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but what the viewing public is maybe getting
mislead about is the reality of survival
as i stated in an earlier post
BEAR KNOWS that someone is only 25 feet away
and thus may take extra chances
with all these things that Bear " consumes "
who knows how many times he's been sick the next day
he is passing off his show as real-life survival situations
in reality, he is really never in any danger
and the public never sees how many times
he attempts something risky " to get a good take "
I've recorded and watched every episode of M. vs. W.. Alls I can say is to survive like Mr. Grylls does is going to require a better physical condition than I have. I perceive this as a "Sur-reality" show!:rolleyes:
I don't even watch him anymore. What in the he ll is he going to show me that I can't find out on my own? Honestly.
He and his show is glamorized entertainment, which I enjoyed until I found out that he is nothing but a b'ser.
I always wondered how he could spend time in certain climates, the same climates that myself and many others have spent more time in, and not have the same problems we had. His little busted indicated why, he's a fraud.
I don't give a crap what he's done, because if he b'sd his way through his show, then how do I know he did not bs his way through other things he claims.
That's just my buck two fifty.
Maybe that "dung pile" was a sponge painted to look like crap. "by crickey I'm gonna drink water from this dung heap... watch me go... mmmm, tastes like apple juice, er, i mean water... that's right, dung water, nasty brown dung water... not like apple juice that's been soaked into a sponge." lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FVR
Since these guys use locals to help with the survival skills I sort of picture three locals playing one of the worst practical jokes of all time. Then, sitting around the television, there is this huge collective Oooooohhhhhhh when Bear actually drinks from the elephant poo. High fives around. "I can't believe he really did it." "Dude, you are sooooo bad for tellin' him to do that," sort of comments.
great answer Mitch..... The most important part of those show is the educational value that we can use to benifit ourselve's.
(fake British accent) I've been up for 36 straight hours facing some of the most dangerous internet search engines you can possibly imagine. I was forced to drink diet colas to avoid dehydration and to consume beer nuts AND pretzels. But it was worth it to uncover the most realistic Bear Grylls show to date. I hope you appreciate the sacrifices I've made.
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2880099
That’s hilarious, love it :D
well all i havee to sa is that if we combine what our own knowledge offers us then yes there are things that Bear does that i dont think would be all that smart but he does offer a useful skill every once in awile. Such as the new Sahara episode...he shows that by digging down into the sandthat is in shade you find much cooler sand underneath, for many of us that is a no brainer but it still serves as a reminder
Apply your knowledge to things you know nothing about and you will learn to unnderstand an item better and faster than someone whom does not know how to apply what they know to every day situations
Dom Borelli
SURVIVORMAN ALL THE WAY!! :D ;)
Bear is a FAKE!. . .FAKE!!. . .FAKE!!! :( :mad:
This one is for you Nativedude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acYExF4RRqE
This one is for everyone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is
I see at purely entertainment value, I mean come on now... squeezing brown waste water outta elephant poop I'd find other water sources like where the animals are drinking, although he makes quite a good living at it and I'll bet he has some real fun not to mention getting to travel.
I just saw the video where bear catches a rabbit in a snare and after ringing its neck he says to give it karate chop on the neck the make sure its dead! Is he serious?
My dad once told me " you can learn something from anybody". I find both shows to be full of great information. Not real sure of survivormans background, but he seems to be someone who has spent some time enjoying life growing up in the woods as opposed to being trained in survival skills.
Bear never seems to be as fatigued or hungery at the end of his show as Les, but then he has a camera man to do the filming and whos to say .... a scout out in front, and a mule skinner leading the Borax Mule Train behind him. Sometimes its like watching an episode of fear factor. Would be interesting to see a behind the scenes show from both of them. I enjoy both show. Lots of good info. Its always good to refresh the knowledge.
Les DID do a "behind the scenes" show, and it was great!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Two Rivers
I'll take Less and Survivorman, not only is he on his own after being dropped off, he has to do all the filming, and sometimes he has to be pulled out. I use the shows for entertainment value. But Les seems more real to me, plus he's got a simple man's comic style as I think he's funny in his comments, thinks of things the way I might such as after eating one small bug lays down and says "now that was filling."
And Bear is so fake its sickening.
Okay, check this out. In the November issue.
http://a1608.g.akamai.net/7/1608/136...ov2007_toc.jpg
Bear comes clean on the fake stuff. Yep, on occasion, things were staged. No apologies. No faux paw. They cram a lot of stuff into a show. Going forward, they'll make sure viewers are aware of exactly what's what so everyone can rest easily at night. More behind the scenes stuff, too. I think they are doing it just for you Two Rivers.
Read it for yourself. Here is the link. It's a big file (8.48 Mb) in .pdf format. His confession is on the last page.
http://www.beargrylls.com/media/bear...demagazine.pdf
By the way, his first name is Edward. Blyme, who knew?!
I have to say ray mears is my fave but might only be in the UK
www.raymears.com
P.S. i've actually met him on one of his survival courses I nearly met bear grylls too. :)
There's lots of videos of him on youtube.
He even says he couldn't catch one with his snares, that the film crew gave it to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beowulf65
My concern is the same as Ricks: "I guess the main concern is we have some newbies on the forum and the shows portray some dubious things that those just learning may interpret as okay to perform. This thread outlines a number of things that have been done on some of the shows that none (or few) of us would ever attempt in the wild."
Let's venture into the bush and see if our snares caught anything last night. If we have, we'll want to be truly careful and give the human a good chop on the back of the neck if it's still alive.
Well, to be fair, survival isn't glamorous and certainly doesn't fair well in the public eye if they have to sit thru half an hour of it.
"ok, so here I piled a bunch of debris over a simple frame. I made a small fire with this flint, and I'm eating some bugs for food. I'm going to keep doing this for the next half hour so you can skip back to the Colbert Report."
vs.
"by crickey! A rabbit! KACHOP! Boy crickey I broke his neck with my chuck norris karate action. Now I'm jumping off an 80ft cliff into near-freezing water and float down the rapids until I find a bear! Grabbing my trusty SAS knife I kill and skin him, making a fur coat in the process. Blood smeared over my face, I defiantly scream into the heart of nature 'FREEEEDOM!!!!'"
Um beo,I grew up killing tame rabbits that way,but I had a bad experience with one that I prefer NOT to share,and that was the end of that,now I let someone else stronger than me do it,but lets just say that you need to make SURE its dead before you start to skin it:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beowulf65
But here's the thing. If some guy had a show called Man vs. Urban and purported to show himself spread out on the 101 in L.A. demonstrating survival techniques for dodging cars or entering the subway system in New York to show how to avoid stepping on the third rail or even squeezing and drinking water from a doughnut found in the Chicago River people would think him seriously lacking in brain cells and his show would probably be canceled because everyone understands how stupid those risks are. But it would be entertaining.;)
You started ripping the skin off a live rabbit? Oh Cruella! j/k, must have been awful (worse for the rabbit, but awful) I don't know how many rabbit's necks I've wrung over the years, the only time I had to use karate on one was that killer ninja rabbit from hell.....Quote:
Originally Posted by nell67
Yea I did,and I dont know which one of us was screaming louder,never had that happen before,and it wont ever happen again,I dont want them to suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
I think now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak, Bear is getting lazier trying to fool people.
This last episode last night he walked up a glacier and slipped off (bugger!). His solution (despite the fact he had crampons with him) was to put socks over his boots. So he did that, and what do you know.. he could walk on the ice.... except he wasn't walking the same way as he did previously. To slip he walked on a steep ice slope to his right, to demonstrate the socks he walked off to his left.
Then he went down for this bit in an ice chasm, and was trying to climb out, but the video of him stuck down there and the video of him climbing out are not from the same hole. He must have went down one, had to get pulled out, and then went down a different/easier hole to demonstrate the climb out.
Then, later, he was climbing this cliff (unnecessarily I might add) only I'm sure he didn't really climb it. For about 5 minutes they showed him struggling on the rock with closeups, only they kept showing the same rock. They probably lowered him down, let him cling while they got some footage, and pulled him back up.
"Hello, I'm Bare Grills, I've looked at Mt. Everest, tried to join the SAS, drank water from elephant poo, not to mention my own urine, and eaten just about any insect and/or small animal I can find. I like long walks in the park, a girl who's a Libra...Oh crap! wrong intro..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
(voice from Off-Camera) "Cut! Okay Bare, try it without the "singles ad. Take it from right after 'I can find' And...Action!"
(BARE) "And I'm going to teach you how to survive by going out into the wilderness with nothing more that a water bottle and me $700 knife, and a 16 man camera crew who brought along the Winnebago and the 'Honey wagon"...
(Off-Camera) "Cut. Yo, BG baby, that's waaaayy to much information for the audience, OK? I mean they're stupid, I'll grant you that, but they're not complete morons, right? OK, take it from right after $700 knife...and..action!"
(Bare) "Right! ...and me $700 knife. I will also show off my naked Tush to give all you girls and flaming homo's a quick thrill...."
(Off-Camera) "OK! Cut! Uh, BG, you can't say that over the air. Too offensive. again from '$700 knife'...and...roll 'em!"
(Bare) "Right...and me $700 knife...(slaps hand down on the empty sheath) which you can get from...wait a minute, where's me knife? Any of you guys seen my knife? You didn't hide it from me again did you? (laughing from off-camera) You did! Where is it? (pause) out in the woods!? Now I'll never find it. Oh crap!" (Stalks out of the shot.)
(Off-Camera) "Cut! OK guys, that's lunch, be back in an hour."
(Off-Camera) "So, how long do you think it'll take him to find it this time?"
(Off-Camera "I got $20 that says he won't find if for four hours!"
(Off-Camera) "I'll take that bet, I've got it right here in my gear bag..."
(Off-Camera) "I still think it was great you telling him it was safe to drink his own pee! He was hitting the Scope for the next three days!":rolleyes:
I enjoy both shows. Each gives useful information if you take it in the right context.
I know you have to snap the neck of the rabbit, BUUUUUUUUUUT you do not have to give it a chuck norris karate chop to make sure it is dead, that is just ridiculas, I have killed my share of rabbits (wild & tame) and wrung the neck, but I never gave it a karate chop to make sure it was dead... lol... sure ya gotta make sure the critter is dead but karate chopping the neck is just plain stupid. IMHO.
I was raised using the side of my hand to kill the rabbit,but I do not do that anymore ( I am sure you read that little story elsewhere:mad:) so now if I have to do it myself,it involves a very sharp knife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beowulf65
Really, I had no idea that you wre supposed to do that or anyone even did that, hmmm seems I learn something new everyday.
Yea I didnt say you were supposed to do it,I just am not going to go through what I did that time,I dont like doing it that way though.
My GORSH!!!!
That was a lot of reading to catch up... Some times, it sucks to be new to a board...
These shows (like "Survivor") are only meant as entertainment and ratings
If people like us get some thing out of them, that is all the better, but the majority of people will never get much farther than their couch to experience a true survival scenario
If the shows were meant to be of benefit to us, the commercials would be of a different nature catering to our needs and not the general populace
I do like the fact that Les has made appearances to this thread and graced us with a little of his insight
Very cool... :)
I don't think that was Les. Was it? I think the survivorman on this forum is just one of us using that avatar and name. Sarge or someone, am I wrong here?
No you are correct Rick.
Well shoot... :(
sorry Elkchsr.
Actually with all the threads we got going here on all the various topics, along with Chris' and Sarges moderating and running of the forum, and Trax, Rick, and Beo's witty banter we don't need any of those guys, there is a ton of real, good, and expert informatin right here. I for one love this site and when it gets down to it we hit every aspect with real survival answers, they work, and can be accomplished by the average person with a little practice. And this site is actually in the NFS (national forestry service) favorites on all our computers.
2 thumbs up for this site.
Well, at least it was thumbs.