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I understood this info perfectly now , last night I skipped reading when it kinda went above my head. I'd like to know which one in the wikipedia list is easy to get, similar to alum?Quote:
Originally Posted by TomChemEngineer
Do you mean it is OKAY to drink the turbid water if it's boiled / chlorinated and filtered?
Ken, can you please give some more detail and / or some pics (even if you make it manually in mspaint). That will let me picturize it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Unknown warrior, this probably wont be of any help to you but as a point of intrest...I use seeds of the horse raddish tree (moringa oleifera) known locally by the name Murunga, and the seed of strychnose potatorum known as "ingini" for clearing muddy water. the sediment settles fast when the crushed seed are added to the water. (20-25 minutes) I usually have a few seeds on one or the other in my survival pack.
I was wondering I might not get them here in India but the name Murunga sounded south-indianish to me and I see it's from sri-lanka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay
Good, I'll try to get it, probably will ask someone in Delhi about it.Quote:
Moringa Oleifera is a tree which is also native to Northern India.
Hi UK. Alum is usually available in grocery stores near the canning supplies and sometimes in little jars in the spice section. It used to be used in pickling... not sure anymore since I don't pickle. My mom used it to make pickles crunchy. It is a sodium-aluminum sulfate and is probably the easiest to get. Those who are hesitant to use it because it has aluminum in it... well, you have to make that choice. City water supplies use alum to flocculate the water ahead of the sand filters.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnknownWarrior
You are correct. Turbidity is not necessarily a bad thing if it is after chlorination or boiling, since the bad stuff (bio-actives) associated with the particles would be inactivated by that time. It is not very pretty to drink turbid water, but it won't really hurt you if it is just from clay particles or normal stuff in the water.
The other thing to consider is if the turbidity is from an iron-bacteria that comes out of some wells. The chlorination will take care of that, too, though.
Just my opinion, having done a few water systems.
Alum is used all over India for treating turbid water, even in the villages. The ony thing is that it has to be used for quite some time for getting a nice clear water. And due to this long time (a few slow circles in the water), the water becomes sour in taste, sometimes even affecting the throat. I hate it as much as the turbid water. I also causes me sneezing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TomChemEngineer
I tried to use the act. charcoal filter but that one is for the bush so it doesn't remove the turbidity though it does make the water clearer a bit more than direct tap.
Right now I boiled some water and kept it to settle. Other than this I think I do not have much option. It is hard for me to drink water these days, that's why I'm searching for a good and cheap solution.
I did find something tho - the bio-sand filter. It's a one time investment. It might help and I might make one tho it would need some time. Still have to do some reading at http://www.biosand.org
Anyway, thanks for the turbidity info, atleast the boiled water is safe to drink even tho not nice to look at. It's been a long time I'm searching for a nice filter and purifier with cheap costs but ones I got from this forum and other places, well I am not satisfied I would say yet, or could not yet choose for the long term.
Boiling water is okay for sometime for me but not for long. I do not wish to waste fuel everyday ... well unless I'm able to make some solar water heater that works even in cloudy weathers ... and cheap.
Thanks for the info btw.
If edr730, or anyone else, can detail me this fish tank filter, it would be great.Quote:
Originally Posted by edr730
I don't have plans and I've never tried it or seen anyone who has. I felt a small pump would save labor, money and electricity and water filtered and aerated 20 times should be better than once. Someone has probably already done something similar. The diatomaceous earth suggested by Ken (and the entire system) seemed like the best idea, but not on a shoe string budget. The fish tank filter may work fine, but is not a high quality filter. You would need to see how well the fish tank filtered the water, then improve the system by experimenting with aerators, and better larger filters or filter medium as you learn. People at this site have some very good ideas about filters and filter mediums and similar information has been discussed. Check it out. An old food safe five gal. bucket that held pickles or other food would work as a reservoir for the drinking water. I suspect a 4 ft 4 inch PVC pipe filled with filter medium would make a good filter. A connection between the bucket and filter, at the bottom would fill the drinking water reservoir. Put an overflow tube on top and a faucet on the bottom of the bucket. You could simply pour water in the filter tube, use the pump to continually filter or make the system automatic. The system could be connected to your plumbing and made automatic fairly simple with the addition of salvaged parts from a refrigerator with an ice maker. I think the biggest problem may be the volume and speed of flow from the pump which could make the filter tube and bucket overflow. Double stacked, cheap 6 dollar timers for the pump would solve the problem.
Can't you just filter your drinking water through cloth? That should trap a large portion of the suspended particulate.
Here's a good article on the subject:Quote:
Originally Posted by UnknownWarrior
http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Whole-Ho...alth&id=707038
As an alternative, here's one example of the diatomaceous earth primary filter I suggested earlier. Simply tie the incoming water line to the intake and connect your indoor plumbing to the outlet. MAKE SURE YOU USE FOOD GRADE DIATOMACEOUS EARTH and NOT regular pool filter D.E. The filter is priced at $295.00.
http://secure.poolcenter.com/images/...TAR_FILTER.jpg
http://secure.poolcenter.com/prodinfo.asp?number=180050
Here is what an in-line charcoal filter looks like. There are dozens of types on the market. I have one connected to each of my ice makers. The installation is very simple to complete.
http://www.partsquik.com/prod/images/4392949.jpg
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