I would have to say a M-16 style rifle for woods and a Ak-47 for urban survival. M-16 better range for hunting wildlife. Ak-47 better urban gun for penetration and knockdown. BTW love the site.
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I would have to say a M-16 style rifle for woods and a Ak-47 for urban survival. M-16 better range for hunting wildlife. Ak-47 better urban gun for penetration and knockdown. BTW love the site.
In an urban survival situation, you need to take ammunition into consideration.
You might use it up defending yourself. Something for which ammo would be easier to find is better, like a hunting rifle or something at uses common ammo.
I'll always go with an AR-7 if I have a choice.
Damn, you guys are packing AK's and M-16's in the woods? I can see military-issued weapons in urban terrain, but in the woods? Oh well. Dude I would have a Barret 50. cal. or like Flavor Bear said, a hunting rifle. Ak-47 do have knock-down power but I avoid them, there cheap Soviet-made weapons that make you look like a terriosts lol. M-16 sometimes break down quickly, or i think that was just in Vietnam.
Ya bro Ak-47 for hog hunting and a Bushmaster for deer and other wild game. If you had to just have one gun on you assault rifles are the best in my opinion. Ya the AK gives a negative feel but in a urban survival enviroment someone sees that gun and stays away. On the flip side a M-16 gives a good guy feel to it when PPl see it. Depends if your social or not lol.
I would think it would be better to not let anyone know you have a gun at all.
Welcome to the forum Bdog. How 'bout heading over to the introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. You can find it here http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...splay.php?f=14
Thanks Crash I might just do that.
Yeah Ak-47's are the best in Urban enviroment when it comes to scaring the enemy. I hate when people cover there gun stock with bright colors or gold. It provides no tactical advantage what so ever. Yeah maybe in a gang fight.
Actually, we have a thread on survival guns.
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...urvival+weapon
and several more as well.
I reckon if I'm ever in an urban survival situation and feel I need an automatic weapon I'll just shoot someone who has one with my old bolt action hunting rifle.
I dislike this kind of chat. I find it especially boring when folks talk about weapons they have never trained with.
Guns are for when you screw up. Mac
Yeah I never shot guns before, but from what I have seen before is what I have based my opinion on. Im all primitive weapons.
The best survival gun is the that gets the job done for you, be it a .22 or friggn .50 cal:D
Now if I was home I would check the gun safe and try and decide which would be the most effective. One problem, while I was trying to decide I reckon it would be too late so I guess I would grab the first one I came across.
I have to preface with the fact that I have never needed or used a firearm in a "survival scenario" and feel quite lucky about that. I do have some familiarity with firearms, primarily in remote areas and hunting.
I see a weapon as any other piece of equipment chosen for use in a potential "worst case scenario". Criteria I look for in my gear include:
Familiarity-
you have to be able to fix, maintain and trouble shoot problems with this piece of equipment, better than anyone. This potentially included fabrication of parts. You should also be well versed with its use, in multiple environements and settings. For example, I may have a really great, shiny item that will not work so well at night, in the rain, covered in mud and with hands numb from cold.
Use of consumables-
be it projectiles, cloth, meat or what ever this item uses...you will need to get more of the consumables, eventually. I have a friend who drives a really nice, foreign car. It broke down in a rural area and he couldn't get a very basic part to get him back on the road. Finding that rare calibre round might get a little tough.
Durability-
it has gotta take some use, in a rough environement.
Redundency-
two is one, one is none.
Any other things people look for?
Straight up... the Potatoe Cannon is surely the best all around weapon :D
Well, nice post. I like your redundancy statement. I think I'll start using that one.
Price is a consideration. I don't think you have to pay huge sums to acquire something good nor do you want to purchase the cheapest just because of the price.
awwww......shucks, thanks :)
In truth, that is not my statement. As with most everything I know, it is repeated from more proficient people than myself. That "two is one, one is none" came from some friends in the Navy. But it is a GREAT concept.
Overall, just one rifle?
.22LR
Most game is small not large
Can carry alot of ammo
Inexpensive ammo
Easy to shoot even for small people
Low report - stealthier
most common caliber for resupply
list goes on...
As do the threads.......:o
Yep, that Alaskan fella said it all again, too right klkak.Quote:
Originally Posted by klkak
No no I trained with the potatoe cannon for years, from ages 13 to 17 on and off and am fairly accurate with it. Other than that I agree.
Lol a 22 vs AK in urban enviroment only in a ambush. But first rule of urban combat travel with 5 or more. Course your 22 can take five ppl Im sure all with aks.Reality check plz.Quote:
Originally Posted by klkak
only problem w/ a potato gun is that if you use right guard as propellant they smell you be fore you can get a shot off......
Now a potatoe gun owns all other weapons period.
I am one of the last people too claim "expert level" with something, but a potato gun...man, that is my bag, baby.
Primer/propellent/fuel source: Aquanet hairspray (this cannot be substituted)
Ignition/firing: charcoal grill electric ignition (push button type)
Barrel: PVC of the smallest diameter to facilitate a good seal with the projectile/spud
You may be wondering where I did my "formal education in potato projectiles". Fire department competitions. We used to have potato gun contests, one station versus another...purely for accuracy and distance. After a few years, we were putting an average, store bought spud into a 55 gallon drum from about 100-110 yards, frequently. We also would knock the empty 55 gal drum over, when we hit it, most of the time. I've got some pics of the "weapons" and they are being sent over.
In all seriousness, there is no way in HELL I would wanna get shot by one of those things.
OK, Mr. Bdog. I did not say my "Old bolt action hunting rifle" was a .22!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdog
Further more, I would not hesitate to say that I've probably killed more game with a .22lr then most people have with a centerfire.
Next; I am not a proponent of the "Spray and Pray" marksmanship program. One well placed shot from a .22lr is more deadly then a whole magazine full of 7.62x39.
Lastly; I did not say I could take out 5 AKS carrying urban Rambo's. I said "I reckon if I'm ever in an urban survival situation and feel I need an automatic weapon I'll just shoot someone who has one with my old bolt action hunting rifle".
As an afterthought. Until you have been on the delivery and receiving ends of a given weapons system you can not speak with authority or credibility on its merits whether good or bad.
Allow me to drop a quote.
"What the hell was that?"
"That is the AK-47 assault rifle. It makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you."
I only found that line slightly amusing. As less then 72 hours before I heard those words I had been on the receiving end of several AK-47's which I might add were hushed by a single .22 caliber rifle. a single GAU-5 fired 7 rounds and killed 6 "MEN". The 6 "MEN" fired almost 100 rounds.
I will say once more.
I dislike this kind of chat. I find it especially boring when folks talk about weapons they have never trained with.
Whew! I feel so much better now that I've gotten that off my chest.
klkak, are tour numbers down from the average of the last few years. The booking to go up to Knik Glacier...? Or is it to early to till....?
Motorhomes from America are rare sight here a bouts.
Our numbers are down. I'm hopeful it is just a slow start. The owners had to raise the prices because of the cost of fuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeak
I too have seen a low number of motorhomes this year. I may have to get a 5 day a week job this winter if things don't pick up.:eek::(
Klkak well damn you know me. Wow you know my age. If I have been in the military. What weapons I have fired. Your a little arrogant sorry and if you dont like this kind of chat move along plz or go post about someone else you dont know and tell them how unexperienced they are lol.
Get'n kinda violent in here... I'm gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't forget who dogged who's post first. Oh and yes you are correct I am a little arrogant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdog
Now please go to the Introduction section and introduce yourself and tell us a little about yourself. Then we will all know what your experience level is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdog
Lol a 22 vs AK in urban environment only in a ambush. But first rule of urban combat travel with 5 or more. Course your 22 can take five ppl I'm sure all with AK's.Reality check plz.
First, I hope klkak had a good reason for shooting the five people I was with and second, knowing him, I am pretty sure he could accomplish it with a .22Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdog
My favorite survival rifle would be klkak with his favorite rifle.;)
Bdog, ooooooooooooooohhh that's so urban of you being from Gastonia a city in Gaston County in North Carolina with a total population of 68,964, ya sound like another suburban wanna be thug, not saying ya are... just sounds that way. Come on Klkak is right, shooting guns doesn't have all that much to do with survival, most Anericans do not tote a friggn gun everywhere they go... so in a survival situation their not going to have one. But most male americans do carry a knife, in fact our records show that 3 of every 7 males in america carries a knife of some type, so if it had been a group of five people walking around with big azz rambo knives and he had said "I'd stick them with my EK hunter then we would have something to talk about. Plus most of the people on here asking questions about guns are minors (no Teot not talking bout you bro,:D) so we kinda steer clear of that with kids.
AKS... anytime your in a city and five johnny butterbutts are walking with AK-47 its a good reason to shoot them, well in my book anyway. :D
Just my opinions.
P.S. I am pro gun and a member of the NRA and don't have a problem with gun topics on this forum but they do get kinda old.
Beo - Hey, bro. 2 of 3 of every 7? (gets calculated whirring.) Ah, look, man. You melted my calculator!:D
Oh yeah and if we say "Survival in Nam" or "Survival in Desert Storm" or in any war, then its in my opinion a different kinda of survival. Not taking anything away from any vet being that I am a vet of the Army myself to me it just a different kinda of survival. I am talking about an accident such as plane crash, sinking boat, lost in the deep forests-mountains-or jungles-or a snow storm. And urban survival.... pfffffffft what a friggn joke and I won't even go there.
My bad reading to many stat sheets with those tiny lil lines still in dot matrix print, I know my department is soooooooooooo cheap.
Fixed it.
Just pickin' on you a bit.:D
Good point...only he said, "Course your 22 can take five ppl Im sure all with aks" That's me. Don't know why he said it. Maybe he doesn't like turtles.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Beowulf65