Am I just nuts or did we get off topic a little here................wait:confused:
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Am I just nuts or did we get off topic a little here................wait:confused:
You don't really want me to answer that do you? 'Cause you know I will. I will.
Solid grasp indeed-- breaking into people's homes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
He is just a thug, nothing more.
The question was, Could we learn something from him about survival BEYOND breaking and entering. The guy has been on the lose for several years staying one step ahead of John Q. Law. He doesn't spend all his time in someone else's home. So, yeah, I give him his dues on his ability to survive. I don't think he should be emulated or given a pat on the back but he does seem to know how to stay alive.
Well being chased by cops for a long time, and being isolated from society would definately tend to turn a person to a more animalistic behavior, and that would in turn affect your moral judgement to some degree. I am not condoning his thieving actions, but he probably really dont care what we think of him, and why would he.
There are not many people that cant do what he is doing and I respect that to some degree. It is too bad he couldn't find a way to survive without breaking into peoples homes because that is just motivating the authorities to catch him. So what he is doing is keeping the heat on himself instead of just staying below the radar.
He should move on to another wilderness and keep his nose clean and they would probably never catch him. As long as he goes close to society and breaks into homes, the more the odds are stacked against him with getting caught.
But I'll give him credit for being one wiley SOB!
His habitual breaking and entetring allowed him to survive this long even at the risk of keeeping him in the spotlight of LE.
He might not have shacked up in people's homes long enough to lead a cushy life but he certainly had a seemingly endless supply of whatever he needed when he needed it. SD and AS can do better than that.
I bet he has spent a lot of time in the woods too! Maybe we should nominate him for the Boots in the field award:smartass:
Or maybe not.
He left society, and doesn't follow societies rules any more.
I can't condone his illegal activities.
I can't condem his activities either.
He is living in the field.
Even law enforcement have compared him to Davey Crocket.
You kinda quit living in the field when your shopping at the grocery/oops I mean someones house. I can camp out behind your house and live pretty well for quite some time. As long as you keep buying groceries
a lot of the "greats" did the same, guys like eric rudolf and bill moreland. I'm not sure about Mcandless, can't remember reading that he did stuff like that.
It's a sad commentary when we start admiring "greats" like that. Just because they chose to live in the wilderness while ripping people off doesn't make them any better than the petty criminals who survive in the cities doing the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by randyt;341634[B
Robin Hoods they aint.
I think Randy was being facetious, since all the people mentioned were famous woodsmen who specialized in petty theft to stay alive. Rudolf being caught while dumpster diving and Morehead and this present dufus being obvious mental cases.
The chances are that our present fool would not be on the radar if he were a bit cleaner. The main concern seems to be the connection between the mess he makes of the places he visits and mental health issues, rather than the small amount of food and a rifle and some ammo he has taken. It was the same with Moreland.
When I was working the corrections system we could generally make the same connections. Smearing fecies on the walls and living in purposeful squalor is a pretty clear indication that your brain is not wired properly. It was usually our most dangerous customers that engaged in these acts.
It was people like this for which the term "outlaw" was coined. They live outside the norms and accepted behavior of society and make such a nuscience of themselves that the law refuses to protect them. Like any home invader, their presence is prima-facia evidence of intent to do harm. They become fair game to anyone who can stop them.
Now to answer the question of the caliber of the weapon, they only made it in three sizes: 35 Remington mag, .308 and .243. I would be a happy camper to find one in the local pawn shops in any of those denominations.
That's not correct, that's a Remington Model 600, the ribbed barrel kinda gives it away and the fancy curved bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
I have (or should say had) one in .35 Remington, supposedly only 6000 made of the total 94000 + all calibers.
Other calibers include, .222 rem, .223 rem, 6mm rem, 6.5 rem mag, .243 win, 308 win, .35 rem, .350 rem mag...all short cartridges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_600
It should be noted that for anyone that has one a "fix at no charge" factory recall on the trigger group, is still in effect, had the up date done to mine, before that tragic accident.
yup, I was being facetious, I see nothing to be admired from these type of people. McCandless is a little different than moreland and rudolf.
I am sure you are correct Hunter. Senility strikes again. I could only remember the three I listed and was too lazy to do a google search.
Lots of folks do not realize that Jeff Cooper developed the concept of the "scout rifles" around the Rem 600. One could not steal a better "survival rifle", especially in the 6mm and up calibers.
I gotta tell ya, the .35 rem is a brutal round, out to 100 yds, barrel length is only 18" inches, as as it's a bolt gun you are not limited to round nose bullets.
And yeah, was a trappers, or scout model......shorter that a Handi rifle.
Most .35 rem are in a lever gun configuration.
This was one the the better things I recieved from my MIL, it was her gun.
PS I only heard about another Model 600 in La in .35 rem, guy wanted big bucks for it.......so I know of only two.
Hi buddy. I'm looking for the same thing. I'm ready to go at any point.
Anybody out there looking for people to live in the wilderness with? I'm ready
Good luck with that. :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Edwards
Got us another live one, Sarge, what?
I'd like to hike the AT for a few years and just relax and take in the scenery and nature.
Sounds like a good job, if you can get it.
So.....You wanna just meet me at a trail head somewhere over that way and lets you and I just go do this thing huh!!! How many years you thinking about us being out there? One or two or more like 3 or better? Jus lemme know!Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Edwards
There will be plenty of company along the AT for you to meet. Relaxing and taking in the view is always a laudable goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Edwards
Be like Nike. Just do it.
Might know we would have a newbie revive this thread without actually reading the posts and seeing the error of their ways before jumping in!Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Edwards
The AT is a federally protected hiking trail and is not covered under any "homestead act". You can not simply "live on the trail" without outside support, legally.
There are people that try to do this. It is the hiking equivilent to being a hobo and the rangers and other hikers refer to them as "Trail Trash". Most of them plan their trips so they will reach the southern states in the autunm, find an off the record job somewhere for the winter and then hit the trail again in spring. They often find an isolated trail shelter and set up housekeeping for weeks at a time rather than actually hiking. They bum food off other hikers as they pass through, often in an intimidating way the same as the pan handlers in cities.
"Hey buddie, you gonna eat all that spam? You got any extra Ramen noodles you can let me borrow? If you are going back home tonight you won't need that half jar of peanut butter will you?"
Most are on the run from the law or have mental issues. Eventually they will cause a fuss of some kind, get reported to the rangers, get pulled into an office and have a background check run on them. This will usually result in an arrest for outstanding warrant and they dissapear for a while into the system.
I saw this twice in my one season on the AT. First guy had an outstanding murder warrant out. He got pushey with a girl and was removed from the trail at gunpoint in handcuffs. The other showed up with backpack, survival knife and compound bow. A true survivor. He wound up in a mental hospital some where in North Carolina.
And the AT is crowded this time of year. Section hikers and weekend hikers are all over the trail. It is not unusual to have 150 or 200 hikers intrude on your "peace and quiet" and mess up your pretty view in the course of a day. The AT is only a few hours drive from most of the major population centers of the east. It was planned as a quick getaway for the urban masses. They do use it.
The myth of the AT disapears after about two days of up and down hiking and listening to the cars pass at the bottom of the hill.
"Boss, boss, de plane, de plane!" (or, here we go again!) :mellow:
Come on up I got 8 cords of firewood that needs splitting. When your done with that I need a 1/4 mile of trench you can hand dig. I'll supply the tent in the wilderness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Edwards
Somebody watches too many reruns of Grizzly Adams, a purely fictional tale based on mass murderer Grisly Adams.
He dispatched his many victims with an axe and stole their stuff. You did not want to run into Grisly Adams in the mountains or on the prairie and you did not want to partake of his delicious bubbling stew.
Out here in the Rocky Mountains the rangers, etc., call them "Woods Rats." :w00t:Quote:
KYRATSHOOTER - " ... There are people that try to do this. It is the hiking equivilent to being a hobo and the rangers and other hikers refer to them as "Trail Trash".
S.M.
How come no one ever takes SD up on his offers?
That there is real wilderness living.
:)
Well for me it's because I would get all the way up there and he would probably take one look at me and put me back on my donkey saying "Thanks but No Thanks!"Quote:
Originally Posted by LowKey
If you can bust your hump, SD doesn't care what you look like. He won't be asking for your hand in marriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by wtrfwlr
I might have a chance then cause I'm not much in the looks dept. but I know about work! I've had to always use my head and my hands since I've never had much money.
hahahah Rick what is your fascination with THE DRC (congo)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Probably has family there? :-)
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