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Originally Posted by Alaskan Survivalist
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CNN is saying the same thing..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Survivalist
If there is no danger, why not send the top Japan Government people into the reactor sites and hold a press conference, with champagne and photos of the NON-Damage. I don't care about the smile's spin, as long as the wind does not blow ENE.
I don't think that anybody is saying there is no danger - there certainly is - and it certainly has the possibility of getting worse. The hype and hysteria of comparing it to Chernobyl - well that's all it is. Different types of reactors - differnt containment.
I haven't seen any reports of evidence that any of the containment stuctures have been breached. There has been some speculation - about a lot of things though.
Eric Talmadge and Elaine Kurtenbach, Associated Press, On Monday March 14, 2011, 11:15 pm
SOMA, Japan (AP) -- Radiation spewed Tuesday from a crippled nuclear power plant in tsunami-ravaged northeastern Japan in a dramatic escalation of the 4-day-old catastrophe, forcing the government to tell people nearby to stay indoors to avoid exposure.
In a nationally televised statement, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said radiation has spread from four reactors of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant in Fukushima province that was one of the hardest-hit in Friday's 9.0-magnitude earthquake and the ensuing tsunami.
"The level seems very high, and there is still a very high risk of more radiation coming out," Kan said.
This is the worst nuclear crisis Japan has faced since the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II.
Kan warned there are dangers of more leaks and told people living within 19 miles (30 kilometers) of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex to stay indoors to avoid radiation sickness.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said a fourth reactor at the complex was on fire and more radiation had been released.
He said the reactor, even though it was unoperational, was believed to be the source of the elevated radiation release because of the hydrogen release that triggered the fire.
"Now we are talking about levels that can damage human health. These are readings taken near the area where we believe the releases are happening. Far away, the levels should be lower," he said.
"Please do not go outside. Please stay indoors. Please close windows and make your homes airtight. Don't turn on ventilators. Please hang on your laundry indoors," he said.
"These are figures that potentially affect health, there is no mistake about that," he said.
The adage in the Navy is Time, Distance and Shielding. Minimize time of exposure, maximize distance from the source and maximize the shielding. I think Distance is the major factor here.
It looks like no good can come of this...I guess I was hopeful my child would have a world to grow up in like my Father had. My apologies it just isn't going to be.
Radiation is just now hitting "Edo" aka Tokyo, Japan. (60 miles away)
I was shocked at how many reactors are in South & North Carolina.........WOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by COWBOYSURVIVAL
Fortunately that's all WAY downwind of me. The only one I really have to worry about is Wichita, 250 miles upwind.
It could always be worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by COWBOYSURVIVAL
She could be a Japanese child whose grandfather lived through nuclear war. And now this.
It's a sad, sad, state of affairs.
Make the most of what you have now, every day is a gift.
Reactor #4 now on fire. What is not being said is this radioactive Isotopes will be floating around thousands of years. Even dispersed no one knows what long terms effects will be on the environment. I see this event much like the gulf oil spill at the moment.
Now they are saying they are unable to pump water into #4 reactor.
GMA is showing Radiation suits and hand scanners in their studio ,, hmmmm,,
How Serious is the Radiation Threat?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/03...diation-threat
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Originally Posted by Rick
"Dangerous Levels",,,,,,,,,,,, "Not a threat",,,, now that makes sense NOT,,,Quote:
Monday night, radiation levels spiked to dangerous levels, but within hours had fallen to less than 1 percent of that. The radiation exposure so far should not pose a serious threat to humans.
You've taken it out of context. "not a threat" comes after the fact that levels had fallen.
tell that to the guys working near the plant ;) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
The slightest exposure to second hand hand smoke puts your life at risk but radio active particles no problem. Is it any wonder I don't believe anything?
You took it out of context, too. You're exposed to radiation every single day. You guys read stuff the way you want to read it.
You say I have lost weight ,,,,,,Why thank you Rick,,, I have been working out ! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Rick, I'll bet you think they will have air-conditioning in the seventh level of hell and there is a silver lining behind the cloud that just brought the F4 tornado down your street!
Radiation exposure is not like going on a diet. You can not overdo it, then back off on your intake to make up the difference. What it goes "back down too" is totally irrelevant compared to what you were just exposed too.
This is probably now a moot point due to the continued problems at the plants. They have now pulled all the workers out, widened the safty zone and basically given up on saving the containment vessels.
We have 23 of these plants in the U.S. at 16 locations. Several on the east coast and one near Chicago.
They were declared unsafe in the 70s and recommended to be taken off line due to the weak containment vessels.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fukush...ry?id=13141287
On GMA this morning that Japanese physicist (missed his name but you all know him see pic)says we are looking at an event equal to "Several Chernobyls" and the Air Force needs to do the same thing with all these reactors,,, seal them in concrete.
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/isler010/asi...ies/michio.jpg
someone let me know when i can run outside in my camo loincloth and yell
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!!
I bet there are some good deals on beach front property in Japan now for smart people with the keen business sense I see on this forum.
Chernobyl 25 Years Later Becomes Japan’s Lesson on Meltdown
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-meltdown.html
You know, AS, your attitude is actually atrocious with anyone that disagrees with you. The level of paranoia I see on this forum is pretty sad.
KY - I agree with your assessment on radiation. The thing is no one, except possibly the workers on site, have been exposed to high levels of radiation. If radiation levels increase and then fall and no one is exposed what's the panic? I don't panic over speculation, innuendo and unknowns. I don't blame the government for some conspiracy and don't blame "them" for any and all failings that saunter along.
Justin - With the workers removed and no other options on the horizon, a sarcophagus for each reactor may be the only answer. It's pretty sad, really. The physicist you have pictured is Dr. Kaku. He's American by the way. I have read a lot of his work and watched a lot of his presentations. I have a lot of respect for him. If he says bury them then I have to agree.
You know the Japs already got nuked twice, I dont think a little fallout is going to be the end of the world. For them or anyone else. And if some people get sick and die from the radiation, well God be with them. But people get sick and die from our toxic environment all the time....
So for my part, and my advice for others is the same..Take a deep breath, utter a prayer, keep on keeping on.
I wish you guys wouldn't do this. I pulled the video of Kaku and that's not what he said. IF there is a full melt down and IF the containment buildings crack. He said in a worse case scenario it would be that bad. Here's the interview.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/japa...fense-13146080
And KY, you did exactly the same thing. The workers were pulled BRIEFLY because of high levels of radiation.
"Japans nuclear crisis appeared to be spinning out of control on Wednesday after workers withdrew briefly from a stricken power plant because of surging radiation levels..."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...72A0SS20110316
You guys chastise the media for sensationalizing and not reporting things accurately and then you come on here and do the same thing. That's why posting your sources in so important. I don't want folks to believe ME. I don't want them to believe any of YOU either. I want them to have all the facts and then decide for themselves. They can't do that when you guys just post partial truths.
They ARE cracked rick,, at least that is what is being reported ,,, Dont get stuck thinking this cannot be a Chernobyl like event,,, thanks for finding the video,, I was just listening to it in the background, but to me, The Video is still very compelling... Things ARE and HAVE BEEN going from bad to worse, to assume that the situation is all of a sudden reverse course and be all better is a mistake IMO,,, They also said this morning that the Japanese HAVE asked the US Military for help now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
That's not true either unless you have a source for it. Everything I've read and have been reading this morning says there is speculation that two of the containment buildings may have cracked. That's not the same thing. If you have a definitive source then please post it because I haven't seen one yet.
I guess we will have to wait and see,, There is no denying things are getting worse,,,, not many more things can happen before full scale melt down.. its alot like the oil spill,,,, how long was it before we "Really" knew how bad it was ?? put you helmet on, The sky IS falling over there,, ;)
"may have" means "DID" IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
http://www.outlookseries.com/A0997/S...ukio_Edano.htm
Exactly my point.
"Yukio Edano, Japan: Fukushima Nuclear Reactor Three Containment Vessel May Have Cracked." It's speculation.
So is the sun Rising tomorrow ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I don't understand the question, I guess. I'm not saying the vessels are or are not breached. All I'm saying is I don't know and I haven't seen any reports that say they have been or are still in good shape. Yet, many are coming on here saying they have been breached without any corroborating proof. That can scare the bejeesus out of folks that might be reading this forum and isn't responsible.
Its what we are hearing on the news,,,,, granted they will say one thing one min and something else the next. Ok,, , we dont know whats really going on over there, only what they are telling us,, wait and see i guess.
Rick you saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
“I'm done with this. We going to die. In fact, we're probably dead already. Choi.”
Canadian Gorilla says “someone let me know when i can run outside in my camo loincloth and yell
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!!
I said “I bet there are some good deals on beach front property in Japan now for smart people with the keen business sense I see on this forum.
All three remarks are sarcastic. Why does mine stand out as atrocious?
Consider this my source of your hypocrisy
I'll let your post stand as my proof of mine. Thank you.
That's why you're the man. My hats off to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick