Group Survival 101.

Deet, if you want to meet with RiM fine but that's VW's call.

I need to, tomm. get to my truck. I have olive drab green paint, prob. enough for the top of the bus. Don't have it in me today. I have a few shovels, pick, I brought the ax.

I took the battery out of the truck, turned the gas off, and wired the overhead lights to auto. turn on if someone connects a battery. They won't be able to turn them off unless they disc. the battery.


We need to get some chicken wire. Fish and turtle traps.

Guard Duty times revised.



2100 to 2400 Vol-West & Nell

2400 to 0200 FVR & Foggy

0200 to 0500 Wareagle & Marscroft


0500 to 0800 Owl-Girl


0800 to 1100 Lumpy

1100 to 1300 Wareagle

1300 to 1600 FVR

1600 to 1900 Trax

1900 to 2100 Sarge

Sorry so late to reply in the real world I work midnights and sleep all day. Don't take this as arrogance on my part but with all my sniper training I highly doubt you spotted me, however my presence was well known to you when I dropped my peace offering at first light and I made sure that you saw me entering the clearing, don't want the wrong signal to be sent you know. Also my rifle is a FNFAL 308 with custom stock and bipod, it is equipped with a modified 6-24x44mm targeting scope, 200 hundred rounds of ammo. I bring more to the group than hunting and long range hardline diplomacy though. I also know how to trap, skin and tan hides, and am an excellent forager. I also have skills in shelter, and cold weather survival. My camp is on the other side of the ridge if you wish I could be back by 0900 tomorrow with my gear loaded up in my allison. The personal belongings are just some clothes and my three knives as well as a tri hone. I carry a folding shovel and game dressing kit. My first aid kit and compass as well as map of area (hand drawn) and a katydyne water purifier is in my rucksack. I have a tent large enough for two so the woodcutter doesn't have to sleep in the fox hole cursing the cook with the bus anymore;) I also have a compact dynamo powered ham radio which should come in handy. I would like to meet the leader of your clan and discuss whether or not I might join.

please excuse my absence wolf pack, i have found a nice spot to set up a couple hundred yards out, nice observation post although i could use a good spotter any volunteers we will be out of camp more than in just so any other sneaky bast**ds cannot get a true count on us

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Originally Posted by FVR

Also, if someone wants to collect those acorns, if brains gross you out we can tan the hides with the tanin from the acorns. Going to need to make a small pit with water, hardwood coals to soak the hides to get the hair to slip.

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FVR I can collect acorns

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Originally Posted by wareagle69

please excuse my absence wolf pack, i have found a nice spot to set up a couple hundred yards out, nice observation post although i could use a good spotter any volunteers we will be out of camp more than in just so any other sneaky bast**ds cannot get a true count on us

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I'm in, i know an excellent secondary position;)

RiM, do you have any idea how to draw and post a map of the area from, say, the gas station to the other side of the lake, including the woods where our group is at in between, logging road, etc.? Also can you show why our group is blocking the only way out? :confused: So far we just seem to be coming up with fragmented mental images.

Vol West, can you do the same detailing the camp, and perhaps an idea where everybody is located? I'm going back through the posts and take attendance & inventory along with skills and will post the results later.:rolleyes:

VW, WE, 0730 I'll be dialed in. You know where.

Sarge, dinner was good, you cook good bird pilgrim. Next week, Peking Duck?

How bout some snapper soup?

Tomm. lets finish the latrines, paint and cover Sarge's bus, and stretch some hides.

Sarge's bus just gives me the creeps, something to do with Alexander Supertramp.

We also need to get you a wood stove in that thing. Any suggestions? Maybe a stone one on the outside and we can open up the side a little. Also need to get it up on blocks, why waste those tires.


Deet, thanks for the invite to the tent, but I will be retrieving my one pole tomm. from the truck.

Wake me for my watch.

I don't have any responsibility yet.I'll be happy to help at the observation post.I can dig the latrine,or even bury sarge's bus if need be.

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Originally Posted by lumpy

I don't have any responsibility yet.I'll be happy to help at the observation post.I can dig the latrine,or even bury sarge's bus if need be.

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If you bury the bus, leave acess into it! While you guys were thinking "Bug-out Bag and fire-arms", I was thinking "re-building a community". After all, this seems to be TEOTWAWKI, right? What, you think we're gonna hide out in itty-bitty pup-tents for the next 20 years? Oh crap, the venison stew is burning and owl girl is out looking for acorns. (mumble-mumble "got enough NUTS in this camp to tan every animal in North America!" mumble-mumble):rolleyes:

FVR will the acorns still work if there green?

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Originally Posted by owl_girl

FVR I can collect acorns

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I'll go with owl_girl to collect the acorns,she doesnt need to be out alone.Also,I can help sarge clean any small game you guys bring in. Did I hear wild turkey last night or was I dreaming??

Has anyone noticed an area that might do well as a garden spot for next spring??I have some seed for that purpose,also have some thick clear plastic sheeting that I can use to start tomato seed ,a makeshift greenhouse until its warm enough to transplant.
saw some wild asparagus along the treeline that will be good when spring returns also.

Thanks for the gun trax,feel safer knowing it is within easy reach if I need it.i also have a sewing kit and can work on the furs for blankets or clothing.

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Originally Posted by nell67

I'll go with owl_girl to collect the acorns,she doesnt need to be out alone.Also,I can help sarge clean any small game you guys bring in. Did I hear wild turkey last night or was I dreaming??

Has anyone noticed an area that might do well as a garden spot for next spring??I have some seed for that purpose,also have some thick clear plastic sheeting that I can use to start tomato seed ,a makeshift greenhouse until its warm enough to transplant.
saw some wild asparagus along the treeline that will be good when spring returns also.

Thanks for the gun trax,feel safer knowing it is within easy reach if I need it.i also have a sewing kit and can work on the furs for blankets or clothing.

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Thanks nell. We still need to find out if the acorns will work if there green. If its still August I don’t think they’ll be fully ripe yet

Hey,I don't have anything against the bus.I would prefer sleeping in the bus over a tent or foxhole,especially long term.Our latest intel seems to point to a very long term ****uation.Who's in charge here? VW is the one who mentioned burying it.Is he in charge?Do we have any kind of command structure?
I'm not a carpenter,but I've had interest in cordwood masonry for some time.I believe I could build us a decent dwelling with nothing more than firewood and mud and some extra help.Some scavenged windows with sceens would be a nice addition.

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Originally Posted by wareagle69

just returning from night patrol, i notice that SM has wandered into our camp perfect night for patroling, was nice and cool , just ont the down side of a full moonand clear skies anyhow heres my sitrep

i was coming back in from the west side of camp, lake is to the north there is a camp on the other side of the lake two large rv's young families and children two noisy dogs seem very panicked large white man's fire.interesting enough i came across a small lean to about 4 klicks out to dead bodies looks like they were exposed to the elements hypothermia and some bad mushrooms nearby they only had the clothes on their backs and this thousand dollar knife(sorry couldn't help myself) any how is the coffe warm yet sarge sure could use a biscuit also time for some r/r see ya in a few.

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I would ever show up!

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

(Hmmm, note to self, get SM to have a nice long talk with VW as soon as possible!)

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What? (A B C D E etc... more letters... post not big enough to be deemed important)

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Originally Posted by volwest

Ok...had a little talk with SM...he made me laugh a lot telling me that the punji pits could be used as latrines and therefore increase the probability of infection for anyone falling in...loll

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If I ever DID build a pungi pit that IS something I would say!

No pits for me, unless we have some sort of cave that we can winter in. But thats dangerous if there is only one way out.

btw I would probably be in pretty bad shape if I managed to make it alone to where you guys would meet unless it was within 300 miles or so of where I'm at. Be ready with the hospital bus and have a partition ready for the weary wanderer. But maybe VW picked me up on his way who knows.

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Originally Posted by spiritman

If I ever DID build a pungi pit that IS something I would say!

No pits for me, unless we have some sort of cave that we can winter in. But thats dangerous if there is only one way out.

btw I would probably be in pretty bad shape if I managed to make it alone to where you guys would meet unless it was within 300 miles or so of where I'm at. Be ready with the hospital bus and have a partition ready for the weary wanderer. But maybe VW picked me up on his way who knows.

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Welcome in SM, you weren't weighing in so I did it for you. You mentioned earlier that you wanted something on group survival so here it is! Jump right in! NOTE: Did you bring a knife?:D

Owl Girl,

Green is fine. We will store them and peel them when we get the chance. Once we peel them, I will take stock of the brains and see if we have enough. Most feel that a critters brains is just enough for that hide, I disagree as I like to treat them two maybe three times.

The acorns that we do not use, we can then boil twice, drain and then pound. We will have a starchy paste that can be used to make biscuts.

If ya'll need another pee shooter, let me know. You can have the 357, I prefer the 308 and a knife.

Bury a bus? Buses are pretty big. My truck has shovels but is not equiped with a dozer. LOL.

Lumpy, I've cut plenty of wood, help yourself to the wood that is still has the bark on it.

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

Welcome in SM, you weren't weighing in so I did it for you. You mentioned earlier that you wanted something on group survival so here it is! Jump right in! NOTE: Did you bring a knife?:D

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Yeah been away from internet access so thanks

Of course i brought a knife, 4 actually.
Also some more of my own equipment:
Large capacity pack
Small capacity day pack with 2L water reservoir
Hatchet
Sleeping bag and Gortex Bivoac no tent though
Small emergency kit
A three gallon soft plastic water jug (easy to fill)
1 pot around 4 qts
A .22 cal rifle open sight 500 rnds. It's all i could get a hold of.
300 ft paracord

Out of food though... but I have been eating here and there so I'm not doing bad.

I definitely have the fishing gear covered as well. and we can use those larger tin cans of yours for some tickling in the creek.

Me and Marcraft will go out and set some traps in the morning if he hasn't set enough up already, something he could definitely help me out with.