Like several of you, I'd do just fine if game, fin fish, and shellfish (and other unmentionables like slugs) were added to the list. Wild plants would supplement/compliment my diet, but there's no way I would be able to survive on just those alone. Does anyone know where to find wild hops, wheat, and barley? :drink:
in familiar territory, its easy. put a canadian in the sanora (without prior training) his chances are reduced. and then there is the problem with exposure to the elements. when the wood wont burn and your clothes are wet,as you plod through a winter freezing rain, miles and miles from help,survilal turns into suffering. I can tell you because i have been there.sometimes survival means "how much suffering can you endure,when your knowledge cant stop the cold ,the wet, the injuries,the exaustion......ect.
w.e. means any thing you can get your hands on and that would be fish, critters,plants ect. I would say yes I could survie and will because if you don't have the will you will not.
I could probably be pretty happy in the summer and fall but winter and spring would be my undoing. Without protein from fish and animals I'd probably be in trouble, too.
Farmer: "Hey, you! Get out of my garden."
Me: "Sorry, I thought these tomatoes were wild plants."
Well, If wild edibles includes fish and game, then the poll results are most likely not valid.
I can ID more than thirty edible plants in my area but am not confident that I could find enough of them to eat all year round. I voted yes I could survive but am not totally cetain of my answer. Edible animals would definatly increase mine or anyone elses survivability.
I hate to admit it, but wild edibles are one of my weaknesses. I know a handfull and most of them are native to New England.
My knowledge of wild edibles is very limited. There are an abundance of fruit and nut trees in the area. I could probably make a go of it for a while, but not long term. I would not however (nor do I think many would) exclude fish and game. I don't survive now as a vegetarian, so I see no reason to do so in a wilderness setting either.
I'd slap starve to death if I tried to live off of edibles.
That's why I have guaranteed protein getter. Go to the hardware store and get one of those large traditional wooden rat traps. Drill a hole big enough to tie on some paracord, tie to tree limb, set on top of limb with a little bit of peanut butter as bait and wait. You'll get a squirrel guarenteed.
I'd have to hunt and fish as well...it may be possible here without meat...but I couldn't do it
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ditto for me
Same here, I know the area where I live very well. If W.E. Includes meat and fish, For sure, With out, For a while yes, Long term No.:tongue_smilie:
I do know the greenery in my area but I consider it a salad before the meat or fish. Do I know them, yes. Could I live on them, no I ain't a rabbit. I need meat or fish.
I'm like gryffynklm. I don't know how to hunt. Yet. But I've learned to make snares. And I can fish most seasons except deep winter. Ice is an issue without a drill or a decent axe.
Plants on the other hand, I know. At least for the Northeast. I was a botany major in college with a couple of professors that let us eat our lab material when it was edible. But I still won't do wild mushies. They scare me.
A winter would be tough dumped out in the middle of it but if you had the fall to prepare, it might not be so horrible. Unpleasant maybe. The first time.
Hops do grow wild in many places that used to be old farms. It's convincing the new farmer with the gun that you really aren't stealing his wheat and barley... LOL.
shankfisher you are new to me, so i do not mean to offend with what i am going to say but, if you follow what you post you will be dead very fast, nevr and i mean nevr watch what animals eat, i have seen deer and rabbits eat the deadly amanita mushroom "smooth parasol and destroying angel" with zero ill effects. and i personally think the edibility test is crap.some toxins can be removed by cooking others cannot.Quote:
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as to the poll, personally stated that i know my wild edibles but could not sustain on them, what they do for me is prolong my supplies and keep me alive in an emergency situation. i know a few that could live of of what the woods provide,but i am also saying that they live off of wilderness foods. what you say semantics, wild edibles, wilderness foods, wild is wild be it a bear or berry
as to sarges question , some area would be over run with folks trampling over food to try to find food, other areas such as where i live would be able to with stand the few folks who do know what they are doing in the bush. as i have stated before i moved here after years of consideration from arizona after going over a map of the states and canda and decided my best opportunity was here.
You should be careful what you condemn. This is a general rule, widely taught by professional, credible survival experts. As for mushrooms, the answer is simple; I was trained simply to not eat mushrooms. And as for the edibility test being crap, well, this is exactly what you'll encounter in E&E training. Certainly real expertise trumps the test, but nevertheless, this is not "crap" advice. YMMV.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
no need to be careful condeming not eating what animals eat. you don't know me so let me give you a heads up. i am also well trained as an army ranger been around lots of operatives, i have been to wild edibles schools and train with one of the best in the world in allan beauchamp also train with a native elder and a woman who lives in the bush, while a fellow named tammarack song will suggest watching the animals to learn from them, we do not eat what they eat, we eat them. i would like to know who has trained you. sorry to say you are way off and would likely harm someone here with your info, i am sure you feel strongly about what you have been taught, but personally you might want to do allot more research when it comes to wild edibles, this is not something that i study it is what i live, please do not read more into this than is intended i mean only to educate you, and help you along in your training. if i do not mean any offence with my post
You apply that rule AND the food test rule, not the singular.Quote:
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This is all great to know -- my training was in the military, too. If you went to some of those schools, these things should be recognizable to you. If you've got more training in wild edibles, good on you.Quote:
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Again, the two rules go together -- not singularly. In particular, if you are in an unknown area, or dealing with unknown edibles, you watch and test.Quote:
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Well, if I am way off, and don't think I am, you need to inform the U.S. Army. It's "off" too. Again, if you been to these schools and "live this," you should know I'm not blowing smoke.Quote:
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Why do people on forums always resort to correcting someone's writing when an argument brews?
I'm not Military trained but I got better things to do when surviving than trying a little of this or a little of that to see if it will kill me before the weather does. Long term on a deserted island maybe. Not in the here and now.
I'm glad someone touched on the subject of the sheer numbers of people who would be out there trying to survive in the same place you are trying to survive. And how many of them may be trying to kill you in the process, either inadvertently or on purpose. It would sure not be a pretty scenario if everyone, say in the outer environs of NYC, tried to live off the WEs in the Catskills.
without fish or game id be done after a week