Executive Order

Yes, I think you may be right unless this passes:

H.J.Res. 15: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby ...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15/text

Which it never would pass unless quite a big event happened. It will amount to nothing. I just hate to see that there is anyone out there introducing such things.
The voice of the people means quite a bit yet. There aren't enough jail cells if too many are criminalized for having guns. Too many people would protest if their friends and relatives were in jail.

Miss B, I hope you are correct. However as a veteran I can tell you that the VA asks a lot of questions about my mental health and if I own guns. A wrong answer can have the police knocking on your door.

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Originally Posted by SARKY

Miss B, I hope you are correct. However as a veteran I can tell you that the VA asks a lot of questions about my mental health and if I own guns. A wrong answer can have the police knocking on your door.

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Have they?

I am in cahoots with many vets from many eras.

The gov is not doing this and if they do, that's the final straw for many of us. I just hope the first victim of tyranny plays it well enough fpr the media not to twist it too hard.

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Miss B, I hope you are correct. However as a veteran I can tell you that the VA asks a lot of questions about my mental health and if I own guns. A wrong answer can have the police knocking on your door.

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I know it's a slippery slope and I have no good answers.
As with anything that can turn deadly, people have a compulsion to want to prevent it and it usually goes overboard.

I believe what ever they do will be unconstitutional.

I have heard a minimal amount about the VA asking about mental health and guns. I have no direct knowledge of any of this, but I think any real abuse would be cause for young people to eliminate military service from their options. That would be a catastrophe for the country and the world.

Can anyone provide more information on what is actually happening?

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I have heard a minimal amount about the VA asking about mental health and guns. I have no direct knowledge of any of this, but I think any real abuse would be cause for young people to eliminate military service from their options. That would be a catastrophe for the country and the world.

Can anyone provide more information on what is actually happening?

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Why do you think?

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Originally Posted by BENESSE

Why do you think?

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Why would an 18 year old want to risk getting labeled as a mental case, ruining his job prospects and gun ownership rights for the rest of his life? Military service is a sacrifice without that added burden. I want our veterans armed, not labeled as mental health risks.

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Why would an 18 year old want to risk getting labeled as a mental case, ruining his job prospects and gun ownership rights for the rest of his life? Military service is a sacrifice without that added burden. I want our veterans armed, not labeled as mental health risks.

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I didn't get an impression that every vet was labeled a mental case by default.
But serious mental impairments do exist in the general population of which vets are part.
As a vet you shouldn't be targeted nor exempt from background checks. We all have the same rights.

This whole thing just sucks, that's all I got right now!

My understanding is that currently the VA can declare a patient mentally incompetent where as other medical treatment facilities have to go through the courts to have that done. IIRC Senator Coburn tried to codify that into another bill (requiring a court proceeding) and it met stiff resistance.

Lenin and Stalin, et al, had a quick solution for the "mental health" problem in their country. Anyone deemed "mentally defective" by the State, was sent to the gulags in Siberia, where "Work makes you sane," or a bullet in the back of the head.

The State's diagnosis of "mentally defective" was applied to anyone who was considered "counter revolutionary." There were a hundred different definitions of "counter revolutionary," which were also called "politically incorrect statements, actions, and thoughts." Anyone who even mentioned some disagreement with the State's policies and dictates was "politically incorrect" which meant that person was just naturally "crazy as a crap house mouse," so off to the gulag he or she would go, or "to the wall." Informants were everywhere, from little children to old men and women. They would "denounce" the politically incorrect to the Government.

Now suppose -- just supposin' -- here in the U.S., to combat "mental health problems related to firearms," the Ruler declares that any citizen who owns a firearm, or who disagrees with the policies of the Ruler, is "mentally defective" and must be "cured" by the magnanimous State.

Farfetched?? Wild scenario?? I am reminded of a statement made years ago by a very well to do German woman after WW II. (Paraphrasing.) She was asked, "How in the world could this monster, Hitler, have come to power and do what he did?"

She answered, "We never thought it could happen. Not in the land of Beethoven."

Today, here, we scoff and say, "Not in the Land of Jefferson."

So boys and girls, be careful about how our Ruler and his toadies determine who is "mentally defective." For many years, the Far Left in D.C. and State governments, the media, academia, Hollywood, even some church organizations, with their incessant brainwashing have vomited the idea that gun owners are quite possibly "mentally defective" must be feared and must be "controlled" and disarmed.

For more than 50 years, U.S. gunowners have been vilified, denigrated, disparaged, laughed at, and turned into "vermin." The exact same thing that was done by Hitler and Goebbels to the Jews, and what Lenin/Stalin and Willi Munzenberg (Propaganda Meister of Stalin's Proletkult) did to all politically incorrect, "insane dissidents."

Nah, can't happen here. "Not in the Land of Jeffereson."

Just something to consider.

S.M.

Actually we're quite different here. We prefer to make celebrities out of our crazy people. Do you not watch TV.

Wait. That can't be right. I've never been on TV.:whistling:

Does anyone know how widespread the problem is for veterans today? I feel our veterans deserve all the protections the civilian population has at a minmum.

Not sure how widespread the problem is, but remember very well about a story of one veteran that reported to his VA doc that he had trouble sleeping following his return from Iraq. He was prescribed medications and IIRC ended up on a no fly list because of it. He had never harmed anybody following his return. He had no desire to harm himself or others. The VA is not an efficient bureaucracy.

Here's one article discussing it. http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/18/se...0000-veterans/

Furthermore - if a veteran is placed on the NICS list and don't know it - then go to purchase a firearm at a gun shop - fill out the required paperwork, answering no to ever having been adjudicated mentally ill - they stand to be charged with a felony of falsifying the paperwork to buy a firearm. If they have to defend that in court they will probably win, but at what expense?

Here's some more info on recent attempts to stop the VA from doing this and the efforts of those that oppose putting a stop to the practice. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-n...ership-2012-12

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" ... We prefer to make celebrities out of our crazy people. Do you not watch TV.

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True. Reminds me somewhat of the great novel by Joseph Heller, "Catch 22." A different time and setting, but still applicable today. The crazier you are perceived to be, the more attention you get and the less responsibility you are required to accept.

If you act crazy enough today, you too, might just get to be a celebrity!

As for watching teeeveee, well, not so much anymore. Having over the years written quite a few scripts for primetime network shows, plus a popular syndicated show, plus a feature, I've grown kinda weary of watching them.

When people ask me, "Don't you watch your own shows?"

I reply, "No, why should I? I already know the ending." :nod: Just as I can fairly easily guess the ending of most dramatic teeeveee shows.

Back to the mental health issue and "firearms," today, it is not at all unusual to hear various and sundry anti-guns people throughout all media, academia, etc., to describe honest gunowners as "morons," "idiots," or just plain "crazy," and a danger to the State. The brainwashing propaganda is continuous and systematic.

The constant demonization of a large segment of U.S. citizens, gunowners, as "dangerous, mentally deficient vermin" has been going on incessantly for at least 50 years. I'm old enough to have seen it begin. In late November of 1963, the propaganda onslaught commenced. It was afterall, the fault of honest gunowners that Oswald shot and killed Pres. J.F. Kennedy. Wasn't it?? If Big Brother had not allowed people to own guns, Oswald could not have murdered JFK, right? Stands to reason ... to the anti-guns crowd.

And they have never let up.

As I said in my previous post, "Just supposin' ...?"

S.M.

First of all, any of you that say, No way, this cant or wont happen get ahold of reality. They force you to pay them to work, you have to pay them to live on a peice of land, own a pet, drive a vehicle,eat,get sick and even when you die they take a big giant chunk. I could keep listing all the total bull they do to take your and my libertys, but whats the point. Tehy have taken our school system, you cant go to college unless they give you money, they own most of the auto industry, they bail out the crooked bankers with our worthless money. Now thats just a very small and very few items listed. Most of these things they do on a daily basis. Whats it got to do with gun control you ask? Well if we've let them take everything we have and dont even bat an eye, whats one more thing? they'll say its only a few guns a certain items, mags, ammo and such, guess we have to take it. Well folks when the last gun ban lifted alot of guns and ammo and mags and such where never allowed to continue to be made and/or be imported. At the speed thier going, they will NOT stop this time. But since most of Americans walk around holding thier ankles, and baaing like sheep, they never fill razor sharp knife untill its way to late.