edit can't stand it. Give me one example of bull****.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
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edit can't stand it. Give me one example of bull****.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
I am not going to digress into a pissing match with you. I have learned enough about you to not take most of what you say seriuosly, you have posted a few interesting tips and points and given me things to ponder but i stand by my assesment of your value to me.
that is all...
I figured as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
I liked it to
[QUOTE=volwest;6291]
RIM,
Congrats on the scenario...
But, a community and not a military operation ? what the **** is that ?
You got more done ? lollll
That's extremely subjective yes ?
You got different things done...and i am sorry to burst your bubbles here, but this is AMERICA...In a SHTF scenario, most people and their mothers will have a gun...you flee, you hide, you watch for predators...this is what we did, except that we ARE military minds, and we applied technics suited for the situation based on our experiences...if you wanted to create a little community, i have addresses to really nice sites where people will be glad to hug you and start planting sprouts with you in a little fort they have made to protect themselves from the world's eyes.
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I stand corected, you are right you guys got a lot done, just different things.
I never said I was the most dangerous man in the woods. I said "the most dangerous THING in the woods is me and my rifle." This is not such and uncommon statement. Please hit the Ignore button now..Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
This was only a fantasy scenario and it's already turning ugly! War-Eagle's on the warpath, RiM's circling the wagons, VW's psyco-analyzing the Wolf-pack, yet, over the course of all these threads has made several errors that I couldn't help but notice. VW, take off the rosey shades, we're already at each other's throats and it wasn't even real! I rest my case. (And BTW Dr VW., Flu is spelled "Flu", not "flew". Gotcha!):rolleyes:
At each others throats? The average family fights harder then this. Theres going to be a few disagreements and debates. No one said there wouldnt be. But will you let those disagreements tear you apart thats what counts. How will you react to those disagreements because there going to happen. Look at the ones in the forum, the forum still stands doesnt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
The Forum still stands, but then we're not living with each other either. We can shut our pc's off and go watch tv if we don't like what's being said. The saying "Familiarity breeds contempt" is as true as it's counterpart: "Absence makes the heart grow fonder. RiM was the guy who came up with the scenario, he's a member of the Wolf-Pack. The answer that his family wasn.t isn't really a good one as neither is WE's wife or any other family member related to one of us. They would have been welcomed in and learned from us. Yet we have dis-trust shown to one of our own. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by owl_girl
I dont think wed tear each other apart. There would be some big fights but it would heal. Other people have survived as groups why couldnt we? You act as if you think its unlikely for people to come together and be able to survive a group structure all because of the arguments that would arise. Do you think that in order for a group to work it would have to be absent of arguments and disagreements? Thats not realistic, there is no such group
RiM wasnt treated as a wolf pack member in the scenario because in the scenario he was a stranger. However he was gaining trust and we were starting to have more regular and friendly contact with him. But most of the group did not want to move to the lake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
exactly. see the #1 post. I am done with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by owl_girl
Well "Wolf-Pack", this is the end of the trail for me. Owl-Girl, what I'm referring to is human nature, the same nature that I feel is now being turned on me. VW, I don't know if you're who you say you are, or what you claim to be, but things aren't adding up. I've come to believe that you're a "control freak" who keeps changing things in the thread when they're not going you're way. I think you haven't all the education you claim, never been in the military, to the extent you claim, if at all. And I think you might even be one of the teen-agers you accused RiM of sounding like. I detest bullies, even intellegent ones. I joined this site to learn more about Survival, not reams & reams of "pysco-babble". This "Senile", smothering, father-figure is taking the "bus" outta here. Bye!:cool:
Alright, come on, guys... Let's not get with all the fighting and the gnashing of the teeth. We all need to get along if the pack is going to survive(?). Let's get over this, and go back to what we're all good at. Whatever that is, I don't know. But let's get back to it, GOSH DARNNIT! Sorry, I didn't mean to yell. Let's all take a deep breath, count backwards from 10, and get back into the meaningful discussions that led me to put this forum into my favorites section...
They're big boys and will get over it.
Sooner or later.
Volwest your analogy of Sarge was incorrect. Theres been people in my life that I feel smothered by but Sarge isnt one of them.
I know you didnt claim to be correct, I didnt say you did so why is that an issue? I was simply letting you know you were incorrect and you saying you didnt claim to be correct sounds a little passive aggressive to me.
However I do think that if you your self felt smothered by Sage you should have said you did and not have said people do because I dont.
And I do value what you bring to the forum. I certainly didnt say you werent bringing anything to the forum.
volwest,
I value your outlook,or opion on subjects on the forum ,becuase you give me another way to look at what I thought I already knew.
like i stated earlier if what volwest post offends you. may be you need to look a little closer, isn't the saying truth hurts. although too analytical for my tastes sometimes i think that VW brings an important element to this forum, the psychological aspect of survival is the fundamental aspect of survival in my opinion.
Wareagle he said people feel smothered by Sarge and I was saying I dont feel that way. I dont think thats an unreasonable statement.
Volwest I dont expect everything you says to be correct, and Im going to tell you when I dont think your correct. Its not a matter of being emotional.
take the blinders off.... this is why me and others are leaving......Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
[QUOTE=volwest;4737]Alright...you guys are going too fast for me.
Let's talk about this Alice pack a little bit...
How heavy is it ? How many liters ? No bladder ?
External frame is not my cup of tea, but it has advantages for sure...$50 is not that cheap but Alice packs are pretty reliable. I wonder what the others think about it...
Let's wait a little on the pack...
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You don't know what an alice pack is?????????
You are not making me leave. You are just annoying and I have doubts about any useful information have to bring to the table. So please respond in at least 4 paragraphs that will have nothing to do with this so I will quit reading after the first couple of sentences.Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
RiM, don't let this "numpty" run you off, he's not worth it, and doesn't run this forum! I'm asking you to stay and, if you would, qualify that remark you made that got WE riled up. As a member of this pack you have the right to be heard!:cool: Besides, FVR is correct, as Survivalists we need to have thick skins, right?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
As a Military man you should not only know what the A.L.I.C.E. system is , but also the S.P.E.A.R. system, & The M.O.L.L.E. system as well? RiM asked a legitimate question, don't be condescending.Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
My skin is thick enough. When I said I am the most dangerous thing in the woods It was not meant as a statement of violence. The fact is a good man and his rifle need not worry about anything in the woods. That is all.
I would find that true to a certain extent, there are some things anybody in the woods might have to fear, correct!:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
Here is a little info. on the:
All-Purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment aka ALICE pack.
Don't ever call it a backpack recruit or I will kick your ***.
All-Purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment (ALICE) introduced in 1974 was made up of components for two types of load: the "fighting load" and the "existence load". The ALICE system was designed for use in all environments, whether hot, temperate, cold-wet or even cold-dry arctic conditions. It replaced all prior systems for both the U.S.
There are and were two models. The trad. ALICE pack able to carry 50lbs of gear. The second was named the Rucksack, it was also an ALICE pack but carried 70 plus lbs.
How do I know this, I carried both. On reg. humps the ALICE was packed. On LRRP's the Rucksack was used along with what we called the arsepack. The arsepack was what we used when we dropped our gear and made the final approach to recon the area.
Prior to 1974, ALICE pack was not in existance, the US military used what was called the M-1956 lightweight load carrying equipment pack or they carried the The M1967 Individual Load Carrying Equipment (called Modernized Load Carrying Equipment MLCE).
By the end of 1975, the M-1956 and M-1967 were completely phased out and the ALICE was used. All three packs were seen in useafter 1974 until the end of the Vietnam war.
Now the French did not use ALICE packs. They used Rucksacks that were sized in liters. Example, 35, 40. 50 litre waterproof bags. Granite, they probably know what they are, they just were not mil. issues.
Now in Europe I believe they use something called a Bergen? But then in the US we now use the ACU MOdular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment (MOLLE) II Assault Pack.
Enough pack info for ya?
Had to do a little research on the SPEAR.
The S.P.E.A.R. SYSTEM (Spontaneous Protection Enabling Accelerated Response) is a scientifically researched & medically reviewed personal defense measure that exploits the bodys natural responses to violence and danger. This survival mechanism, dubbed: Startle-Flinch Response has been scientifically integrated into a series of neuro-muscular drills that teaches individuals how to convert their instinctive reactions into protective and combative tactics.
Hmmmm, may need to read up on this as this is def. after my time. I still believe in the chewing on the throat theory.
Not sure what you are asking. As far as wild animals? I would fear lack of water, injury, things out of my control but as far as animals where I am nope I fear no animal if properly prepared. I am not going to hunt bears with a 10/22 for instance
I hear you RiM, but is fear the right term? If you check back a few posts I believe it was WE or someone who mentioned that heavy caliber rounds have been known to bounce off Moose antlers when they have their heads down and are charging. Hunters have been killed by bears that they have put several rounds into. Who was it that said "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself"?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
Here's an interesting fact. How do you know when a hunter is in a state of panic? When he throws away his pack and his RIFLE! Panic is the thing to think about. Keeping a level head no matter what, wouldn't you agree?:confused:
Yep panic and another word that fits well is respect. I do not fear them but I do respect their power. not to woudl be foolish
No Problemo Freddie.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by volwest
VW,
British.
The word backpack was coined in the United States in the 1910s. Knapsack and packsack were used before; they now occur mainly as regionalisms in North America. The word rucksack is a German loanword mainly used in the UK: 'der Rcken' means 'the back' (the part of the body) in German. Alternative names include Haversack, and Bergen (from the manufacturer's name Bergans, used for a rucksack supported by an external frame, usually associated with the British Armed Forces).
Guten aben Herr FVR, Vat ist Los? Spieken zie Duestch?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
Ahh, okay.
I have seen the movie more than once... it is a very interesting scenario that most people would rather not consider. It shows how people have to first get a realistic view of their situtation, gain awareness of their resources, commit to a course of action, follow the course to the end after many necessary adaptations most of which involve knucklehead humane foibles.
I will watch again the next time I have chance, if for no other reason than I like Jimmy Stuart... a great, good and faithful American.
Hunter63, saying Hey and Welcome......
FWIW
You know this discussion took place 7 years ago, right?........
Not that the timing make things less valid, it's just that most everyone involved has moved on.........
I read through most of this thread and have one thing to say. I'll be out in the woods not to far away, but far enough that you won't find me. If you are outnumbered and under attack, I will come help. Other than that, stay away from me because you guys would drive me crazy:smartass:
I agree to all of that but about you guys driving me crazy, I am already been driven crazy from my 4 siblings. I would rather be on my own or with only my closest friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildthang
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