Living Off The Land Permanently

speaking from personall experience i would choose flagstaff arizona.

as a us citizen u have the right to live in the national forest for 30 days at a time then must move for 15 days. flag staff has two forest the coconinno and the kiabab i lived in my truck w/ a camper on the back if a ranger sees you emphasis on if then your time starts then just go across town to the differnt national forest plus you are close to town for day labor and food kitchens also if you go deeper i forest most likely never be seen even if you do have a fire who cares it's a forest lots of ppl camp.

now if you are looking to set up camp/ permanete shelter look at idaho/sawtooth mountains or alaska.

go to www.aloneinthewildernes.com see what richard prenoke did my hero.

Yes, it is possible though you have to be careful not becoming an ecological disaster. It can take a fair amount of natural resources to support a person in the wild.

I suggest making a number of low-key debris huts throughout the forest, staying in each for only a week or less before moving on. Cycle though them. Do some fishing in each area, a little trapping, then move on. In that way you don't make it too obvious someone is actually living for the long term in any one spot and you give the wildlife a chance to make a comeback while you are away.

The trapping part is problematic, though. People can find your traps and you will need a permit - without which you may find yourself a hunted man.

I used to live in Alaska and there are people that live like that up there. I didn’t know all the laws but I know there’s ways to legally do that.

www.aloneinthewilderness.com
also look at timothy treadwell

lots of ppl just disappear up there. Idaho is a great place to just dissapear.actually that just reminded me of a website type in how to disappear see what you get.

i just googled squatters rights in alaska and also how to live off the land in alsaka.. interestingly enough only 20% of alsaka is populated and allot of empty cabins along the coast line doubt you would get arrested for living in one, but with all that unused country i suppose one could build a shelter under the brush and trees and never be bothered again thou if you do that write a daily journel so if something happens we can read your travels and on the other hand if ya do it for a few yrs it would make a great book to read.


always be prepared

You could probably go years without seeing another human up there if you wanted to. You can still get free or really cheap land in Alaska you know.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Homes...t-Program.aspx

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green...01/Alaska.aspx

It might be difficult to subsist for long periods of time with zero resupply. The ideal location would have towns within a day's walking distance and enough influx of tourists so that a new face in town is not even noticed.

In many rural areas if you walk into town once every couple of months the locals are going to put 2 and 2 together and figure you are living out in the woods. They will wonder what you are up to and chances are someone is going to get curious and look you up.

that's the beauty of flagstaff lot's of tourists and ppl staying short times there hard to get noticed..

buy the book best flagstaff day hikes, gives you tons of area to get lost in.

i lived off the land there for three months in the mid 90's hiding out, you can build shelters in the canyons out of small boulders around a lean to and cover you fire very well as long as it is an indian fire and not a white mans fire..

always be prepared.

Wow i really hope this dream of yours works out for you! Thats always been my "plan b" if things dont work out...

I concur about Flagstaff. It's really a gorgeous location that seems to be busy almost year-round. A 2nd choice would be Gatlinburg, TN. It's like a Flagstaff of the South.

Otay with the attitude you have now you won't last long in the wilderness. Already you're talking about getting back to town. Start out like wareagle and live off the land for 3 months, then take it from there. Good luck living your dream.

to survive , in Alaska or Oregen can be done, but it is cold and wet,
a growing season is short, and big brother is way to close for comfort , it has good game hunting and nice views, for sure. i dont understand why anyone would stay in the USA to survive, there are way to many people. with the fat quad hunters, zooming from one peak to another. and helicopters over head, just looking around. there really is no where up there to hide. im sure there are hiding spots. but not enof.. but Brazil,, now we are talking!

nice links,, thanks

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to survive , in Alaska or Oregen can be done, but it is cold and wet,
a growing season is short, and big brother is way to close for comfort , it has good game hunting and nice views, for sure. i dont understand why anyone would stay in the USA to survive, there are way to many people. with the fat quad hunters, zooming from one peak to another. and helicopters over head, just looking around. there really is no where up there to hide. im sure there are hiding spots. but not enof.. but Brazil,, now we are talking!

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There’s lots of uninhabited land in AK, land you can disappear in, plenty of places to hide. Places where you can’t hear or see any sign of humanity or people. There are not even a lot of roads in Alaska. It depends on where in AK you are.

As far as cold and wet goes Alaska’s a big place and it has many climates, some parts are really dry especially up north. If you’re taking about southeast AK like Ketchikan well the weather is very wet since it is a temperate rainforest and the winter temperatures average in the 30's which for a temperate zone that far north is pretty reasonable. The growing season is short but some things thrive up there like berries and rhubarb for example.

crash, you have a point about gatlinburg beautiful area i only know what i saw of it for a week so not much experience like flagstaff.

corndog, i would not say he has a defeatist attitude. even my uncle who trapped and lived off the land up where i have now taken over would walk across the ice or paddle the 20 miles to the main road the walk 6 miles to town once a month to resupply with the basics.

when i lived in flagstaff, there was lots of times that i would work day labor jobs for cash eat at a church then go back to the bush some times i would spend a week near town then other times go deep country.

if you cannot farm then you will need to resupply. black barts truck stop is a good place to shower and shave then watch some tv catch up then disappear again. if i had to hide out again that's a good choice. not my first anymore but a good one nonetheless..

always be prepared..

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Any idea of the best "stealthy" shelter to make? I like the idea of flagstaff or at least some place like it, where I would go unnoticed when I came into town to get some things. I'd like to make some sort of long term shelter with a fire pit inside that would be hard to notice even if you were standing right next to it. Am I being unrealistic?

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Like I wrote, a debris hut would do nicely and you can just about walk on top of it without knowing it is there. Neophytes would think "log cabin". This is wrong - stick out like a sore thumb from the ground or in the air.

Head up into Northern Montana or Western Canada, Alaska would be great too, just go way out and I mean waaaay out and build a small cabin. Dig down bout a foot or two and then log it up, will take some time but use debris hut till finished. The most that will happen iis they ask you to move. Nothing is impossible, only our mind is limited to what we think we can do. Once there hunt for food (deer, elk, moose, rabbit, squirrel, beaver, ect.) but ya gotta know how to clean them, cook them, preserve them, so ya need a storage shed (or smoke house or freezer in the winter, and salt for preserving), for long term (life) living ya gonna need cookware, cast iron skillets, and a big cast iron pan, bags for storing and etc. It can be done but is very hard to just walk off and do. Take plenty of preperation time. It was done along time ago so it can be done now with the preperations.

Oxbow Mountains.

There in with the Montana beartooth mnts. and bitterroot mnts.