I seem to have remover my bumper from my jeep !!! ( read ripped it off ) while loading it onto my trailer!!! I have air bags in my jeep!!! the battery was not hooked up. My question is when i hook up my battery are my air bags going to go Poof !!!!
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I seem to have remover my bumper from my jeep !!! ( read ripped it off ) while loading it onto my trailer!!! I have air bags in my jeep!!! the battery was not hooked up. My question is when i hook up my battery are my air bags going to go Poof !!!!
There should be a breaker for your airbags. Remove that first.
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Just make sure you get some video of it.:gimp:
LOL yeah that could be entertaining!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert Rat!
No, the sensor on the pumper is an "impact" sensor. That sensor has to be connected and be subject to a sudden 15-25MPH (depending on make/model) decrease to deploy the airbags. With the sensor detached, the only thing that should happen is that you have an airbag dummy light on.
Check on-line for a breaker, a secondary switch, and the location of the sensor itself. My Mustang has THREE separate modules that control the air bags. I'm betting that the Jeep ain't much different.
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Originally Posted by natertot
Does it look like this? http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ine=1251850495
I did just that and there are 2 breakers and a relay. I will remove all of them and just deal with the light. I guess Ill be making a diamond plate bumper sooner than i thought!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Ken Isnt that a HOT AIR BAG dummy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
How long was the battery disconnected? I've also heard that for a few hours, maybe days, after a battery is disconnected, the air bags can still deploy. If the battery wasn't disconnected for long, I wouldn't think you'd have much to worry about if the air bags didn't deploy when the sudden jar first happened.
What year and trim Mustang do you have? It should only have one airbag module, although it does receive some input from the ECM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
'96 Cobra SVT. Brought it in because the supposedly disabled factory alarm began to have conflicts with the aftermarket (CompuStar) alarm and remote start (5 speed compatible) which was causing the car to stall and shut down, even at high speeds. (But NEVER over 65mph :innocent: ) The problem sent the entire electronics package into convulsions, with gauges and everything else acting like the car was possessed. The mechanics told me they disconnected EVERYTHING, including the 3 air bag units, because something or another was crossed over, and they didn't want to have a $2,000 misstep before they fixed the mess. Turns out that the problem was with the CompuStar itself....Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
Hey Welder! Crash is slipping!!!! LOL! He moved my reply to this post.....
.... but HE FORGOT TO MOVE THE IMPORTANT ONE! :tt2:Quote:
Originally Posted by welderguy
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Originally Posted by Ken
Battery has been out for a few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by RangerXanatos
Yeah I saw that!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
The '96 does only have one module, it is located under the dash above the tranny tunnel. It also has two sensors behind the front bumber located on either side to detect right/left side impacts. The sensors give input to the ACM and the ACM shares input from the ECM as well. ECM tells ACM speed data and the ACM alerts the ECM when it has deployed the airbags so the ECM can shut of the engine to help prevent fire or other possible things happening as a result of the accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Aftermarket remote starters and alarms wreak havoc on a cars electrical system, sooner or later. If one must have one of these, get a kit from the car manufacture and have a dealership do the install.
I'm now flipping through my '96 Mustang "Electrical and Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual." I can barely lift the Service Manual. The thing must be 2,500 pages long. Can't tell, because it's broken down into sections rather than sequential page numbers.
It shows a "data link collector," left and right "primary crash sensors," a "diagnostic monitor," and a "clock spring assembly" that "electrically connects steering wheel controls to body harness." And this is why I have Ford mechanics work on my car.
Thinking about it further, the tech probly meant that he disconnected the three modules which would be the Engine Control Module, AIrbag Control Module and the Anti-lock Break System Module. For the 94-04 Mustang, I don't think they had any more than those three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
What makes me chuckle is that the "Electrical and Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual" advises to not attempt a diagnosis or troubleshoot of the air-bag restraint system without first consulting the Service Manual. These things must have been written by mechanic lawyers.Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
It's also got a Powertrain Control Module and a Constant Control Relay Module.Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
The left and right primary crash sensors are what's behind the front bumper. Diagnostic monitor is the dummy light in the dash that will flash. Count the flashes and it will give you diagnostic codes. Clock spring assembly is in the steering wheel and connects to the body harness in the steering column which your driver airbag is wired through. Airbag plugs into clock spring assembly, clock spring assembly connects to body harness, body harness connects to the ACM. The book may be calling the Airbag Control Module the "Data Link Collector", but I'm not certain. That wording doesn't ring a bell to me, but it has been nearly ten years since since I was a Ford Intern Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
+1 on taking your car to a Ford Tech.
PCM is the same as PCU, ECM, ECU. Powertrain Control Module (Unit) Engine Control Module (Unit). Depends on the year of manufacture. Ford changes their names for the same thing overtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
The CCRM controls your radiator fan. It is more of a relay than a module and is actually controlled by you PCM. PCM gets data from the heat sensors, when the PCM thinks the engine is getting too hot, it tells the CCRM to turn on the cooling fan.
Now you know how I feel!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
I'm putting the books down now. I have a headache. Think I'll just read something simple, like "Conflicts of Law and International Trade Agreements."Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
Putting them down? We were just getting to the good stuff! I don't think I'll ask about "Conlicts of Law and International Trade Agreements" as I don't want your headache! :gagged:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Sorry to the OP for another thread hijack by yours truly. Once again, if the sensor is removed and the wires are covered and not crossed, the bags should not deploy. You should only get the airbag light on your dash.
Well, in that case, why don't they simply use 2 C250 instrument clusters instead of a C250 and a C251?Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
I don't know the design decisions, just know a few things when crap goes wrong. I'd have to guess it would depend on the info the designers wanted to display and how many wiring connections were needed. Just pulling that out from where the sun don't shine as I really do not know. I don't even know what C250 and C251 are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
They're both 16 pin instrument clusters. #16 is on the left side on both. C250 goes from 16 - 8 with a break and then from 7 - 1. C251 goes from 16 - 10 with a break and then from 9 - 1. Otherwise they appear functionally identical. I figure it must be for the same reason that I had to have half of the top of the engine removed to replace a faulty tranny fluid cooler door sensor so that the damn check engine light would go off and I could get my new inspection sticker.
Are you getting C250 and C251 from a schematic or diagram? If so, that would be the code for the connection. C250 would be Connection #250 and C251 would be Connection #251. No two connections would ever have the same number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Diagrams of two instrument clusters. Page 60-6 of the Electrical and Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual. One is labeled C250 Instrument Cluster and the other is labeled C251 Instrument Cluster.
After experiencing a heat sensor problem on my '99 F 150, (under manifold $1300 bucks), and a lengthy quest to find the fuse for the trailer running lights, (shorted plug) on the 2008 F 250.....I have discovered that service manuals, and owner manuals are completely useless.
Dealer techs are a bit better but do expect you to pay form their lack of knowledge, (reference the 2 visit, not finding the problem the first time, so having to pay for the second visit).
Having been around awhile, and built several race cars from basically scratch, HVAC service tech for 10 years, so don't feel I am totally stupid, but I have concluded.....we need not worry about EMP and such......our gadgets will be out down fall on any thing newer the maybe 1969? or so.
If all else fails, park in field and use for chicken coop, they make new ones evert day.
Good luck on your quest on the Jeep, must have been interesting to get to that stage.
It was very interesting, my ramps slipped just as the front tires were coming off the trailer. Grand Cherokee bumpers are not ment to support the weight of the jeep, so now it laying next to the jeep.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Hehehe.....He keeps it on the drivers seat, so he can see over the steering wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
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