This world has gone crazy.

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It's just one more day in America.

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Unfortunately, it is. But, that doesn't mean it has to be the case tomorrow.

Last year a contingency of law enforcement officers opened fire on an unarmed man whose vehicle had stopped and no intention or reason was given for the officers actions. Immediately after the incident they confiscated and destroyed phones rather than render aid to the people that they had shot in the cross fire. We did nothing.

Like Katrina when the cops grabbed guns in unlawful searches and seizures because they felt the area was unsafe because of criminal activity! our greatest action was against law enforcement officers who murdered people intentionally. People they knew were unarmed and posed no threat. But, whose skin was the wrong color.

The guy we have been talking about was under the scope of a sniper. I can't see how a guy who was sitting cross legged on the ground posed that immediate of a threat even if he had a firearm. The sniper could have called the shots.

I am not trying to persecute these two cops. I wasn't there. But, tomorrow doesn't have to be just like today and that guy doesn't have to have died in vain. When a cop dies everybody learns and adapts. But, when a guy with a water nozzle is shot down, or a kid with an airsoft gun gets shot by a cop, they just should have known better?

Kool aid ain't my cup of tea...

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Originally Posted by Rick

Seriously. Have you guys studied world history? American history? Have you ever heard of Al Capone and organized crime in the U.S., slavery, Battle of Blair Mountain, the Civil War, the Pullman Strike, the Scopes Monkey Trial, Wounded Knee, Witch hunts, Dust Bowl Days, the treatment of America's indigenous peoples, Japanese internment during WWII? Anything ring a bell? We have it so cushy today. If we had to endure 1/10 of what past generations have had to put up with I think most of us would have given up long before now. It's just one more day in America.

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I think we are about to find out, you can only pile the crap! so high before it all comes tumblen down.

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Originally Posted by Batch

Unfortunately, it is. But, that doesn't mean it has to be the case tomorrow.

Last year a contingency of law enforcement officers opened fire on an unarmed man whose vehicle had stopped and no intention or reason was given for the officers actions. Immediately after the incident they confiscated and destroyed phones rather than render aid to the people that they had shot in the cross fire. We did nothing.

Like Katrina when the cops grabbed guns in unlawful searches and seizures because they felt the area was unsafe because of criminal activity! our greatest action was against law enforcement officers who murdered people intentionally. People they knew were unarmed and posed no threat. But, whose skin was the wrong color.

The guy we have been talking about was under the scope of a sniper. I can't see how a guy who was sitting cross legged on the ground posed that immediate of a threat even if he had a firearm. The sniper could have called the shots.

I am not trying to persecute these two cops. I wasn't there. But, tomorrow doesn't have to be just like today and that guy doesn't have to have died in vain. When a cop dies everybody learns and adapts. But, when a guy with a water nozzle is shot down, or a kid with an airsoft gun gets shot by a cop, they just should have known better?

Kool aid ain't my cup of tea...

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The only point i disagree with is the air soft gun, some look very real even in daylight, It should be treated as a real gun. if orders are given to drop it and they are not. well sorry!!!!

Since police shootings of suspects holding something mistaken for a gun happens, what about totally unarmed suspects? such as the guy that went zombie from bath salts. couldn't they have done something else other than shooting him several times? should those cops face charges because they went straight to lethal force.

There are some significant differences between now and then - the major one is the disconnect between individuals and their neighbors. People used to rely on each other because they had to - for survival. Today the dictum is "Look out for number One" and "I don't need anyone else." We don't have to rely on others (we don't think)."

Rick you listed some pretty disturbing things in our past but "people" didn't have to put up with them. Most people were barely affected by them. Only certain groups were all that much affected. Even the depression - a lot of people got through that because they networked and there was still a lot of things that worked. We're headed in the direction of a situation in which nothing works.

I don't believe we've ever experienced what's coming.

My list was not all inclusive either. Only a very small list of major events used to illustrate that we don't have a monopoly on crazy. Every generation before us has had their hands full and often with things much more terrible than anything we've even contemplated. The plague. Potato famine. How's that?

Restricted in geographical area.......I don't see this as restricted (except maybe to the Earth). But you are right in that the same problems have always been around, they've just been building exponentially - we're coming into the steep part of the curve.

Part of it is like the checkout person who has gotten so used to cashiering on the computer that they can't do it by hand anymore - then the power goes. We're too dependent on our technology and the majority have accepted that in place of reliance on each other, and even on ourselves.

Yes it has gone crazy......a few years back me and the wife were out on a weekend night. I get a phone call from a neighbor asking if i'm having trouble.
Huh? I'm shooting pool what do u mean?

Turns out a neighbor had a bat in the house and called the police. They ended up catching it in a pillow case and shooting it in the yard with a shotgun.

I'll never understand that......I thought all u needed for bats was a tennis racket????

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I'll never understand that......I thought all u needed for bats was a tennis racket????

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Only if you're well versed in the great outdoors.

You win. You've got the best story.

A definitive confirmation that the world had gone bat$hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbgPyws4-Wc

(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...warning-shots/

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Originally Posted by BENESSE

(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...warning-shots/

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Yep. Following the advice of the Vice President of the United States can land you in jail. I sure hope the defense council calls him to testify.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq2FoGND6uw

Since when do the police get a free pass on EVERYTHING that they are involved in? They have become militarized, and look nothing like "police". They serve no knock warrents at the wrong house, kill protective dogs and innocent people (some asleep in their beds), shoot without provocation and then say "ooops" with impunity? Elected DA's don't do anything about it, the Blue Line gets wider and wider and the copsuckers in this country puff up their chests and defend actions that the Founding Fathers would have taken up arms against! Google the likes of Erik Scott or Todd Blair. The "accidents" being continually excused because the people involved are the "police" are a symptom of the police state becoming a reality. The actions common place today in every community are the actions protested by the minority communities back in the 1950's, 60's and 70's as police brutality. If you allow them to abuse and take your rights then ............. they will.

I would suggest it's the exception rather than the norm. There are hundreds of thousands of LEOs in this country it's pretty rare to hear about an accidental shooting like this. And when it happens it's big news. There's never an article in the paper that says, "Our LEO's did a great job today arresting two on outstanding warrants and three drunk drivers". You'll never read that.

On the flip side, We have one local LEO currently in jail on charges and two other local LEOs that have recently been suspended for wrong doing.

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I would suggest it's the exception rather than the norm. There are hundreds of thousands of LEOs in this country it's pretty rare to hear about an accidental shooting like this. And when it happens it's big news. There's never an article in the paper that says, "Our LEO's did a great job today arresting two on outstanding warrants and three drunk drivers". You'll never read that.

On the flip side, We have one local LEO currently in jail on charges and two other local LEOs that have recently been suspended for wrong doing.

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Hardly the exception friend it's now the rule. As for "rare" that is hardly the case. (I was unable to post the links to the information to substantiate this because they were "denied" by the site) As for those being "prosecuted" the Police Union is all powerful and there was an officer sentenced to jail (and served felony time) who just became the Chief of a department twenty miles down the road from where he was busted originally. Some departments don't require you passing your POST for a year and your on the street with zero training. The entire system of enforcement is to provide fodder for the private prison system. We have more people incarcerated in the US than Stalin had in the Gulags at the height of his power. It's another facet you need to be prepared for to "survive". We just witnessed martial law and the complete violation of citizen rights after the Boston bombings and the press treated it like it was OK. Many communities would not have put up with the police searching their homes without warrants. Equipment used in Iraq on city streets with the word "Police" on them is not what this country was founded to become.
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Beware,you can be arrested and charged now for simply having a p. cooker.
Read the last lines in this story.So Ken,what do you think?

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/bosto...8/-/index.html

I wont get into the inner workings of Law enforcement, etc etc.
I will say two things, First No matter who you are or what your status is if you break a law you should face prosecution. second, there seems to be a lot of stereo typing LEO's as of late, I bet it would Pi$$ of a lot if not all of the people here If were to to make the same judgmental and biased comments using Black, Or Muslims or Jews in the same context as some do with LEO's. What if I made the statement about the kid Zimmerman shot to this effect Oh well no big lose, just another black kid got what he deserved" Pretty racist and one sided right? But that isn't my feelings at all .

I fail to see the comparison between LEO's and race,religion or even Zimmerman.
You kinda lost me.