I thought it was better than those numb nuts who survived the night before. But it was just too little. This is one of those topics that 9much like our forum here) needs to be an ongoing thing.
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I thought it was better than those numb nuts who survived the night before. But it was just too little. This is one of those topics that 9much like our forum here) needs to be an ongoing thing.
Shallow. I can't help thinking of people for whom this is their first exposure to this subject. I see them sitting there saying: wow, I am 110 pounds over weight, I'll need some heavy rope.
Now I know for sure that the world is coming to an end. Sourdough is commenting on a current TV show. Quick! Everybody take shelter!
That is just so wrong. It's like God telling off color jokes. It's just not right.
I guess it was a different goal than I thought it would be.
Bottom line seemed to be, find others?
So would this be y'all goal?
I do agree with meet others on your terms.
As far as tips go, I didn't really have a problem with most except maybe using his flash light when there was a wreaking bar available....Unless he left it on the bridge?
Anyway was interesting
nobody is gonna mention " this is not a persons house" or whatever he said?
i thought that would come up right away
Lots of advantages in finding others. Synergy, knowledge, protection, resources. You won't rebuild society by yourself.
Although is a good concept. I was a bit put off by his "Bear" approach. By that I mean, he always seemed to be running, jumping over stuff, taking too many physical risks. Example, Why in the H**l would someone dive into an elevator shaft to grasp 3 or 4 greased cables to make an descent? If you are alone in a survival situation, I doubt that there would be any advantage to running, jumping at the risk of getting injured (unless you are being chased by the Pink Bunnies). I do admit, I only saw 20 or so minutes.
I agree with Pal, and I didn't watch the whole thing.
He kept talking about having a secure place to stay, and be able to defend it.
He also talked about finding other people, but seeing them first, so that you can judge if they are friend or foe.
When he made that comment, about that not being anyone's house anymore, and bashed in the locked door, I had to laugh.
What if someone was living in that house? Not being obvious about it. What if they had been watching him....running, jumping, hiding behind stuff, until he got to the back of their house, where he busted in the door.
I don't know about y'all, but I would have considered him a threat, and dealt with him accordingly.
Speaking of fuel amd diesel fuel in particular, There are many places to find diesel rather than make it. Any of the city or bus line compounds, most of them have their own fuel farm. Then of course there is the airport JP-4 (jet plane fuel) is more or less diesel. Since he has a car and batteries, why not wire up a spare electric fuel pump to pump fuel out of the tanks or tractor trailer gas tanks?
Speaking of no one's home, what if it was booby trapped.
And why send a blind message? when he picked up all that radio equipt., I was wondering, where is the speaker so you can hear if someone is responding. To add to that, why break the window on the drivers side? and why not grab a spare CB radio to put in the car???
Just not very well thought out. I was under whelmed with Bear lite.
Also, advocating use of the sewer system for travel in what is apparently a minimal or no threat situation (he was running up and down the roads with out being "popped")is not a great idea. I agree it is good to be aware of, constant use confines you too much and exposes you to health hazards unnecessarily . Use of this type of "expert" does not do much justice to the subject. From what I gleaned, he has served his country admirably, and undoubtably would be a handy guy to have around, he takes too many risks for my taste. I may watch again for entertainment, just do not see very much of value being learned from it.
Sounds like I'm missing some entertaining progammes.
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Originally Posted by Pal334
This.
Way too many risks ala Bear Grills.
Oh, and I thought it was a 1 episode thing? There are multiple episodes??
I lost interest fairly quick. I thought the guy had delusions of ninja-hood. Made me think of paintball gunfights. The only interesting thing he said that I ABSOLUTELY disagree with is that no one will go to the Libraries! That is one of my first stops in an event such as this(was before the program even). I don't care what statistics he had backing him up.Maybe I just think differently or something.
Anyone ever been in a sewer before? They might be different in a large city but the ones I've been in you can't move like that,if at all.You would have to crawl or duckwalk to move in them.
I just barely caught some bits last night after hearing about it by reading thru this thread. i don't want to jump all over the show without understanding what it's full intent is. Plus, I didn't see it from the beginning.
But, ....
Things that jump out at me, like pal said, is him running and jumping throughout. I think he may have bashed his head when jumping up and doing the ape hang to pull down that fire escape ladder. i liked the idea of sticking to the rooftops though.
Another thing, and your mileage may vary, is I tried using a bicycle air pump to siphon gas and the seal immediately failed. Gas went everywhere but in the container and the thing only pumped enough to get the air out before it failed. He looked like he was having the same problem, but they tried to cover it up. I swear I couold see it in his eyes and facial expressions. Anyway, I don't think those pumps are designed for liquids or solvents.
I could see trying to establish some form of communication, but the extent he went to seems like a waste of energy and resources. Siphoning what to me looked like a couple ounces of gas to run a huge industrial generator for 5-6 hours? I'm not so sure about that, and for the sole purpose of trying to charge a battery that he found lying in the weeds on cement. It's not likely that battery would be good. He's gonna use the security cameras to monitor the entire hospital for what? 5-6 hours?
The part where he tested the CB or scanner to see if it worked, what did he use for power to test it? The flashlight? I didn't get that part, but I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention.
Trying to find "Heet" and Lye to create the cooking oil fuel might prove a challenge too. According to his measurements, 1 part heet to 5 parts oil, you need one bottle of Heet for every quart or so of cooking oil. Hopefully there's a gas station nearby with a good supply, because it's gonna take a whole case, or 12 bottles, just to make 3 gallons of fuel. Driving that suburban or whatever with the 6.2 L diesel isn't gonna get him far. How did he end up going from a quarter to a full tank of gas? I sure didn't see him siphon, filter and scrounge that much. A whole tank in that beast is probably at least 20+ gallons, most likely 30 or 40. I didn't even see that much cooking oil in the vat he was dipping from.
I can't equate him to bare grills, but I would equate him to someone who tells you what should work without having actually proved it. I'm not a bare fan, but I think bare would fair much better than him in a real situation.
So, I gotta ask, you have already found you self a hide, layed in some supplies, and saw this guy running, sneaking, darting form doorway to door way, in out of sewers.
You just happened to be there covering your position with your scoped .270, and he was getting closer, would you drop him?
LOL...see post #10.:innocent:Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
OOPs, Guess I missed that last part, guess we are sorta on the same page?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit
Wow! You'd better move quick, H, being anywhere with 2Dumb is likely to get you into allsorts of trouble!:innocent:Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Yep......in that enviroment, it seemed like he was doing the very things that would get you dead.:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Heeeeyyyy!!!:blushing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Dang....I thought me and you, were OK! Sheeez! LOL:innocent:
That's beside the point:)Quote:
Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit
I knew boy at school very much like you, he was lovely, a great friend, but trouble followed him like a dog and that dog very quickly became attached to everyone in the viscinity:innocent:
I posted about swinging and shock loading his rope. Busting out the drivers window was stupid as well. Besides keeping out the elements it also is a barrier between you and someone trying to get your ride. I would have busted out a passenger side window. That would give you some swing room and of course lock the doors even if the windows busted out. Might give you time to get a second shot off...
My son came in and was talking to me. Did I see this guy put a pry bar in the door and then bust his shoulder through the door??? He even talked about force multipliers as tools. Yet, he used a lever as a what? LOL Damn sure not to gain mechanical advantage.
Still, I will watch it again...
I wouldnt act unless he was too close for comfort. Why give away my position and waste my rounds if hes just passing by. Oh and it would be my scoped 30/30!:m107:Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
I have also had about enough of these studly dudes with Spec ops backrounds showing the average citizen how to "survive". My wife looked at me and said, "if I gotta climb up buildings and jump down elevator shafts to survive I guess Im screwed". Shes right.
What I'd like to see is a show based on a family of 4 (husband, wife, 2 youngins) like me. Lets see how they can come up with a good survival show based on that situation.
No....They need to come up with a show the demonstrates how to protect your home by using the remote control and how to prepare survival food with the microwave. Heck with that pounding wheat into flour crap.
I too would pick a library, but one of the old heavy stone masonary ones. Makes a good fortress.Quote:
Originally Posted by pocomoonskyeyes
So would a bank vault. I hate myself even more.:blushing:Quote:
Originally Posted by sjj
And survival TP
I think I saw in a movie once that if you just burn copies of the tax codes, local building ordances and law books you would have sufficient fuel. Besides who would miss that kind of stuff :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sjj
I too would hit the library, me and my wife actually discussed this part of the show in some detail. Basically after you think for a minute, you'll realize that most of the population probably wouldn't hit the library. People have become to accustomed to getting online to find info, and most people's second choice would be a book store of some sort (barnes and noble, used book stores, etc..). I think it would take a while for most people to even find the local library anymore... next time you're shopping or stop at a gas station just ask some people where the closest library is, and you'll feel a lot better about the library choice. I only say this because I was on my way to a linux user group, that just happened to be at a library on the other side of the city from where I live, I stopped at 5 different gas stations 1 of which was directly across the street from the library and nobody could tell me where it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by pocomoonskyeyes
The part of the show that got me was when he decided to eat the cans of food. If you didn't know where your next meal was coming from, would you really open all of the cans at once, in my head some rationing might be in order. Also, while he was eating and going off into his being lonely speech, his sterno was just burning away next to him, once again I'd think an easy fire source would be a good thing to ration.
The part I did like about this show, along with all the other shows that're going on during this "apocalypse week" the history channel is having, is that it did get my wife thinking quite a bit more about the what ifs.
Having grand kids, you know where all the libraries are. The library has some great programs for kids. At least around here. You can check out DVDs at the library, too.
Tonight is the:
7 Signs of the Apocalypse at 8:00 Eastern
Life After People: Wrath of God at 10:00 Eastern
Apocalypse Man at 11:00 Eastern
Here are the description for anyone interested:
http://www.history.com/schedule.do#
I have been watching "doom and gloom" week off and on and I swear some of the stuff is propaganda.
But as with anything else, it's up to you if you want to watch, gleen anything usefull, laugh/get pizzed at the rest and move on.
BTW my latest BOV is diesel, purchased with the idea of possible manufacturing of fuel.
I flipped on Apocalypse Man last night. What garbage! What was the swinging from the bridge stuff? How many folks do you know that would do that? Find another bridge or get a boat if you have to cross. For cryin' out loud.
He pulled a tire iron out of his pack and proclaimed what a great tool it was and you should carry it with you. What pish posh. If you need a tire iron get it from one of the abandoned vehicles.
When will Hollywood make a survival show that is both entertaining AND fact based? Sheesh.
From the sounds of it, I'm glad I didn't invest any time in it.
Rick, I was talking about the show to my helper and I said the same thing about the swinging on the bridge. I would just take a boat.
One thing I did notice about gloom and doom week, They just had to interject global warming everywhere. And this after the exposed conspiracy of the pro global warming scientists(sic).
I changed the channel, on a couple of those shows, for that very reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
Oh, sorry. I'm a bit out of breath. I've been busy running around and climbing up things. I didn't have an elevator shaft to test my escape and evasion skills so I tried the pulley on the barn. I've made a note that I thought I should pass along. It's a good idea to either tie the other end off before you jump out and grab the rope OR have a weight tied to it that weighs slightly less than you. In my case, that would be the John Deere tractor. Did I mention the ground is frozen?
and hard too!