero and a follower, who doesn't has some false sense of entitlement due to the news and previous service-men who do deserve respect.
I really, really, don't give a **** if you disagree with my opinion.
You think I'm clueless, I think you're clueless.
Sorry to jolt your previous way of thinking, and fear based conformism.
And by fear based conformism, I mean, people who are scared to go against certain opinions because
they know they will be looked down upon by all the other people who don't truly think, but are really just defending some sort of narcissism themselves.
I think you have a false sense of pride, and once again, I'm entitled to my opinion, if people get banned over this, I really, really, don't give a ****.
There are tons of people who drag themselves to work hard everyday, or push their bodies to the limit, without being in the military, sometimes while sufferening much harder financial and family hardship.
I bet you only pay attention the television news.
Continue drinking your beer and watching the history channel.
Enough is enough. People on here have tried to give you what you want and you still attack them. Good luck elsewhere. :thumbdown:
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Originally Posted by Sourdough
I wanted to give you rep for this but have to spread the love around first.
@protogalaxy: take bear spray. And you don't need woolen underwear.
I figured his last comment would do him in.
I real supprised y'all put up with this guy for 4 pages, and #77 posts........Goes to show ya, all lost puppies can't be saved....
You can leed a horse to water......
but you cant make him take a bath? :confused1: j/k I know the real end.