Congress Approved Health Care Bill

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Originally Posted by Trabitha

I don't know about you guys...but it's beginning to feel like we're all living in a pressure cooker and SOMEONE is going to snap, setting off what could turn into another revolution if this bill isn't changed and changed quick.

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Don't hold your breath.
People care, but not that much.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/op...ml?ref=opinion

This is one of the most cogently written articles on the subject elevating it above party lines. (It's pretty much how I feel.)

A highlight/conclusion:

" Nobody knows how this bill will work out. It is an undertaking exponentially more complex than the Iraq war, for example. But to me, it feels like the end of something, not the beginning of something. It feels like the noble completion of the great liberal project to build a comprehensive welfare system.

The task ahead is to save this country from stagnation and fiscal ruin. We know what it will take. We will have to raise a consumption tax. We will have to preserve benefits for the poor and cut them for the middle and upper classes. We will have to invest more in innovation and human capital.

The Democratic Party, as it revealed of itself over the past year, does not seem to be up to that coming challenge (neither is the Republican Party). This country is in the position of a free-spending family careening toward bankruptcy that at the last moment announced that it was giving a gigantic new gift to charity. You admire the act of generosity, but you wish they had sold a few of the Mercedes to pay for it."

Trabitha - I had seen the student lone issue a few months back so I knew it was included in the bill. Or, at least, an earlier version of it. I had heard the intent was to forgive student loans at some point but the language had not been worked out when last I saw anything on it.

With the Senate debate underway there could be any number of changes in the law. Whatever they decide in the Reconciliation Act will be passed on for signature so I'm not too crazy over the details at this juncture because I know they could change.

But they sure took a shot at Sallie Mae and other private providers. I suppose when all is said and done we'll be drinking USA Cola and eating USA Pizza on our USA dinnerware at our USA table and watching the USA News on our USA TV....if they let us.

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Originally Posted by LostOutrider

Address where my post was incorrect and I'll concede that I misinterpreted their balance and fairness and admit that I should've just let that article stand for a few more pages of 'bama bashin'. Or, if you're just pointing out that I amuse you then I am glad to have brightened your day. I'm like a fresh cup of coffee that way.

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First - why can't you post without the Democrat/Republican lables. That's not what this is about. Please refrain - as that is where we are crossing the line that we are attempting to delicatly walk in this discussion. Thanks.

Second - Although you did not say it directly, your post insinuated that a particular news source was not accurate. Some of your posts in the past have thrown that same jab, or taken that same tone. Sarge posted a link that said in part:

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A White House official told Fox, Obama will not sign the Executive Order Tuesday and has set no specific date to do so.

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So where is the misleading or inaccurate information? The EO was not signed on Tuesday, and you and I were not privy to the "set no specific date" comment. Furthermore, the same website had these two stories:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...rder-abortion/

http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/...-proclimation/

So where is this misinformation that concerns you?

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Originally Posted by BENESSE

I was merely arguing that the two are analogous as rights in broad terms, not this particular Healtcare bill vs. Public Education.
The fact that I don't like anything about this bill doesn't negate the need for some form of Public Healthcare.
And as an aside...not everyone has children but everyone will at some point in their lives have health issues.
So why wouldn't Public Healthcare trump Public Education?

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I don't know that one trumps the other. More like an apples and oranges thing to me. Think about this. If you decide that you do not want to pay for health insurance (how many of us made that decision when we were younger), you do not have that option. To do so will potentially make you a criminal. If you can be forced to buy health insurance, what else can you be forced to buy? If this is such a good plan (I realize that you never said that) why is Congress exempt? Why are the staff members that wrote the legislation exempt? There is so much bad about this law that will adversely affect the lives of so many (IMO) and the economy of this country that I truly have grave concerns. As I've said - this is not about health care.

Did y'all see that after all the bragging about saving the kids with pre-existing condition, right away...it turns out that they are not covered until 2014?


Oops!

A business plan for health care? http://www.taxdebtrelief-usa.com/

A 10% tax took effect today on tanning salons. Admitedly, I never understood the desire to lay on a bed with a bunch of light bulbs, but there are a lot of people making a living working at those businesses. I wonder if a 10% increase in the cost vanity will cause a decrease in business to the point where people lose their jobs?

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Originally Posted by crashdive123

A 10% tax took effect today on tanning salons. Admitedly, I never understood the desire to lay on a bed with a bunch of light bulbs, but there are a lot of people making a living working at those businesses. I wonder if a 10% increase in the cost vanity will cause a decrease in business to the point where people lose their jobs?

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I heard some people talking about that tax, on the radio today.

They kept refering to it, as the tax on white people. LOL:tongue_smilie:

I thought it was pretty funny, but I'm sure that some don't see the humor, like I do. LOL

House Democrats Face Violent Threats After Health Care Vote

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house...ry?id=10193618

We're going to be gifted with a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed into law by a president who also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke. What on earth could go wrong?

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Originally Posted by crashdive123

A 10% tax took effect today on tanning salons. Admitedly, I never understood the desire to lay on a bed with a bunch of light bulbs, but there are a lot of people making a living working at those businesses. I wonder if a 10% increase in the cost vanity will cause a decrease in business to the point where people lose their jobs?

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Those tanning beds are much more dangerous (causing melanoma) than just baking in the sun. Most salons also offer other services such as spray-on tans, etc. so I don't believe they'll be going out of business any time soon.
Perhaps they'll be smart enough to get rid of those cancer nests, reinvent themselves and change their name.

http://www.suntan.com/images/cms/Tan..._and_Bacon.jpg

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Originally Posted by BENESSE

Those tanning beds are much more dangerous (causing melanoma) than just baking in the sun. Most salons also offer other services such as spray-on tans, etc. so I don't believe they'll be going out of business any time soon.
Perhaps they'll be smart enough to get rid of those cancer nests, reinvent themselves and change their name.

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Yep.

Trans fats
salt
sugar
tanning beds
cigarettes
alcohol
red meat

They're from the government, and they're here to help.:innocent:

They sure are working fast on the new health care reform. I received a letter from the government this afternoon advising me that my employer coverage has been eliminated and I will need to see my new government sponsored physician. I’m a bit skeptical but I have an appointment next month. That’s the soonest the government run plan could get me in. My new plan covers prescriptions for chicken heads?!

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Originally Posted by crashdive123

Yep.

Trans fats
salt
sugar
tanning beds
cigarettes
alcohol
red meat

They're from the government, and they're here to help.:innocent:

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I couldn't care less about how people choose to hasten their demise...just don't want to pay for any stays of execution.

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Originally Posted by Rick

They sure are working fast on the new health care reform. I received a letter from the government this afternoon advising me that my employer coverage has been eliminated and I will need to see my new government sponsored physician. I’m a bit skeptical but I have an appointment next month. That’s the soonest the government run plan could get me in. My new plan covers prescriptions for chicken heads?!

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Well, if you ever needed a better incentive to stay healthy, this is it.

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Originally Posted by BENESSE

I couldn't care less about how people choose to hasten their demise...just don't want to pay for any stays of execution.

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I agree completely, but isn't that what we are doing with the new laws? You cannot legislate morality, but we will all certainly be paying for the adverse results of it.

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Originally Posted by crashdive123

I agree completely, but isn't that what we are doing with the new laws? You cannot legislate morality, but we will all certainly be paying for the adverse results of it.

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Not sure which laws you meant.
(In general I am vehemently opposed to legislating morality?

Has anyone seen this?

No Obamacare for Obama:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...one-but-obama/