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Meany here plan on bugging out of things go bad. If you plan on bugging out do you also plan on using a tent and if so that type maybe a Tepee or Yurt I mean this is not a camp out there is going be storms , snow, bugs and for heat just an open fire or may be a Elk hunting store I have seen some as light as 18 lbs.. There would be less wood need for heat with a stove. So tent or no tent. heating stove or not
i have plans to build a travel yurt. i'm aiming it around 30lb, synthetic insulated and about 10' dia by 6' high at center and including a small wood stove. this is mostly a hobby poroject, but it will fit into my trunk and i could probably think of many occasions to stay comfortably in it.
other than that, i mostly use a rain-fly when i need shelter out doors.
I am going with the Yurt as well for just that reason, they can fit in the car . A Tepee I would need my truck and a trailer
A wood stove is essential. You can buy them but making your own tent is a great hobby. I greatly encourage that you try it yourself.
i plan to, and to enjoy it.
where i live now there is little need for a stove, or even a fire, even in much of the mountains nearby but i like spending time in the woods in oregon, washington, idaho, etc.
With a stove not as much wood is need . One winter I did not got off work in time to get my own wood and I would not pay what the wood boys wanted so all winter I heated with what I could pick up here and there . and in the tent it did not take that much and I had some 17 deg. days
yeah, we only get a few 32 deg nights around here with highs in the 50s-60s.
Every one will think us Sissy for our mild winters AND YOU NEED FIRE TO KEEP WARM ....I can just hear it
lol even the ppl who probably will tease you sissy's (ha ha jk) would still have a fire to keep warm if they were there and it was 32 or 17 degrees
Will ..with that comes 90% humidity and it can get very cold , to the BONE COLD :(
I have a lot of tents, running the gamet from 12'X12' canvas to a couple of little 5 pound nylon backpacking tents and one Hennessy Hammock (that I've never actually used camping). I like the canvas ones best, though I have an old one made of Egyptian cotton that is very nice and fairly light weight.
Probably my favorite tent is a canvas Snowtrekker - made by Empire Canvas Works. It seems small when you set it up, but large when you get inside. I heat it with an eight pound titanium stove, made by Four Dog Stove Co. The stove is fairly air tight and will hold a fire all night if you have good wood. Sure makes for a cozy camp.
I thought the price of the stove was outrageous when I bought it, but it was over twice as much the last time I checked. Total weight of the stove and tent are 20 pounds. Works great for hauling on a toboggan, though it is a bit much for canoe travel if you have a lot of portages. It does work well for a canoeing base camp, and is great for hunting season.
We've lived "out" a couple of seasons, over the years, and one year we lived in a "ridge pole lodge" on a 1/4 section on a creek and a small lake - near the BWCA. It is a great place to camp with brook trout in the creek and good size northerns in the flowage. It is also close to good ricing waters and our sugar bush. This ridgepole lodge is an Ojibwe derived dwelling which looks like two tipis with a ridgepole between them. Originally constructed with a bark exterior, the one we lived in was covered with canvas. With a firepit with two covered draft trenches dug to the exterior of the lodge, it was a very comfortable way to live. We had side draft curtains and an onan, so it kept us warm way into the autumn - though we pulled up stakes before the snow came.
Our other long term outing we spent in a 1928 "Arrowhead #2 Touring" tent made by the Duluth Tent and Awning Company (the same folks who make Duluth Packs). We built a wooden floor for the tent and had very comfortable living quarters on a river.
No tent for me. I'll just shack up in your abandoned house or barn. Use your fireplace or stove to heat it and stay out of the rain and cold. Take advantage of what's available.
I had an uncle that was in the Marines in WWII. He hit a number of beaches and was wounded three times. He swore he never stepped onto a beach with anything other than his canteen if he wasn't in the first wave. Everything he needed, rifle, ammo, et al., was already on the beach. No use carrying it in. I sort of adopted that philosophy. Think of how many folks will be buggin' out and how many places are going to be empty.
Rick, Think of all the stuff that was cast aside the trail In the Gold Rush stampeeds. Maybe the place to "BUGOUT" to is the city dump, talk about living off the land, or the "Fat" of the land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Another idea, We go to the public fishing holes in the winter, when the water level drops, and recover hundreds of snagged, like new fishing spinner, spoons, and a few rods n' reels.
Perhaps if a BUGOUTER waited till the following spring, He could find lots of nice "HALF Built" log cabins In the National Parks.
Folks are going to flee and leave tons of stuff behind. Every home as a water heater, that's clean water. Not too mention can goods that will be left behind. Just me and the rats scavenging till our little hearts are content while they shoot it out on the road to nowhere. Then we can just cruise the interstates and gather up what we need after they kill each other. I think I'll go watch Omega Man now.
Rick ... Sad, but true, isn't it? I am sort of a WW2 "junkie", I suppose. "Saving Private Ryan" ... "Band of Brothers", etc. Your Uncle, of course, makes perfect sense and a very realistic point. A whole lot of "wanna-be's" will only be half prepared for any real disaster, and I agree, the roads and waysides will be littered with the stuff they half planned for. I am sure you would also agree, though, that being ready is still the best plan personally to have. I recall a comment Owl Girl made awhile back in another thread, where she said something to the effect that "I am responsible for my own well-being, and not depending on another for providing for it." I hope I didn't misquote her too badly, but her point stands. Maybe you'll be able to make it on the things left behind, but the beaches of Normandy were a bit more "concentrated" in the collection points of the necessities than I believe the average wilderness setting will be ... or even suburban setting, for that matter. Look at the aftermath of Katrina for what I'm getting at. Roaming bands of thugs looking for loot and rape. Better not to need to confront the creeps because I have what I need cached in a pre-planned gathering place for myself and a select group away from the teeming twits. There may alo be something in the notion of "Bugging In". Worth pondering. BTW, howdy, neighbor to the south! NortWind
Another comment ... I also agree with your comment of cruising around AFTER the twits eliminate one another, and scavenge/collect what got left behind. Would have to see how long it took them to pick each other off ... and I'll still need to keep body and soul together until then. (We are probably WAY the heck off thread ... heee heee :)
Oh, don't get me wrong. I have my BOB at the ready. I don't practice my skills just to stay here, I just happen to think you are more vulnerable when you are on the road. Especially if you are trapped in a mess like Houston saw when Katrina approached. My step brother as in that traffic and he shared some pretty hair raising stories. I've said elsewhere I'll hang here unless I have to move but I'll try and time that so it's not at the same time as the masses. Might be before, might be after.
I don't have a tent. My son does has a small one that would be enough for his family. I have a tarp that would be just fine for my wife and I. If, as Smok said, the weather is bad then I'll have to build something more substantial. I'm not too sure a Wickiup or even a Hogan wouldn't be something I'd tackle.
wikiups, debris shelters etc. can be much more substantial shelter than a tent and still be done in a day or so. i love building debris shelters.
You bet. The old, old shelters were mostly den or nest type shelters. Dug into a bank similar to a cave or something on the order of a hogan. Either one covered over with logs and dirt. A couple of guys can build one pretty quickly and they can be really warm and waterproof.
Something else to consider is that even though you might have an 'ideal' bug out spot in mind, the chances are, if you've seen it, so has someone else. You might arrive to find someone, or several someones, already in residence. Or you may need to be prepared to defend it from interlopers, which will take a lot of time and energy you'd rather be using for staying alive.
I'm still inclined to think my home would be one of the better places to stay. At least until the coffee runs out.