The M4 is just 2" shorter than a 16" AR. Not alot to talk about. But I see your point about the pistol being much handier:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
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The M4 is just 2" shorter than a 16" AR. Not alot to talk about. But I see your point about the pistol being much handier:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
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Originally Posted by Rick
OK so I have the john boat, and the runabout, and the sailboat.....I am pretty sure that's not enough boats I better go check Graig's list real quick!
Does the Coast Guard start charging for services after the second boat goes down?
Not if you have AAA! You get three sunks a year I believe. :boat:Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
I have a Stage Coach type double 12 guage, simple quick and efficient. No "black guns " for me. After 25 plus years finally dawned on me they are not my cup of tea. I follow the KISS principle Keep It Simple Stupid (referring to me of course :) )
I routinely shoot SASS and Western 3-Gun matches, so I have a special appreciation of that about which you speak. As Jeff Cooper often said, "The gunfight is not won by the first shot, but by the first hit."Quote:
Originally Posted by Pal334
Generally speaking, I'd rather be accurate than fast. (The only exception would occur if I should be up against a fast AND accurate shooter...)
Recognizing, of course, that the stereotypical "Gunsmoke" shootout is just not in reality's realm...
The thought occurred to me, that when a question is asked about Black rifles for this....and for that,...for house cleaning....zombies etc......Someone wants one, and is looking to justify a reason.....or that the way it seems.
Well, Bunky, I say, just go for it, no need to to have a reason, a "I just want one" is totally within the parameter's of "just because"....Life's to short to dance with ugly women...unless you want to.
Not that was the reason for the OP ...just saying...in general.
I agree with Daniel, Having been "around the horn", a tour in Vietnam and early Iraq and a few in between, thankfully there are VERY FEW people that are fast AND accurate shooters when their "hinny" is on the line and scared sh**less:). So the KISS principle has served me very well. As you know, gadgets are not the answer, practice with what you have, that is THE answer
I think the same thing each time I see someone recommending training that incorperates advancing on the target in the open, drills in the open, using interior walls for cover......Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Nighteyes
They never stress laying on the ground shooting at feet under a car or shooting from a seated position with a steering wheel inb your way.
And "clearing the house", I always get a chuckle out of reference to clearing ones house or intruders.
Don't forget shooting over your shoulder while running the other way. I practice that one a lot.
We have a good setup for the home and none of it involves clearing anything. I'll stay in my bedroom while they cart the stuff out the door. It's not that important. There is a .45 and .38 backing it up along with the 911 call either landline or cellular, whichever is required. But I am NOT creeping through the house looking for anything. That's what they pay LEO for.
The only gunfight I ever won was against a young Vietnamese man who had his Lebel rifle slung over his shoulder. My rifle was in my hands. I especially remember his eyes as they went from surprise to determination to realization to resignation, and then to vacancy. Every now and then he still visits me in my sleep. I believe he will be with me to the end of my days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pal334
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pal334
There is a difference between cover and concealment, and you use which ever you have to the best advantage you can get. I don't know who "they" are, but I have found training from vehicles and around vehicles, under obstacles, around barricades and doors, laying on back and firing over your head so you see upside down, and countless other positions. I have also received "clearing" training in both single and team coordinations. The info and training is out there, just gotta dig for it and not go to local Jim Bobs back yard shootin gallery.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
Situation depends. For instance, it would be your duty and legally justified action to advance till you are closer to the intruder than any of your loved ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
You can use the penetration for stick built homes to your advantage. The .223 loses energy rapidly and everything it hits, of course, reduces it further.
As in all shooting, try to hit what you aim at.
To the op, 2 mags should be sufficient, one can have a malfunction. Murphy never visits when everything is hunky-dory.
I have a flashlight on mine which is great. If you see a threat you are already pointing a rifle at it. :)
I am trained on an AR. I know the weapon backwards and forwards. It's as close a friend as any of you FOGs double barrels and lever actions.
Another consideration is kid safety. You have to do something to keep kids and grand kids safe when they are at the house. It's a lot easier to move handguns for me than long guns. Yeah, yeah, I know, ya'll have your kids and grand kids trained. Baloney. Accidents happen and kids are kids. What a horrible regret that would be to live with.
X2 for that. Guy with a bunch of tricked out "safe queens" don't worry me none. Now a Guy with an old sidearm, bluing worn thru, with permanent heat/powder discoloring at the muzzle. That there is the one ya got to keep an eye on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pal334
Beware the dude that only own's 1 gun. Probaly knows how to shoot that thing pretty good.
+1 on that Rick! Keeping guns away from little ones and yet having it readily available can be kinda tricky. I think it is paramount that the kiddos in your household understand them, but kids don't always have sound judgement 100% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Oh by the way the last 911 call that was made in my neighborhood took them 26 minutes to responde so I wouldn't count on that pill to save your can and I live in the city,go figure.I would rather rely on my weapons than the we'll show up when it's over crowd.
I can't say that we have that problem. We have a lot of LEO and they have a lot of visibility. They are usually on site in 2-3 minutes in force. I have no problem with any of our first responders. Medics and Fire are just down the street. Well, okay, when they hit that dang train horn at 2 a.m. when they zip past the house but other than that.....
If yu don't have young one around much....this can be a big deal.....heads up for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by natertot
PS: natertot check this out.....http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...hlight=buckeye
I do have little one's around all the time. I have a four year old daughter and a son that will be two a little later this summer. My duty pistol is the most prevalent one around and I make an effort to show it to them and explain it to them at their level. My daughter has even held it several times after I cleared it and she calls the muzzle the "owwie end". A little over a year ago, she had a pet snail die and I explained to her that if she points the "owwie end" at something, it could be like her snail. I can tell by her facial expressions that she understands it, but I wouldn't leave it in her reach because she doesn't understand how to operate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Thanks for the link......
You mean it is easier for you to carry a handgun down the hall than a rifle? I'd have to agree. It is also easier to carry a toothpick than a q-tip, but a rifle, handgun, toothpick, and q-tip all take one hand and the same amount of steps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I think I would want easy access to both a tactical rifle and a shotgun, and a handgun. I don't own a rifle currently, being as I live in the city, but as soon as I move or sooner it is on my list.
I wouldn't try clearing my house though. All the bedrooms are up stairs, secure the stairs. If I could herd all the kids into the master bathroom or something I'd do that, but that might not be realistic in the middle of the night.
I hope to buy a legal transferable smg one day, that would probably end up being my preference. That basically is as much as a new car though.
Im on the AR group. Its the cheapest option to cover the requirements I have. I wanted precision at long ranges, but also want high ammo captivities and a semi auto configuration. That would mean buying two guns, or getting a high-end AR. Don't get me wrong Im still getting a pistol and a shotgun but they aren't going to be a primary option more of a special purpose role.
What are you planning on doing with all that Captive ammo?
Now, now....we don't pick on you when your fingers don't cooperate with your brain.:innocent:
You know any time you mix boats and beer this happens, I just can't believe the amount of quality firearms that have sunk to the bottom of the Colorado River in such an incident, sad but true!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
The really bad part is I don't drink. It's stipulated in my witness protection agreement. Ooops. I probably shouldn't have mentioned that. Just forget you heard it.
Here in the People's Republic of New Jersey, the LEOs don't believe in guns. When I went to pick up my state firearms permit the guy issuing it asked if I had any questions. I decided to make small talk and asked if he had any pistol recommendations. He replies "I don't know anything about them." so I asked "Well, what is that you're wearing?" He replies "9mm Glock." so I ask, "Do you like it?" He replies "I qualify once every 6 months, but otherwise I don't use it."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
If I have a home invasion, I'm afraid to call 911. I don't want some innocent LEO to get hurt. :-)
There was a time, long, long ago in a medium sized town in Tennessee, where the Chief of Police informed his department that if he was ever taken hostage they were NOT to call out the SWAT team.
He told the dispatcher that in case of emergency she was to call the guys at the gun shop.
You sir, get one point. :airhorn:I read, read, and re-read that post at least twenty times to find all the messed up grammar and stuff that one evaded me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
Some time them there spell checkers don' know what you mean.......
SINCE WHEN??Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
There is no mercy in this arena. None that I have seen.
The point is that I screw up so much it is great fun to catch someone else with their fingers tangled up on occasion.
I use my AR to maintain the skills i learned on the M16 while is was in the USMC. I shoot weekly, albeit not at the ranges I was used to in the service. I keep 4 magazines full, and stockpile ammo regularly with a decent amount of flow between stockpiles to ensure round freshness.
What is the "use by" date on M16 stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by studderingdave
I'm shooting reloads I built 20 years ago, have a couple of spam cans of Russian fodder from the '70s and just finished up a batch of .303 surplus dated from the 1950s. Does M16 ammo start molding after a certain date?
60 days. All 5.56 and .223 ammo should be forwarded to me for disposal. No need to thank me.
Uh oh..... THE RANGE IS HOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
If you live in California it is 45 days and you need the proper paperwork to dispose of the ammo. So call me because I have the requisite expertise for this state. In this state for quantities of one thousand rounds or more we will even pick it up from you at no charge. There is also no charge for the paperwork or disposal fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Back in the olden days, BI, A fella used to go done to a gun shop, with an owner, and gunsmith, 3 cronies that hung out there, but didn't buy anything, .....You would ask a question, like how long can I keep ammo before it goes bad.....and" It" would start, the BS I mean......
Picture if you will, Cliff Clavin talking to Normie at Cheers........
Now that we have that picture in your head.......
Should mags be kept loaded?, and spring compressed?
If its damp, will the shells corrode?
Will ammo go bad if kept in a cool dry place?, Hot and wet?
How many mags do you need? Keep the gun loaded?
These these subjects get talked about over and over, and I can't tell you what the answer is............
It just seems to me that you can have the experience in the comfort of your own home, .......
Thankfully we have the Interweb......
Or using the WiFi at your local saloon.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Well, yeah, there is that....not my fault, ya know?......We all have to do what we have to do.....
I strongly resemble that remark, having valliently filled all four positions at one time or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
How think you that I have such ability to innocently stir up a hornet's nest with a single post?
I can not remember the last time I saw a querry posted that I had not seen previously and could not provide at least two pro and con references. Just pick a side, I'll take the other.
Except for the "anybody here own?" questions. I have been far too busy hanging out at the gun shop, and receintly on the internet, to make enough excess cash to OWN much of anything!
Then I moved 2 miles from the free public range and all hope for a few normal days at the end of my life was lost.