FORT HOOD, Texas — The base commander at Fort Hood says soldiers who witnessed a shooting rampage that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before...
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FORT HOOD, Texas — The base commander at Fort Hood says soldiers who witnessed a shooting rampage that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before...
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Kimberly Munley, a civilian police officer working in security at Fort Hood, was a first responder on the scene of the shooting. She is thought to be the person who shot him four times
She was wounded in the exchange and still got the bast**d. THis lady knows what Control really is.
Another example of the suitability of the 9mm (they carry Berettas 92fs) Just sayin ....
The hero cop who ended the bloody rampage at Fort Hood had been directing traffic moments before she confronted the gunman and pumped four bullets into him despite being shot herself.
Civilian police Sgt. Kimberly Munley and her partner responded within three minutes of reported gunfire Thursday afternoon, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said Friday.
Munley, who had been trained in active-response tactics, rushed into the building and confronted the shooter as he was turning a corner, Cone said.
"It was an amazing and an aggressive performance by this police officer," Cone said.
Munley was only a few feet from crazed Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan when she opened fire.
Wounded in the exchange of gunfire, Munley was reported in stable condition at a local hospital.
The hero cop spent Thursday night phoning fellow officers to let them know she was fine and to find out about casualties in the attack - the deadliest ever on a military base in the U.S., Cone said.
Cone said Munley's aggressive response training taught her that "if you act aggressively to take out a shooter you will have less fatalities."
"She walked up and engaged him," he said. He praised her as "one of our most impressive young police officers
That took a pair. A very large brass pair. Cudos to her. Who knows how many lives she saved.
It's a shame that those four that she put in him, didn't kill him.
On the bright side.....now someone can tell him that those bullets were dipped in pigs blood. (Oops...did I say that out loud?)
What I don't understand is this:
Weren't other people armed where this happened, and if yes, why wasn't he shot earlier?
This almost sounds like a high school scenario and not an army base.
Don't mean to PO anyone, I just don't get it.
It's unfortunate, but it seems rather strange that we would have people in positions like that when they pose a possible threat.
I guess you can't weed em all out without locking up or denying innocent folks as well.
Under normal conditions, the only military personnel that are armed and with ammunition are the Military Police when at a stateside base. The exceptions are when they are at weapons qualification areas. These folks apparently were doing administrative processing prior to deploying. At best some may have been carrying weapons that were unloaded for handcarry on their flight, but that is also not the norm. So in essence as far as an armed population, you are correct it is almost like a high school scenario. The plot that occurred here at Ft Dix, NJ would have been even worse, because the areas they were going to hit would have been training areas where they (US military) were armed with weapons and blank ammunition for training purposes. And the firing by the bad guiys would have been masked by the normal shooting during training scenarios. Yours is a good question, since many folks do not know the arming policy at stateside bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
Yes that is the major misconception about being on a Military Base. People think it is so safe but in reality it isn't. You have hundreds or like the base I am on thousands of people in a relatively small area that are unarmed. Not sure how many SF/MP's we have but they are the only one's armed. So an incident such as this can be devestating. We also have thefts, rapes, B&E, Etc on Base as well. It's nothing more thatn a gated community that still has it's share of crime.
Honestly guys, if this was allowed to happen on an army base
what's left for the streets of NYC?
There was plenty of heads up on this character from all told reports,
and NOthing was done.
Is this political correctness gone mad or am I missing anything?
What is it going to take?!
The reality is, a military base is just like any other community when it comes to vulnerability to crime by its members. I would say that crime by "outsiders" is significantly less likely due to the security at the perimeter (base gates) of the installation. But I can say with some confidence that the folks in the military are representative of our society. My personal opinion, representative of the best of our society since it is a volunteer force, but there are all the quirks and foibles of our society represented. I don''t think it means that NYC is any more or less vulnerable. From what I am seeing, I do not think there were many "warning sign" on this guy. There was his name, which by the way is a very common name in Islam on one web site, but it has not been proved that it was him (this may change of course when they analyze his computer). And his military career seems to be at least average, after all he made Major. The "problem" mentioned at Walter Reed with counseling and added supervision is not atypical of someone going through training (he was a resident). And at least in the intial phases, it would seem that this was a reaction by hime to a deployment order which he dreaded.So other than the obvious tragedy, I would not be extremely worried that this signals any sort of increase in potential issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
Having posted the above, this is what I see on CNN
Shooting reported at Orlando high-rise
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/...ngs/index.html
So much for my career as a pundit
Back when I was active duty,The crime rate on a military base was about the same or in some cases ( domestic violence) was higher than surrounding towns/cities. But being a military base most civilians never hear about it. The last I heard the shooter was despondent ( spelling?) about being deployed. So what I hated every time I was deployed but never considered.......
An officer who had some previous interaction with this guy was interviewedQuote:
Originally Posted by Pal334
om MSNBC this morning. He reported actually hearing the shooter in the last year make comments that would seem highly suspect under any circumstances let alone during war time in the Middle East.
Doesn't the Patriot act extend to military bases as well or is it strictly for civillians?
The officer did an outstanding job, hope she is rewarded. All MREs should contain bacon. Remember a rumor the Brits used many yrs ago coating the power & ball with lard to waterproof, no ammo was stolen. Maybe Swine flu shots should be mandatory? Since I AM politically incorrect I vote for pigskin boots and then let's do a little profiling. I would hate to be forced to check everyone's religion that got behind me.
IMO it was an act of terrorism by a Muslim extremist.Quote:
Ok now that we know more than we did. What is your opinion?
Nutcase or terrorist?
Nutcase or terrorist?
What's the diff?
I'll second that and add that IMO we are burying our heads in the sand by not admiting that it is exactly that! Saying he was worried about his deployment is plain BS!Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
Coot - I read a story that in the 19th century the Brits did use a pork based oil to seal the paper shells. Once the Indians (the continent not the baseball team) found out they boycotted and the Brits had to begin using a different compound.....or at least they said it was different.
If you can't see the difference than it'll take more than an explanation on an internet forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE