Survival kits info.

what about a firstaid kit?

GWH, I've moved your thread over to the "Survival kits sticky" where all the other lists are. This is where it belongs. BTW, Chig. made a great suggestion about the 1st aid kit. It never ceases to amaze me how a Tenderfoot will fill the "weapons" portion of their list, yet neglect the most important stuff.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

It never ceases to amaze me how a Tenderfoot will fill the "weapons" portion of their list, yet neglect the most important stuff.:cool:

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But it kind of makes you wonder if it is filled in the kit or the mind. As Hope said, the AR 15 is not the platmorm for a .308.

Uh, hmmmm..........so, what's a survival kit? I carry a bag made out of a blanket, with a tin cup, a few rocks, a piece of steel, an old folding knife. I do carry bandaids in my wallet, but that's for my kids booboos.

My Murse.

GWH-

If you don't want any advice or comments on your kit then don't ask us if there is anything you have missed.

My ready pack for a S&R call:

To be worn out the door:

jacket, poly. pants and shirt, scarf, boots, snow pants, wool socks, poly. hat w/earmuffs


Lowe Alpine TFX Horizon 65 pack 35lbs, full



Shelter

1 50' nylon rope
1 100' ball of twine
1 10m. heavy wire
4 bungee cords
2 14x14 tarps
1 Woods Lite Loft sleeping bag (rated +5C/41F)
3 emergency blankets

Clothes

2 toques
1 balaclava
1 pr of poly. cargo pants
1 pr warm gloves
1 pr leather work gloves
4 pr wool socks
1 pr syn. liner socks
1 pr syn. thermal underwear
2 pr cotton underpants
1 rain poncho
1 rain suit (pant/jacket)

Light/Fire

1 80 lumin Dewalt flashlight w/ spare batt.
2 light sticks
1 emergency candle
1 emergency stove with fuel
1 magic striker w piece of fat wood
1 pack of fire sticks
1 pack of waterproof matches

Food

2 aluminum pots (.9L and 1.4L) w/lids and pot grip
1 stainless steel mug
1 knife/fork.spoon set
2 servings of oatmeal with blueberries
2 servings of trail mix
4 granola bars
1.5 L of gatorade
1.5 L of water

Rescue/ Misc

1 first aid kit (clothes scissors/ 1 soaker band./ 1 tri. band./rubber gloves)
1 pocket mask (for mouth to mouth)
1 shatterproof mirror
1 whistle
1 E Trex H GPS with spare batt.
1 multitool (pliers, saw, wire cutter, scizzors etc)
1 spare set of glasses
1 mosquito repellent
1 roll toilet paper
4 lg ziplock bags
1 10m. light (trap) wire
1 Fiskars hatchet
2 orange garbage bags
FOLDING SAW???



Thoughts?

Additions, subtractions?

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Originally Posted by dougz

Am I packing to much? To heavy?

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That depends on how fit you are. If you can only go a couple hundred yards before having a major heart attack. Then you are carrying to much weight.

If you are on a certified search and rescue team then you should have a T.O.A that tells you what you should be carrying. Anything else is just extra crap you have to lug around.

Where is the first aid kit?

Whoops..

Good point..

I am 35, 6'3" 215 lbs, and I go to the gym every second day.

Try to get a 3 mile run in every weekend..

First aid kit is in the backpack in a separate pocket.

Note the extra clothes can be for other S&A members or the subject.

I am packing for a little comfort, not just bare bones survival.

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Originally Posted by klkak

Where is the first aid kit?

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First Aid kit...??? more important where is the whiskey bottle. Loose the Granola bars, and pack more whiskey.....;)

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pack more whiskey.....

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Right.. Antiseptic.. :)

I was thinking..

How in the heck am I supposed to get the pots over the fire..

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m...t_detail&p=173

I'll need some kind of lightweight grill, no?

http://www.preparedness.com/grpoststcagr.html

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Originally Posted by dougz

Whoops..

Good point..

I am 35, 6'3" 215 lbs, and I go to the gym every second day.

Try to get a 3 mile run in every weekend..

First aid kit is in the backpack in a separate pocket.

Note the extra clothes can be for other S&A members or the subject.

I am packing for a little comfort, not just bare bones survival.

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Along with the running you might want to include a couple ruck-walks a week with a 40lb pack. Do at least the same distance you are running or more if you can. Everything changes with that pack on your back.

I agree, you should be taking a hike with your pack regularly to get used to doing it. This is how I got used to my fire gear (I've been a volunteer fireman for 10 years, that's all we have here), I wore my gear and a pack (breating from the scba) once a week until I was used to working with it. Was actually harder than I thought it would be.

doug you can be that big and have a knee problem or neck issues so it does come down to how much you can handle, what do you need a grill for? i carry a verry small light weight kettle in my pack and if nessecarry can use a sterno can surrounded by rocks to perch on top , but does take a while or use the ray mears method and have a jolly roaring fire and use a stick to suspend your kettle above.

Dougz, I would pare down a bit: loose
1 toque
1 14x14 tarp
trade warm gloves for warm mitts
use tarp instead of poncho (you got a rain suit)
with all those cold weather clothes do you need mosquito repellent?
the heavy wire (you got the trap wire)
personally I would go down a bit more but...

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you should be taking a hike with your pack regularly to get used to doing it

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Hmm..

Good idea..

I'll take my pack on my run route once it warms up a bit here..

I have experience with turnout gear and SCBA as well, being on my mills emergency response team..

Good suggestions, tsitenha..

Could indeed probably go with only one tarp..

But the extra clothes, shelter material, like I say, I was thinking it would be a good idea to have for other team members that might need them, or for the person we may find..

The poncho is about the size of a wallet, so it might as well stay.. Like I say, someone else might need one down the road..

As for the mosquito repellent, obviously that's for the summer.. :)

Dunno why I put that down..

Obviously the clothes compliment will be different as well..

The heavy wire I was thinking I could use for this or that, where twine, etc. wouldn't work..

What about bear spray?

Also thinking a fixed blade knife would come in handy....

A knife would be good or an ax in my case.
Can't carry everything for other team members, I used to be a donkey, (carry the load) but no more, they have to learn. Give them a list, let them be their own mule.
Extra for a victim is OK but limit it.
I use 3 sets of socks; 1 pr worn, 1 pr drying, 1 pr clean ready to replace the first; foot powder is good.

Doug - the neat thing about it is that you have a pretty good list. You have gotten some good suggestions too. Over time you will find what works best for you and refine what you bring.

Yup, for sure..

Can't wait for my first call! :)

I'll be on the lookout for a good fixed blade (looking at the Gerber Big Rock), a folding saw (either the Gerber, Sawvivor or the Wyoming), and a pair of mitts..

I used to be torn between a rain poncho and a rain suit. I ditched the rain jacket and wear the rain pants with the poncho. One less garment to pack. The reason I like the poncho better is it can be used for shelter or you can squat down, pull it around you snuggly, light a candle inside, and stay warm. (be careful)

Yeah, this poncho is pretty bare bones.. :)

http://www.campingsurvival.com/raingear.html

Fit's in your pocket..

The gain gear is a bit more substantial..

http://www.campingsurvival.com/threpiecrain.html

I'm keeping the rain suit in it's bag..

I took it out to size it, but there was no way I could get it to pack as compactly..

So I just returned it for a new one.. LOL

I would loose the second cook pot too. It's bulk you don't really need it when you have a mug too. and do you really need 2? I just carry an MSR cup in my nalgene skin, and have never needed more. holds 24 OZ. it's like the olicamp, only i got it for 3 bucks at a surplus store.

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I would loose the second cook pot too.

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Good point..

They fit inside one another, but I could pack some food inside instead..

Note that the lid for the pot doubles as a frying pan (not that I can imagine frying anything)..

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m...t_detail&p=173

Dude, I don't think I've got that much stuff in my house :eek:! Hey, your call, and you can go right ahead and put them cook pots on the fire, You just cut a little switch to lift them off with, they'll get all smoke smudgy though... they've got bail handles right?

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they've got bail handles right?

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Dunno about bail handles..

The have little things on the side that you can attach a pot-gripper onto..

(that black thing beside the pots in the link I posted)

I couldn't wait for the weather to warm up, so I went out today on a 3 mile walk..

So, successful field test!

-20C and feeling fine!

Pack felt good (though I think I could have gotten it onto my hips a little better)..

Should have worn my snow pants, though!

Quads sure felt the wind..

If there are no bail handles already on the pot(s) drill 2 holes opposite each other just under the rim and fabricate a wire handle to suit. Leave enough length on the wire handle loop so that you don't scald yourself when you use it. The handle can be Stainless steel braided wire 1/16"dia., flexible and very strong. A top to the pot might be a good idea if weight is down enough.

The wire bail ends can be formed into a loop with a flemish eye and the crimped tight with an aluminum sleeve to prevent fraying and possible hand injury.

that's pretty fancy, I was just gonna say use haywire.

Actually very fast, unravel 2 of the 3 strands about 3", with the single strand pass it through the hole, resplice the 2 and 1 strand back together into a loop, tape or crimp tight. Takes longer to type than do.

Hmm.. I'll see..

Dunno if I want to drill holes in a perfectly good pot.. LOL

I've whittled my pack down a bit..

I WAS going to get rid of the extra tarp..

But I thought, it weighs next to nothing, and takes up almost that in space.. Might as well hang onto it..

Was also thinking about ditching the Coughlan's emergency stove..

But it'd be nice to have inside a tent for some heat in the pouring rain/sleet..

Got rid of the Coughlin's tin of "camp heat" (diethylene glycol with wick) instead..

http://www.campingsurvival.com/cocahe.html

Got rid of the leather work gloves and the rain suit (will go into the pack for the spring/summer/fall).

Also got rid of the bungie cords (heavy, andI have plenty of twine and wire).

That's about all I can think of to part with, so far..

Don't drill the holes at the bottom:eek:
at the top man at the top 180 deg opposite each other just under the rim. LOL

This is what my pot looked like after I got carried away with the drill.

http://www.hildreths.com/IMAGES/Colander.jpg

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Don't drill the holes at the bottom

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Come on! Give me SOME credit!

Was a joke!! LOL

look above I was too late for crash :(

but a nice pattern though

just wondering how many of you out there feel confident that you could survive in the wilderness with just the contents in your pockets? Also please share what you keep on your persons at all times. I keep 1 lighter, 1 generic swiss army type knife, 1 multitool, 1 flashlight and about 10 feet of cord on me at all times. I'm planning on making a more elaborate pocket survival kit. Let's hear some of your ideas.:cool:

Yo, minuteman! This subject has been done to death; go to the sticky on "Survival kits" & you'll see what I mean. I consider the question stupid, as I would never go out into the woods with what's just in my pockets; that's a "NUMPTY" thing to do.:cool:

Well my pockets usually consist of my blackberry, wallet, and car keys... but then again I'm in a suit and on my way to work or back from. My car emergency kit is much more extensive than anything I could possibly fit in a pocket. If I'm going dayhiking my pockets are often more prepared: fixed blade knife or multitool, altoids survival tin (too much stuff to recall), and cell phone. I've become much more of a cell phone advocate recently, as some of you may have noticed :P

Well I don't keep a lot of things to survive in my pockets because of restrictions forcing me to not be able to carry certain things, but as long as you have the will you will almost always be able to survive.

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Can you survive with just the cotents of your pockets?

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Let's see.....right now I have a fully equiped wallet, car keys, small pocket knife, lighter, bobbin of fishing line, cell phone....well actually the phone is on my belt, not in my pocket. Seems like I'm surviving just fine right now. Did you have some specific location and time of the year in mind?

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Originally Posted by minuteman

just wondering how many of you out there feel confident that you could survive in the wilderness with just the contents in your pockets? Also please share what you keep on your persons at all times. I keep 1 lighter, 1 generic swiss army type knife, 1 multitool, 1 flashlight and about 10 feet of cord on me at all times. I'm planning on making a more elaborate pocket survival kit. Let's hear some of your ideas.:cool:

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minuteman, I specialize in "nature provides my every need". empty pockets are best used for filling with food or tools that will get you that food, and nature has that everywhere.so if you carry a pocket knife and a tuna can...
you have room for the things that you really need.

I should have eloborated on my question a bit more i suppose. If you found yourself in a scenario where maybe you broke down driving through the woods miles away from town and did not have a survival kit in your vehicle. Do you think you could survive with what you have on you? If the question seems stupid to you then either you have never been in a survival situation or simply lack an imagination.