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Originally Posted by hopeak
No....we had a CCW permit system. The Governor said. By executive order: Everyone over 21 can carry concealed, period. the only exception is convicted felons. They have to carry illegally.....:eek:
I'm not sure I'm understanding you hopeak, please forgive. Here in Illinois we have to have a freaking "FOID" card (firearm owner's identification card) to own a weapon. We can not ccw, legally. There is a way around it that is questionable, in which there is a special pouch that has a place to carry the magazine and a place to carry the weapon. Personally I'm not willing to test that way of doing it. There are occasional times when I will carry when I have to go do work in bad neighborhoods, but that's not too often.
We have no Cards and we have no Permits, and anyone who is 21 year old, and not a convicted felon can carry concealed, Period. It is called being FREE to be a responsible person.
Sure wished that was true here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeak
Hopeak, is a background check needed in AK to purchase?
The only requirement for Indiana's CCW is just ask. You have a couple of different options like personal protection or for hunting (you can carry while hunting if you have a personal protection permit). Get your little pinkies inked, do a background check and it's yours. Oh, yea....pay your yen.
The short answer is: NO. If you buy 5 handguns at one time there is a special form. and if you buy more than 10 handguns at one time the FFL dealer has to call the FBI office. (this is a issue for me as I sometimes have a lot of handguns on consignment at the dealer for sale, and if I pick them all up at one time, they call the FBI).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
But if you are a Alaska resident buying one or four handguns from a FFL dealer you need proof of address, it can be a letter mailed to you, drivers lic. car registration, etc. (Remember lots of people live where there is no road, and don't need a drivers lic.
You still fill out the Federal form, (and lie that you are not crazy), pay for the gun only, and leave the store with the gun at the time you buy it.
Here in Illinois it's a 3 day wait on handguns, 24 hours on long guns, plus your FOID card and they check with the FBI.
Not so sure I like that idea, nor Alaska's. I mean, they do a background check here, fingerprints, fee, and oh yeah, a written test, and the best part, a qualification. :) I've seen guys pass everything only to FAIL at the range. I personally believe if you can't hit what your aiming at you should NOT be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. But then again, those are probably the guys that shoot off their toes practicing quick draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
The whole thing is STUPID. I have tables at nearly every gun show. (I am not a FFL Lic. Dealer) So I can sell to anyone who is not talking crazy about killing someone. They give me money, I give them the gun, no questions, no forms. It is totally legal.
I was just looking at the murders in Alaska in 2007, and about 30% were with a kitchen knife. It will be 50% this year as a 17 year old in Sitka, Alaska killed 4 or 5 family members with a knife. Maybe we should require permits for kitchen knives.
*shrug* to each his own. I'm sure the population density of Alaska probably has something to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeak
And I can still go to a gun show and buy a gun the same way. Same if I buy a gun from a friend. However, to get a CCW license, you have to show some RESPONSIBILITY.
I also feel somewhat secure in knowing that if I'm someplace, and something goes down, and Billy decides to be a hero and skin leather with that smoke iron, I won't get shot cause he's PROVEN he can HIT WHAT HE AIMS AT.
If you guys want to keep giving anyone a gun, go for it. I just don't agree with it.
Alpine - The only difference for us is the qualifications. They do a criminal and crazy background check. The criminals don't even have to ask and they pay less than wholesale.:mad:
lol. yup yup. The only state I KNOW does a qual test is Texas. But hey, look at it this way, if you jump through their hoops and pay a little more, it saves you getting a felony conviction for illegally carrying a weapon with a body or two attributed to it. Then you get a murder investigation and all kinds of stuff. :) I think I'd rather give'em my finger prints and take their tests than do 25 to life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Rick, sorry about the Cougar 45, it's a sweet carry gun. I have handguns 22 cal to 44mag this is how I carry:Normally-Cougar '45 IWB, S&W Mod 60 '38 cal first up handloaded snake shot., IWB, Walther PPK/S 380-suit & tie or real warm weather IWB, beach(walking only)- Beretta mod 25, 22LR fits in pocket of trunks. Hunt-22 or 22mag Rugers, 357 Blackhawk, 44mag Redhawk. 41cal-don't know why I keep it, 40cal compact Beretta Cougar(never fired, don't like 40), couple of 9mm don't like except for high cap. 45, 38, 380 I use Federal Personal Defense loads. To Stony ( who wants to do away with 2nd Amendment) I have carried concealed well over 40 yrs, never pulled my gun. One thing to remember lots of folks on this forum have used weapons on men before and not for fun probably starting with Korea. If we are forced to pull a weapon it will be used, wouldn't carry dead weight around. At my age my preferred weapon is my cane(walking stick) and it can be deadly also. Some folks, even an old f@@@ like me can kill with other things or nothing. Best think before you decide that old man won't pull the trigger.
I guess the old man remark is really why I'm looking for some heftier fire power. When I was younger I didn't worry too much about stuff. Could handle myself through most things. Now days, I'm a stone's throw from over the hill and the arthritis probably already hurts worse than any beating I'd take. But folks today don't fight any more. They seem to think a gun is the answer for everything.
Well sure, we're taught that in school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Teacher: Ok class, what's 6+6? Suzy?
Suzy: 12.
Teacher: 12 what?
Suzy: guage.
Teacher: Correct. Now, what's 5+4? Johnny?
Johnny: 9 milllie.
Teacher: Very good.
That's pretty cute. I like that.
At this age I'm paying for the sins of my youth. More aches and pains than I care to yap about. I'm being constantly reminded by my wife when I come across inconsiderate idiots, that the asses I once was able to kick, will more than likely kick mine.
We are cautious about where we go, specifically the local mall which on the weekends is a gangbangers paradise. It's unfortunate that law abiding people in an area like where we live have to adjust their lives around potential problems.
As much as I would like to ccw, our laws won't permit it and I just can't afford to have to defend myself in a court of law if caught carrying one illegally. I do carry a can of pepper spray and have never had to use it, nor do I ever wish to. I'd rather it be my pistol, but sometimes avoiding trouble is a good prevention too.
Oh, not sometimes. It's the BEST tool you have. Everything else, hands, knives, guns, bazookas come after you've failed at avoidance.
uh..yea that too... After a night of nursing pork and a day of eating it till the smoke is coming out my pores, my sentence structure, which usually sucks anyway, sucks more today. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
The sucking sound you hear is your body trying to pull the pork closer I'm sure.