Pics of my Mtn Survival Retreat

[Mtnman Mike]

Here are some pics of what I have done on my mtn survival retreat from mid June to Nov. 1st. I have spent every year on this mtn place for the last ten years for about five months, sometimes staying up there until mid Nov. Then I have to go back to Greeley, CO for the winter until June. I really dislike city life but have to make some money to pay the property taxes and be able to buy supplies to be able to Live the way I want and need to live on my mtn retreat.

I could go into great detail about each pic but hopefully the title - caption on each thumbnail pic is enough. If anyone has any questions or comments about anything on this thread please post. Btw, I am not bragging about anything I do or have built. Just sharing some experiences.

I could explain each pic but the title on each pic hopefully will be enough to tell what it is about. People can also use their imagination when looking at these pics. Such as imagine how the terrain can be used to the best advantage. Especially my hillside looks down on the private road. Some days there is no traffic but on weekends there can be a dozen or more vehicles.

I like to sit up on the hillside and watch wildlife & human traffic and usually freeze when traffic comes down the road and I think no one sees me unless I move.

Anyone can ask me anything about these pics and my mtn survival retreat. Also any comments or suggestions on how to improve my retreat will be welcome.

I am just trying show how it is possible to build a retreat with little money. I paid $8,000 for the 3 and 1/2 acres in 1987 and have spent maybe $4,000 since building and Living on my mtn place.
Two sides of my land are bordered by a million acre national forest. I am not showing Everything but these pics should give you a good idea what I have done, building everything by myself, with few tools. Such as hammer, shovels, chainsaw, ax etc.

These pics are in chronological order, for the most part, beginning in mid June 2009, when I got back up to my mtn place to Nov. 1st when I left.

There are at least 54 pics in several posts just on this first page in case any wish to see All the pics >

[Mtnman Mike]

Seems that there is a limit of five pics to each post. It says: "You have uploaded the maximum of 5 files." I have about a hundred pics but will limit it today. Maybe post fifty or more in this thread if any wish to see them all.

Here are more pics showing what I did to get ready to live on my retreat all summer until November. After I filled the 6 gallon container from the spring on my land, I filled the Big Berkey water filter. I used this filter everyday, even twice a day, from June to Nov.

Also showing the 3 solar panels on top of a tree stump. The 12 volt battery etc. is in a box behind the stump.

These other pics show a couple wood piles that I cut and later split. I have an overabundance of dead trees for building a future cabin and for firewood.

The fire shown is of when I burned the waste out of the outhouse. I remove the plastic sheet walls then burn which is best since I do not want to put an outhouse in other places around my land, for now anyway.

[Mtnman Mike]

Here are a couple pics of my large woodshed, the front and side view. This woodshed is like a pole barn, which I used about 100 poles and logs from trees on and near my land.
There are also 7 live trees as part of this shed. Maybe most of you can tell which are the live trees. One is a very large Engelmann Spruce tree. When the wind blows the shed does creak but it has withstood more than ten years of harsh winters - up to 12 feet of snowpack.

I also have quite a few pics of my springs. But will only post the best ones. The most water in the springs is when the snow is melting from May to around mid July. By early Sept. there is much less water and in dry years only have one spring. But that one main spring has never dried up and is usually from 3 feet wide and 2 to 3 feet deep in June to about 2 feet wide and 1/2 a foot deep by Sept.

[Mtnman Mike]

Mike,

Kind sir, could I get you to post just "one" of the final pictures. Did you build that private road yourself? If so, with what equipment?

P.S. - Its so cool to see someone using a Berkey on a daily basis (and you got a deal if I recall).

Thanks for the questions. I love answering questions about my survival retreat since I almost never have anyone who is interested in "real" life.

I did not build the private road. It was built around 1975 i believe, and when I bought my mtn land in 1987 there were only 4 other cabins up there. Now in 2009 there are at least 25 cabins within a couple miles of my place. The nearest cabin is at least 1/3 of a mile downhill.
There is one lot across the road, downhill, that is for sale though.

This private road begins at the state highway a mile away and goes in a circle and is at least 2 miles in length. There are also a couple dead end off shoots. My land is the highest of any of the lots in this "sub-division" which the developers call it. I call it a suburb of the ghost town of Battle, Wyoming, which is a little over half a mile up hill.

I was also the only one of all the people who own land and have built cabins who has not used a bull dozer. I have a 60 plus year old logging road on which I built my first shed and have my driveway/parking place.

And the pic of my Big Berkey shows a green sticker in the upper right corner which Maybe some can see. That sticker I left on the box and it says $10 which is the price I paid for this Big Berkey drip filter with 4 ceramic filters, which were wrapped new in the box. Also one extra ceramic filter. I can tell no one ever used it. Possibly they got it as a present or maybe even for y2k? I love garage sales and almost half of everything I own has been bought at a sale.

I also have a Berkey light which I had to pay about $200 for. The Big Berkey I believe, costs over $250 new.

Also I have the pics in order in a folder on my computer. I will probably run out of room for there is a limit, I think, on the amount of pics one can post?
But I am not sure what you mean a final pic. Just have to be patient. But for those who have not seen my homepage where I have many pics with much info here it is > http://mtnmanmike.angelfire.com/mtnmanmikesretreat/index.album/beginning-of-my-private-road?i=0

About all the pics I am posting in this thread are new from this past summer and fall and not on my homepage site which I made about a year ago.

[NightShade]

Looks like a slice of heaven to me!... In addition to being more affordable to do the work yourself, I imagine you would get a much higher sense of "satisfaction" out of it. I'm looking into buying a large piece of land in either Maine or Nrthrn N.H... Or really anywhere remote I can find in New England, for a hunting camp, or vacation/survival retreat.
I intend on building it myself.. And forcing my son into "slave labor"..... You can bet i'll be picking your brain when the time comes!
For now, I'm wondering... What do you use for a heat source and cooking source?... I was thinkin of using a spare wood stove I have in the basement when I build my "slice of heaven"

[Mtnman Mike]

I have many pics of my underground cabin/bunker but maybe post those later.

Here are some interesting pics of the bothersome bear who came around off and on from mid Sept. to about Nov. I tried to get the best pics I could with the cheap disposable camera I had. Maybe next year I will use a digital camera although I think the pics will disappear if the batteries go dead? MAYbe I could upload pics to my email at the Encampment, Wyoming library which is 12 miles downhill.

This bear did quite a bit of damage and I was angry that he tore up a couple of my tents. Although he did not tear up my sleeping tent, which I have a strong wire fence around it.
Some have said I should have shot the bear but I was never afraid of him and he was a somewhat rare cinnamon brown bear, which I had never seen one that color before. I like to live and let live anyway.

The only time I have ever heard of anyone getting killed by a black bear was 10 or more years ago when a guy shot it which just made it mad and it killed the guy. The guy could have just went back inside his trailer but no he had to wound it.

The following pics are self-explanatory I hope, by reading the title - captions. Although any questions asked, I will answer.

[NightShade]

If you buy a digital camera, you don't lose pics when battery dies... There stored either in internal memory ir on some models a small memory card disk you slide in usually close to the batteries... I used to use film exclusively.. But since going digital I don't think I could go back!

[Mtnman Mike]

For now, I'm wondering... What do you use for a heat source and cooking source?... I was thinkin of using a spare wood stove I have in the basement when I build my "slice of heaven"


Not sure if I will post anymore pics today. Maybe tonight. If any know me they know I am very patient. One reason it has taken me since 1987 to build what I have on my retreat. Although I have only seriously been building since 1999. The first 12 years I was not up there some years except for only a couple days. And I hiked about every where within five to ten miles in every direction. Finding old mine shafts, pits etc. etc.

There is also a Fifty thousand plus acre pure wilderness area called Huston Park designated wilderness a mile to the south of my mtn place.

About a heat source is the first structure I built in 1988 was a campfire pit. I still have it and it is about the only place I can safely have a campfire since there are so many trees around.

I have done some primitive camping especially the first 12 years but the last ten years I have concentrated on a bunker, sheds, caching supplies etc. And beginning to build a small - 12x14 foot cabin on the hillside where I can see the beautiful Snowy Range mountains about 30 miles to the east.

I do have 4 woodstoves. One 55 gallon drum stove which really puts out the heat but also burns too much wood.

Inside the bunker are two woodstoves. One on each end of the bunker. A Franklin stove and a small airtight stove by the back trap door. Maybe I will post some pics although on my homepage are quite a few pics of some of that.

I cook on a Coleman dual fuel stove, only using unleaded gas since the Coleman fuel is more than twice the cost of unleaded.

I sometimes cook on a campfire or woodstove but the Coleman stove is the easiest and fastest to cook on. I have too much to do such as work for neighbors cutting trees etc. etc. and building my own retreat...

[Mtnman Mike]

If you buy a digital camera, you don't lose pics when battery dies... There stored either in internal memory ir on some models a small memory card disk you slide in usually close to the batteries... I used to use film exclusively.. But since going digital I don't think I could go back!

I like the cheap camera and at Wal-mart I just get the pics on a cd then put them on my computer.

But thanks for telling me about the digital which I might use next year. Even have video if possible. Especially if I document the building of my newest cabin which will be built into the hillside with the windows above ground.

But about a digital camera I wonder if it is way below freezing such as near zero if the camera would be Ok? I keep the cheap camera inside my pocket but it has gotten cold which has not seemed to hurt the pics. But I buy the cameras in early June then develop the pics around mid Nov.

[Mtnman Mike]

Ok a few more pics of the bear and some of the damage he did.
I can go into more detail about these pics although the captions tell a bit.

About the blurry pic and the bear paw is that I took that pic out the back window of my pickup truck. I had just finished eating inside the truck and it was starting to get dark a little before 6 pm - this was in late October.

I felt the back end of the truck go way down and thought it must be the bear. He climbed up into the bed and put his paws on the toolbox which can be seen in the pic.
This pic is blurry for it was real humid with condensation and melting snow outside.
At least I got a good pic of his claws and paw.

All for now since I have been putting these pics up for more than 2 hours. I just have slow dial up which I have to have since I am only on the net half the year and cannot get 1 or 2 year contracts for high speed internet...

[NightShade]

I have never noticed adverse conditions due to the cold with mine, with the exception of a slightly shorter bttry life when in the cold for extended times..
I hear ya with the cheap cameras though! One problem with mine is while its top of the line.. It was very expensive and I'm always worrying about breaking it or one of the lenses when I'm out and about.. That and the particular model is rather bulky to add to the pack..
I still pick up a disposable from time to time especially when goin kayaking or camping for more than a few days.

[crashdive123]

Nice pics. You can post up to 100 thumbnail pictures total. You can also upload pictures to your personal album on your profile page.

[2dumb2kwit]

I agree with NightShade....It looks like a slice of heaven, to me. Thanks for showing it to us, MM.:)

[hunter63]

Great pic's, good to see some one thats "doin'"
Keep-em comming and thanks for sharing, they serve a san insperation for all of us, I'm sure.

[Mtnman Mike]

Thanks for the good comments although I welcome even criticism if any can find something to criticise or even better, something that I could do to improve my retreat.

I could post at least 100 pictures just in this thread, probably won't but we shall see how this thread works out...

Here are five more pics showing my container garden. I ate quite a bit spinach putting several leaves in the stew I cooked twice or more a week.
But as seen in these pics, the bear stripped the broccoli and some other plants also.

If/when I make a greenhouse I must try to make it bear proof if possible. I did have a greenhouse 7x12 feet in 1996 but had to take it down, for the heavy snows would have crushed it. I concentrate on many other things than gardening but have done quite a bit of that also.

There are some berry bushes, mainly grouse berry and prickly currants. I planted raspberries on top of the bunker and should plant more berry bushes. I also have planted dandelions all over in the sunny areas of my land.

[Mtnman Mike]

These are about all the pics of the bear and the damage he did. I had heard that the bear got into a neighbor's cooler at their cabin a mile downhill from me. That bear got a frozen turkey and some other stuff. Much better than anything he got on my place. Although the broccoli was pretty good.

I think the bear drank most of that anti-freeze for it was empty. I guess it did not make him sick. Next year I will have to keep anti-freeze etc. etc. locked in the large tool box.

I have had other bears come thru mainly at night and tear apart tree stumps and turn over rocks to get insects, mainly ants with all their eggs. But this bear was the worst and even bit into cans. Must have been into campgrounds before he came up high to my area.

If he comes around again I won't be as friendly to him although I yelled and chased him away 3 times. The last time I chased that bear uphill for at least half a mile. That is when I found his den as seen in the one pic above.

I have a few animal pics but these are the best ones below.
I think I have seen every Rocky Mountain animal there is on or near my mtn place but not a grizz, mtn lion, wolverine or lynx. Just as soon not see a grizz :eek:

The last pic with the bear and guy in the back of the truck is the only pic not taken by me but I just had to add it.

[Mtnman Mike]

Not sure if too many will be interested in pics of my underground shelter/bunker but here they are in case a few would like to see them.

Any questions will be answered as well as I am able to answer.

[Mtnman Mike]

Going inside the underground shelter/bunker.

The bear tried to get inside and scratched the steel door and knocked over the outside stovepipe but could not get in.

[Mtnman Mike]

Continuing with the bunker pics, inside the front entrance and just beyond the front black steel door.

[Mtnman Mike]

Here is the roof of the bunker. Showing the layers and the finished roof. Also the back trap door with many rocks and it took at least 60 eighty pound bags of concrete mix to make this 3 foot thick roof just around this back door.

It took at least 250 eighty pound bags of concrete mix to make all of the roof and some walls. I carried them almost 200 feet up the mountain side about fifty feet above the private road. The bunker is at least 150 feet from the road.

[Rick]

Hey Mike. Just curious. What's the thickness of your steel door? That bear obviously got in the shed so I was wondering what you consider is a safe thickness. I'm sure humans are more troublesome than bears.

[crashdive123]

Mike do you have a wide shot of what the inside looks like?

[Mtnman Mike]

Hey Mike. Just curious. What's the thickness of your steel door? That bear obviously got in the shed so I was wondering what you consider is a safe thickness. I'm sure humans are more troublesome than bears.

The dimensions of the black steel door are 7x3 feet and 3 inches thick. It is a specially made door I obtained from a factory I worked at a few years ago. It is made of two 1/4 inch thick steel plates and is hollow. I would have filled it with concrete but would have had to use a cutting torch to open the top and it must weigh now at least 150 pounds.

I can also put bags of concrete in front of the door if necessary which I have many hardened bags I got from a landfill. I also was able to get both steel doors, several steel beams, much rebar, bricks etc. for free from that factory in CO which is now torn down.

I would like to have a bank vault door but doubt I will ever find or be able to afford one of those.

The bear got into 3 of my sheds tearing the plywood off two of them. And another shed the bear opened a screen door without damaging that door fortunately.

A couple years ago someone did try to break into my bunker. They did Not get inside. There is only a bent piece of metal as evidence of their trying to break in.
As can be seen in a pic, I have two chains, one is a large logging chain and two strong locks. When inside I have the bars to bar the door. I plan to put long dead bolts for more security.

I keep the back trap door bolted shut when I am not up there. But I will add another strong covering made of several sheets of plywood and using some farm discs that look like shields. Also I will add more dirt, rocks etc. and also If I get more time and energy I would like to dig twenty or more feet into the mountain. Even connect the bunker by a tunnel to a future cabin....

[Mtnman Mike]

Mike do you have a wide shot of what the inside looks like?

Hopefully this next summer I will get better pics. I have quite a few but just of certain views. It does not seem too small to me but for most people I am sure my bunker would seem too small.
It is a little over 20 feet long. The front part is at least 8 feet long and 7 feet wide and 8 feet high. The main room which is at an angle is 12 feet long and 7 feet wide. i mostly followed the plans from the following book but also used my own ideas such as putting in a strong plastic window which i can cover with bags of concrete if necessary but I keep it covered most of the time with plywood.

I had to make the bunker no more than 7 feet wide according to the plans and to make it as strong as possible. Any wider and the roof would be weaker. So no more than 7 feet wide but as long as I want. Would like to dig through the mountain and come out a couple miles on the western slope of the Continental Divide.
Probably won't happen unless I can find a hundred cheap "undocumented" workers.

Here are the plans I used to build the main room >

My bunker-underground shelter, is a pole shelter and I have dug into the side of a hill-mountain. The main room especially was made from these plans from this excellent free book > http://www.ki4u.com/free_book/s73p933.htm

From the above link which shows the main room plans >

http://www.ki4u.com/free_book/nw175.jpg

This design is told about in detail in the above link. It is Extremely strong since it was tested in nuclear tests in Nevada in the sixties. Pics of that are also in the above link.

Below is the pic I have to show the main room and below and to the right is the bunk bed in the bunker. Which I also use a small tent to sleep in on this bunk bed for there are some mice etc. that are hard to keep out.

A porcupine likes it under the bunk bed and I think he especially spends the winter in there. The bear hopefully will never get in the bunker but he has his own den which I showed a pic of that in a previous post.

There is also a pika which lives mainly in the ceiling of the bunker. There is a 4 inch space between the log roofs which the pika fills with plants, flowers etc. In the pic I showed of the 3 layered roof maybe people can see the plants etc. around the skis which the pika packed those plants there.

He also fills a shed although maybe there is more than one pika. I like to call them rock rabbits and usually only see pikas above tree line. This one must like forests and bunkers. I also had a pika ten years ago stay in my A-frame shed for 4 years.

Below is the pic and not sure if I can post anymore for it seems filled up. I will probably go put more pics on photopail and show them here someday in the future.

[Chiefman]

Very good Information and Pics. Thank you

[Mtnman Mike]

Thank you Chiefman and everyone else who has posted.

I try to make useful posts and I think many like pics especially about survival topics.

Hopefully someday I will post many more pics but here are some experiences I have had, of which I could go on for hours but here are some of the best ones >

A few have read the good experience I had with the wapiti > http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=73868

Others can also post their experiences If they have any, since this thread is supposed to also be about survival experiences. Mainly survival Retreat experiences but actually any experiences related to survival. I am very interested in hearing and even seeing some pics of anyone's BOL, homestead and/or survival retreat. I am sure many will not share, that is If they have a place, but it is nice to see others pics or stories and know that I am not tooo unusual.

One of the first and one of the worst survival experiences I had was in 1986 when I was climbing Long's Peak, a 14,000+ foot high mountain in N. Colorado. It was the middle of October and there was 2 feet of snow at 11,000 feet.
I liked hiking and climbing on that high mountain in October since I was the only one up there. I had went up in August and there were hundreds hiking - Long's Peak is in Rocky Mountain National Park.

I had a small backpack with a small pup tent and light but warm sleeping bag. Also some food such as food bars etc. & about a gallon of water since I was up there two nights and got back to the trailhead the 3rd day. No water above 10,000 feet, just lots of rocks and short grasses but in Oct. there was much snow and wind.

Seems like the most critical piece of equipment was my sleeping bag, for I could have made a lean-to shelter at tree line and above the trees where I camped the first night at 11,000 feet I could have sheltered in rocks. But the tent worked fine with the sleeping bag. It was nice to be up there at 11,000 feet alone and at night see the bright lights of Denver far to the SE 50+ miles away.

And in the morning waking up to the sound of white snow birds - ptarmigans flying over the tent.
I then tried to go to the top of Long's Peak but it was too snowy and windy. Would have had to climb along a ledge by myself to get to the top and I thought it was not worth the risk. I did climb a smaller mountain next to Long's - which was about 13,000 feet and could just climb up the sloping side. I thought I would take a short cut and go down the east face of this mountain. It was not too bad but soon got steep and slippery on a snowfield.

I slid quite a ways down that large snowfield (seems like it was more than 300 feet) and finally stopped using the aluminum tent stakes, jabbing them into the snow, stopping only a few feet from rocks at the end of the snow field.

But I was in my mid twenties then and did not know better. That was one of my first close calls in the wild.

I could wish I had a lot better equipment for I only had cheap stuff but it worked and I am here today to remember and tell about it.

I have had quite a few other hairy survival experiences some of which I try to forget such as getting hurt a few times ( spraining my ankle and having to lay in my tent for at least a week until it healed enough to walk on) getting hypothermic, having my hands and feet so cold that it hurt to warm them back up at a fire etc. and hiking back to my vehicle in a blizzard and even getting my various vehicles stuck in mud to 3 foot snow drifts.

[Camp10]

Your place is great! Could it be used year round if it needed to be?

[Mtnman Mike]

Your place is great! Could it be used year round if it needed to be?

It would be difficult to use my mtn place everyday & year round but If I really had to I could. I have been up there in January, March and April. By the end of April there is at least 12 feet of snow pack. My A-frame shed is 14 feet high and only the top 2 feet were showing in late April when I was up there a couple years ago.

The deep snow pack is good to make snow caves though as I have shown in a pic on my homepage.

But I hope to move up there and stay full time for even 10 or more years without hardly ever leaving except to go to the nearest town 12 miles downhill, which is Encampment, Wyoming.

I have to get much more firewood cut and split and stacked in the large woodshed also. And get more food etc. I do have two 55 gallon drums sealed and packed with much food such as 180 pounds of wheat, fifty pounds of pinto beans etc. etc. plus much canned food also.

I plan to build another cabin into the hillside and have started to dig and build some already. Maybe I will have pics of the progress of that next project. If/when I build the new small cabin then I will be even more ready to stay year round up there. I am unfortunately in the stinkin city of Greeley, Colorado right now until June trying to make money to pay the taxes and get more supplies.

More later....

[Stony]

what is the purpose of this exercise?

[Seams4u]

Hi Mike,
I don't get to retreat for months at a time like you do, but I live here in Encampment and love it. I know where you are at up there on the mountain, it's a lovely place to be, even in the winter. I envy you.
See you next year!

[crashdive123]

Hi Mike,
I don't get to retreat for months at a time like you do, but I live here in Encampment and love it. I know where you are at up there on the mountain, it's a lovely place to be, even in the winter. I envy you.
See you next year!

When you get a chance, how about retreating your way on over to the Introduction section and tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

[Mtnman Mike]

what is the purpose of this exercise?

And I would like to know what is the purpose of your question? Or hopefully you will explain what you mean exactly. I mean, I truly wish to know if you mean what is the purpose of my showing pics of a remote mtn survival retreat?
I think I tried to answer that in post #1 when I said I am not bragging but just sharing some experiences and how it is possible to build a retreat with little money.
I have seen many say they would need many thousands even a hundred thousand or a million dollars to build a survival retreat with bunker etc.

I have heard of some such as Tom Cruise who built a Ten Million dollar bunker near Telluride, Colorado but my bunker cost around $2,000 mainly for the many bags of concrete mix. I got most of the wood free from dead trees on and near my land.

This is not the first forum I have posted pics and told much about my survival retreat. Most say they love it and it helps inspire them to also build a retreat or get busy building a homestead etc.
I also want to say that if I can do what I have done with little money then possibly most should also be able to do it and even better and fancier if they wish to spend even more money.

I get tired of seeing many posts in several survival groups where people say "they Wish they could buy land and build a retreat etc." I also wished for a few years but in 1987 I just Did it! I knew I could not build too fancy but i wanted to build what I needed to build before I got too old or before it would be too late.

But If you mean what is the purpose of my building a remote survival retreat and wanting to Live in the woods and wilderness? Well, I could write a book. But possibly some of the posts and the pics show some of my reasons for that. Maybe I will go into more of my reasons in later posts, if any are interested.

Anyway, I truly am interested in what you mean when you posted: "what is the purpose of this exercise?" Thanks for asking but please explain.

[Mtnman Mike]

Hi Mike,
I don't get to retreat for months at a time like you do, but I live here in Encampment and love it. I know where you are at up there on the mountain, it's a lovely place to be, even in the winter. I envy you.
See you next year!

Wow, this is your very first post in this wilderness forum? And you just joined today, Maybe even to post in this thread?

But if you live in Encampment, Wyoming everyday, year round then you are doing a little better than me. Many in big cities might think that living in Encampment would be living a survival scenario. I might possibly even get a small place in Encampment for the winter although more likely and hopefully I will just stay on my mtn retreat with a cabin, bunker etc...

The only grocery store in Encampment closed the end of August. Although there is a couple "convenience" type stores on the edge of town, actually in Riverside (pop. 50)

So you know the private road and have even been down that road? Although you also know that in the winter it is very difficult to get to and would be best to use snowshoes. Deep powder and much snowpack from Nov. to the end of May up there.

But hope you will message or email me as well as anyone else who wishes to also. And I hope to see you on my mtn place and I most probably would show you around.

But If I do not recognize a vehicle or someone looks possibly unfriendly they will not see me unless I come out of the trees. I never wear camo in a city but do wear natural colors and even woodland camo on and near my mtn place.

And for those who don't know, the population of Encampment, WY is around 450 people. So it seems extremely rare to hear from someone from that small town. First time and this is also one Big reason I post the pics in the hopes of finding a very few good survivalists who might become my friends even in real life. I used to be hermit like and could still be if necessary but with pic threads and sharing I am reaching out.... :thumbup1:

[crashdive123]

Mtnman Mike - don't feel bad. None of us have been able to figure out Stony or what he means.

[Sourdough]

MtnMan Mike, I would like to offer you the massive kudos for for actually creating your vision. I know how hard it is, congratulations on living "YOUR" dream.

[rwc1969]

Mtn man, I am very much interested in finding a low cost, low tax alternative "retreat". I would be very interested in knowing what the total cost and maintenance costs are including taxes and such, if any.

I find it extremely interesting to see what it's like in different parts of the world.

There are so many little things that some tend to not consider when picking a place to "bugout" or whatever you like to call it.

[Mtnman Mike]

Mtnman Mike - don't feel bad. None of us have been able to figure out Stony or what he means.

Thanks but I don't feel bad. I have been posting some about my mtn retreat in various survival groups for at least ten years and 99% of people are nice and make good comments and ask all kinds of questions.

I welcome even criticism if it is possible to criticize or ridicule my mtn place.
One guy in alt.survival a couple years ago called me "just a camper" which he meant as an insult. I might be a camper on steroids maybe but not Just an average camper.

I also call myself Mtnman Mike not just because I like some mountain man rendezvous sometimes which Encampment, WY had a good one last July but because I spend more time in remote mountain areas, than anyone else I know.
And I am not talking about those who live in towns such as Aspen etc. but in primitive remote wilderness type areas. And Not in "mountains" such as those east of the Mississippi River but Real mountains like the Rocky Mountains. Hope I did not just pzz off everyone east of the Missisissippi. :online2long:

I just hope Stony will clarify what he means although I might have answered his question in the above post.

[Mtnman Mike]

Mtn man, I am very much interested in finding a low cost, low tax alternative "retreat". I would be very interested in knowing what the total cost and maintenance costs are including taxes and such, if any.

There are so many little things that some tend to not consider when picking a place to "bugout" or whatever you like to call it.

Thanks Sourdough, rwc and everyone. Sourdough you are one that I know from the few posts of yours that I have seen, who knows how extremely difficult it is living in wilderness or even in the country without modern conveniences.
About everyday I am on my mtn place I say to myself even many times a day: "Nothing is easy!" such as carrying everything up and down the mountain at 9,500 feet such as 80 pound bags of concrete over the spring and thru the woods uphill to my bunker. Which I can park only up to a little over 100 feet and before I got the large powerful Ford 4x4 I had to park 200 feet away and carry everything up hill.

Plus even cooking is not especially easy. And showering is over rated which I have went 2 or more weeks with only a little washing. I am alone though and have to keep up my mtn man lifestyle.
But no matter how difficult it is Living on my mtn place is infinitely better than any other "real" and "civilized" job I have ever had especially working for others.

And rwc, there is a lot across the private road from me that has been for sale for two years but they are asking the ridiculous price of $49,000 for 3 and 1/2 acres although there is a good spring and many trees. I can give links about that lot if any are interested.

I think they should come down much more though to sell it. Also my property taxes were only $50 a year 10 to 20 years ago but this past year they were $208 for my 3 and 1/2 acres that they still say is vacant land. Guess they are too scared to come up to see my bunker. And my woodshed is not seen from the road also.

Planes have flown over and heard that they can check for new buildings by flying over but my buildings are well camoflaged, especially the underground cabin/bunker.

And my maintenance is low although I try to add more concrete to the bunker every year. And paint some although I am going to go even more primitive and not buy so much stuff but use things more from the forest such as more logs etc. etc.

Just hope everyone will build and do what is needed before it is too late and I also mean before people get too old to do what they want and need to do.

Sorry if my posts are a little long but I am trying to hold back for I could type for hours....

[crashdive123]

He won't - he does not respond to questions. I have it on good authority that he will not be around too much.

[MtnManJoe]

I hadn't seen this thread before .. What prompted it to show up now .. And What the heck ever came of this project??
... "Inquiring Minds Want To Know "

[Seniorman]

I saw this thread not long after I joined here. As MtnMan Mike has not posted since late 2009, I've often wondered if he were okay and still working on his mountain retreat?

Anyone heard from him?

Hope he is well.

S.M.

[Rick]

He was logging on up until last year.

[randyt]

I see him out and about on the web now and then.

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