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Ah, let's not run off down the religion path. It's against the rules.
I see your point, but I disagree with the time frame. I'm pretty positive that they will get behind this initiative, and with 10 years have the RFID drivers license mandated across all 50 states, or no more federal funding. Just like they did with the drinking limit. If a state chose not to raise it to 21, cool, no problem, no more funds for roads, schools etc. until you comply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
As far as the horrible track records you provide, agreed, they've dropped the ball many times. But if you look at the track record of the articles I provided, obviously they don't care about controlling sensitive information THAT much, theirs or ours. See, the majority of the sheeple will comply with the RFID drivers license and globalized repository of data for accessing your information. Anyone that is an anomaly in the system (i.e.: you stand out for NOT having an RFID drivers license) is then fairly subjected to undue scrutiny because they have no ID.
I know this hasn't happened to most of the members on here as your all good upstanding members of society, Did you know it is a crime to not have an ID on you in todays society? Drivers license, or ID, it doesn't matter. The cop has to be able to positively ID you. If not, they can detain you until they are able to verify your identity. If they lose patience? They just run you in on a class C misdemeanor until the fingerprint ID comes back at the station. I've literally sat on the side of the road, in handcuffs, with 5 other people, for 3 hours because one 15 year old girl did not have a drivers license or ID and the trooper wouldn't just call her parents, he wanted to go through dispatch to try and verify her. 15! She didn't even HAVE and ID yet! . Why did he pull us over? You might say it was because we looked suspicious. I'm sure that crew would have at least drawn his attention walking down the street. But no, he pulled us over because he randomly ran our plates and the owner of the vehicle had a warrant for failure to appear on a traffic ticket. She wasn't even in the vehicle.
I'm setting a reminder in my google calendar to revisit this topic in a year, just for s***'s and grins. I'd like to see if your above prediction is right, or if my suspicions are correct and they do push ahead with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
No, I don't believe they would vote for forcing people to get chipped. Everything I've said in support of this theory has not been about being "chipped" by being implanted, but by putting in an ID or drivers license and then FORCING you to have that for the various activities you want to complete, such as grocery shopping or registering a gun or dog. (Which they are trying to start assigning a fee to and force registration numbers, higher fees for unsterilized animals, etc.) You can check the AKC website for current legislation they are fighting.)Quote:
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However, if they can get that going in 5 years, what's to say 15 years later they don't make it "voluntary" and make it such and inconvenient PITA that "everyone does it". Again, those that don't are the anamoly and will be subjected to undue scrutiny.
Yes. how easy would it be to consolidate those data sources? All they have to do is write one central application that can access all of those systems until each system can be switched over to a universal format. Time consuming? Yes. Resource Intensive? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
But hey, it's part of the "Hope" we are driving towards, and part of the economic stimulus package. All that consolidation and co-ordination work is going to create jobs, you know. Let's start with health care...
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They HAVE indoctrinated the children. Every single one of them has a cell phone, an IPOD, a myspace account. It's all about consolidation. Let's take their internet life for example. Everyone wanted the social networking sites consolidated. Now you can integrate myspace, facebook, twitter, AIM, Yahoo cat etc. all into one neat little device that you carry around with you that has a Network Unique ID and GPS or at the very least the ability to triangulate your position based on you passing data to the cell towers.
The whole chipping for the club scene bit...How many 21 year old kids do you know that would give it a second thought, or even look up from their iPhone? Most I know would keep texting while holding out their arm to receive the implant. They don't fear technology the way a lot of adults do. They have been inundated with it since Berners Lee introduced the world wide web and the push for a always on broadband connection in every house started. We're even doing it to children in third world countries. Sure, we say it's to help their development educationally, and it is, but that's only the primary effect. It helps integrate kids who can't get food that technology is a wonderous and miraculous thing, and the shiny blinky gifts from the armani suited white man are a good thing.
(Google the "laptop for every child" foundation or whatever. It's that green crank powered laptop.)
And yes, to this day I can still remember the pledge of allegiance. Which just goes to further my point. Our kids aren't nationalized, their globalized. We took that out to make other nationalities happy and to ensure equality, blah blah blah. We are slowly but surely becoming a society where anything offensive to another person is banned. Freedom of speech? Sure. Just don't get sued for libel or slander. One helluva an example our President is setting with his "Truth Squad" no?
After thinking on some of my previous comments further, I don't think it will be guns that get outlawed. I think it will be the 2nd amendment being repealed first, and then it will become a crime to do anything violent that disturbs the peaceful serenity of society. In San Antonio you can't even carry a lock blade, or fixed blade. The only blade you can carry around in the city unless it is to or from work is a small non-locking pocket knife (i.e. swiss army).
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Thank you Ken. It had been a long time since I read that. Stirs up some emotions. I've got some more reading to do now.
how long before they reword that because it references a "creator"? You can argue that you still have your liberty as long as they know who you are...blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Not to take anything away from the power of words quoted at all. What that group of individuals did when writing that document has defined a large part of who I am.
What really scares me and kinda has me thinking along the lines of Smok, that this may become a reality, is that in general, Society seems to be growing weaker and more complacent. The type of individual that frequents this board is the exception. I searched for a conversation, but I couldn't find it. Someone made a statement along the lines of "I'm the type of guy that people love to have around in an emergency, but the rest of the time they never want to see me". Survivalists have always been "fringe" and I think the mainstream societal consensus will be to lay down like a beaten dog and take this.
You may have rebellions, but, while I admire their courage and tenacity, and they were never beaten, did the tactics the IRA use really work? No. Eventually it just turned everyone against THEM for the bloodshed, and Sean Finn is now the only option. How are they handling it? Just fine. They like licking the Crown's boots Not that I wouldn't be one of the rebels doing everything I could to stop it, but being that outarmed the outlook is grim.
Lol. To an extent I'm just kinda playing devils advocate here and playing the tape all the way through. Someone can tell me to shut up at anytime.
Where the hell is Remy? I'd kind like to hear his perspective on this...
Sorry. My rant was on implantation. I agree with you on this one. RFIDs offer a cost effective way to transport information so it only makes sense that it will happen. Not just driver's license but throughout our lives. If you read through the other post on this, RFIDS can tell your washing machine how to wash your shirt or tell your microwave how to cook your lunch. Inevitiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
I think it says a lot more about advertising and mass marketing than it does about government. No different than smoking advertisements of the '40s, '50s and '60s. Again, reaching out to the kiddies.Quote:
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The natural extension of clan, tribe, village, city, state, country. We grow and expand. Globalization was always the natural end game. Who knows, some day we may be saying buy Earth and admonishing Martian imports (I'm assume we colonize and not some alien thingy).Quote:
Which just goes to further my point. Our kids aren't nationalized, their globalized.
Already happening. I posted on that in the other thread.Quote:
The whole chipping for the club scene bit.
You seem to have a whole lot more faith that our government is organized enough to pull off some conspiracy of, frankly, gigantic proportions. I don't think it's that good. Don't get me wrong, I support our government. It's the best thing going. But the truth is it's very fragmented with each department concerned about their own well being. If our government were an ant hill each ant (department) would be in it for themselves. You see them all working together toward a more or less common goal. I just don't think the government, as a whole, is that capable. Only a dictatorship, monarchy or some other form of autoacracy has the real ability to control all aspects of the government. I'd be a lot more concerned if I lived in North Korea, Libya or some similar place. "Big Brother or "Chancellor Palpatine" would stand a better chance of existing in those places.
IMHO, of course.
yeah, I looked at implementing some of the X10 stuff for people as a side business but dropped it for various reasons. Good hobby stuff though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Viral marketing schemes are the way everything is done now. It's what today's generations are programmed to respond to.Quote:
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lol. Not really. I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy or anything. I'm just saying that for ease of management this is the system we are headed towards. It all depends on your viewpoint. Some people will see it as a utopian future where they can blissfully skate through life, and others will see it as an Orwellian nightmare of gargantuan proportions. I personally see it as a new system with the same flaw as the old system, human error. Eventually they'll get most of the kinks worked out of the system, and it'll probably run about the same as it does now, just without the blockades in the data flows between systems. It'll still be the same old cycle of the bad guys trying to circumvent the system, the good guys re-acting and trying to be pro-active, and the general population having no real consensus about where to go because of such a diversity of viewpoints. There will just be a lot more concise "paper trail" for them to look at if they have reason to, since no matter what you do, your unique digital ID will be fingerprinted on it, and since they'll have your DNA attached to your ID (anyone who was in the military already has DNA on file, and if your kid has been fingerprinted by DARE or as part of a "field trip" to the police station, so is theres most likely. They were doing mouth swabs as well as prints here) any physical evidence you leave behind can then be associated to you as well.Quote:
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I don't think it's a global conspiracy, but I do think criminal accountability is a large part of it. After all, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." Right?
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Oop...-Offender.html
"The Texas Department of Public Safety apologized Friday and accepted blame for mistakenly posting a Dallas woman's name and photo on the state's sex offender Web site for nearly five years."
And as far as "big brother", he's already here. No, I don't think he's monitoring all of my communications and following me, all that crap. But there have been several recent discussions about undue scrutiny from the feds based on basic keywords. Flag yourself on their radar, and boom, now they are, until they determine if you are a threat to national security. Isn't what all those domestic wiretapping news articles were about, guantanemo bay, the whole nine?Quote:
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As far as chancellor Palpatine, I don't think there is anyone charismatic enough that has stepped up since Hitler. Kennedy maybe, but he didn't make it long enough. Obama is just an oily snake imho and while he is charismatic, is more self-centered and self-serving than anything else. However, I'm sure you remember the Haliburton scandal, and since I'm pretty sure you follow the news, are aware of a few others;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_oligarchy
Not that I think it's an oligarchy to the extent of Bilderburg or anything, but to me it appears that the country is going to get steered one way or the other depending on which good ol' boy network is in charge of it. We just shifted power to the new group. I'm sure I'm not the only one of you that is sitting back to watch how this unfolds.
of course. same here.Quote:
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Hmmm. I'll have to think up a good argument for something you said up there. It all makes too much sense for me to agree with.:thumbup1:
Well the chipping was only a small part of what I see . The money or cashless society is just as big of a concern . Here is one for you... You go to a yard sale and you buy some thing for $100.oo there is NO TAX paid on it and this goes on all the time .. Now with a card / chip or some other form of Cashless way then you will always be Taxed and they will always know what you are buying and doing .. They can stop you at any time by just closing down your card / chip no more money .. If we do not fall in line that is what they would do.....Here is another one ...It would be very hard to be an Illegal alien in a Cashless society no way for you to get paid
Well, you have that today in a Business to Business world and even in a Business to Consumer world. I purchase items all the time from manufacturers and no cash changes hands. And I pay no tax unless it happens to be an Intrastate purchase. I then turn around and sell that same commodity to end users and no cash changes hands. I don't charge sales tax either unless it happens to be an Intrastate sale.
I have to send in state sales tax on a periodic basis and I fill out the form as to what my sales are and what I owe in sales tax.
I understand what you are saying but 1) the technology exists today and isn't used and 2) you are referencing a cashless society, which is a federal mandate and comparing it to sales tax which is the jurisdiction of each state not the feds.
And given my luck, my computer will be gay.Quote:
i am saying our towers will come equipped with vaginas and penises
So when I complain about my computer being f****d up, it really will be? I hop these sex crazed computers are equipped with some way to clean up after themselves. Now I have to look forward to one day walking into this room and seeing my computer laying back smoking a cigarette....
That would stop SHARING computers
rofl. somehow that was NOT what I was expecting. Anyway, thanks for the input Remy.
For all of you that don't remember the fu-fme drives, (which is such an old internet joke you can't even really find anything but passing references to it) There is a site that offers somethinng similar. I can't post a link, but if you google "fu-fme drive slashdong" you'll get it. :)
Buy yourself the biggest damm magnet you can and perhaps a capaciter. this way you can incapacitate the dammed thingy. As to the living off the land... it's not easy but it is also not extremely difficult.
:noway::laugh::laugh::stuart: I am still laughing on that one .Remy your right there is big money in that tip of working Computer ..But I too did not expect you to go there ! But I would say we all needed the laugh Thank You ...Kind makes me rethink the hole chipping thing LOL LOL :w00t::oops:Just kidding
Years ago I would have laughed, now I think over time it's possible. We are kinda backward around here. Still have the Pledge with under God, prayer and anthem before high school football games and nobody complains. We think what we want and if we don't care for it we keep our mouth shut. My grandkids were all home schooled because of the daughter in law's knowledge of the school system. I was surprised at the number of children being home schooled today. We have in WV & KY more enlistments than most states. I always hear complaints about the government, but no worries about implanted information. Like most of us Rednecks or Hillbillies we would resist something like this and we do or do not worship as we please. Guess we really are backward just like the liberal parts of the country describe us. We were never "forced" to say the pledge or stand and sing our anthem, we wanted it.
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Oh, you didn't know? Patriotism is sooooooooo George Bush....
Although I live in Thailand, even if I were still in US I wouldn't worry about this. The govt. cannot keep track of all the illegal aliens, much less try to keep track of all the legal citizens. The fact is, the government is not all that interested in you or me and what we are doing or where we are, unless we stop paying taxes, then maybe they will look. There are not enough resources to monitor the terrorist suspects in America. Why bother trying to keep track of everybody? This kind of idea is good for sci-fi movies and conspiracy theories, but as a practical matter it makes no sense. If everyone in America had a chip planted in them, who exactly would collect this information. How many people would the govt. need to employ for this? The real point is noone cares that much about what we are doing to spend the time and money on a gigantic mess like this.