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Much as I'd like to sign, I don't want to end up on the Terrorist Watchlist for my views. Thanks but no thanks.
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Originally Posted by GreatUsername
I really admire someone who stands up for his convictions. :sneaky2:
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Yeah...the WH will drop everything and get right on it.
If signing a non-threatening petition you believe in gets you on a watch-list, I'm proud to be on it.
In light of all the problems now being disclosed about some programs and policies within our federal government, we may very well be at a pivotal political crossroad. Where the arrogance of public officials and government employees who give misleading testimony or refuse to testify in proceedings to determine the facts have become the new norm. If we fail to unite with one voice to say:
"Fire and imprison those who abuse administrative oversight for political oppression. Investigate, prosecute and replace if necessary our Attorney General if he's found guilty of criminal acts. End clandestine programs which collect and indefinitely store the electronic communications between private US citizens who aren't suspected of any specific crime. No person or official should be in a position to suspend the rights of any American without due process and only when done in full view of a free press. Stop the militarization of the DHS, they're a law enforcement agency not an army. Restore the sanctity of our Constitution, it is not a document of convenience only to be followed when it doesn't interfere with some agenda, it is the supreme law of the land. If our SCOTUS doesn't defend the constitution from attack by either the Administration or Congress, we should establish the process and means to recall and replace them."
Either the power to govern comes from the consent of the free people of a nation or they are the property of the state and exist without these rights or freedom. Do I want to attract greater governmental scrutiny for standing on my principals? No, but I don't want to see this nation fall into a fascist regime where I am forever stripped of my freedoms either. It may now be time to take a stand. Shoulder to shoulder with the likes of an Edward Snowden or any other whistle blower who dares to step forward and shed some light on the illegal acts being committed in the name of "national security". Time to separate the men from the boys!
Petition Signature #8611
I have never understood where some of you get the impression that this pattern is new. The only thing I can see changed since the previous couple of generations, and in fact back far further, is the level of the technology available with which to do it.
Exactly right.Quote:
Originally Posted by canid
How quickly we forget the McCarthy era.
I completely agree, Canid. However, that level of technology now makes government oversight on its citizens incredibly easy and complete. They not only know where you have been but can now predict with a high level of certainity where you will be in the future on any given date and time...based on past activity; Predictive Modeling. They know what you purchase, who you call, what you email and any other mundane topic they might be interested in. That is simply not right.
GreatUserName: You are already on the radar screen. You just don't know it yet.
I signed it.
Of course it's not right. This is why I've been trying to get people to care for the last 10+ years.
Well today is your day! The ball is clearly in our court. What we do with the opportunity remains to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by canid
At the rate these signatures are accruing, and by published policy, the White House will be compelled to issue an official response to this petition within days. That should be an interesting release!
Write, call and email your elected representatives and tell them to put an end to this nonsense. I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists. I won't get in quite so much trouble shooting them. At least I might see daylight again.
Signing something this mild might get me off a couple of lists!
27,254 signatures as of 5:40 pm today
I cant believe that it hasn't reached 100,000 already, what the heck is wrong with people.
Up by more than 1,000 in the last 40 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by welderguy
Could it be that many people are too afraid :gagged: to sign?
Yep, there afraid of what list they may be put on for standing up for what is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Aren't you glad that none of them have your 6?Quote:
Originally Posted by welderguy
Aint that the truth!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Im sure with some of the sh!t i post Im on some list someplace. But ya know what who the hell cares !!!!!
On that list.... that's me.... on your left...... the guy waiving to you. :wavey:Quote:
Originally Posted by welderguy
Zactly!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
I figured id see you there. Im sure they have a file drawer full of just you. !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
If you can't respect yourself, nobody else should either.Quote:
Originally Posted by welderguy
I agree, trust me Im trying to fill up a drawer too!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
I've got your 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by welderguy
Thanks, Ditto!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
I trust you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by welderguy
33.5k signatures in a day. not too bad.
I signed. But, i agree. You have to write your reps.
I'm gonna hold my horses for now.
Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore & Al Gore in support of this guy. (Say, what?!)
John McCaine, Carl Rove, against.
More to this story than what it seems. I'm not rushing to judgement.
So in short you cant form your own opinion and have to wait to see what someone else thinks before acting on an issue that wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
That or she doesn't feel she has enough information to form a conclusion at all yet. Nothing wrong with that.
What more info is needed, he blew the whistle on wrong doing, there is a petition now to pardon him for any crimes associated with that what else needs to be known?Quote:
Originally Posted by canid
There may be no way to know yet. That's the entire point. Or are you omnicient?
Allow B her reservation of judgement. She's not trying to make up our minds.
I didnt even imply that, what Im asking her is what more proof does she need to make a decision, and why base it on who else agrees or disagrees with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by canid
At least try to spot the double standard at work here.
no double standard at all, She is not forming an opinion because of who supports him and who does not . I make my decisions on the issue and how i feel about it personally not how rush or rove feel about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by canid
Too Clarify what i was asking HER, was what info would she need to make a decision. and why does she feel there is more to the story and what could that be.
So Canid as far as your view point on what i was asking B is of little concern to me but thanks for trying to clear up what B ment.
You're a pretty smart guy. You can work it out if you try.