Where are the pitch-forks & baseball bats......?

[Sourdough]

10% unemployment......and the "Fat-cats" draw $10,MILLION or $20,Million dollar bonus. I really am shocked at the lack of outrage, where are the black leaders, where are the white leaders. Don Quixote where for art'thou......?

[doug1980]

I seen the interview with the President about this. I was shocked that he was so upset about it. It was kind of nice knowing he doesn't like it either. However, that won't change the fact that it happens and will continue to happen because no one will put an end to it. Doesn't seem very fair but that's Democracy in action.

[crashdive123]

He's not upset with it. My answer crosses the line too far into politcal discussion, so I will not post it here - but he is not upset with it.

[Sourdough]

He's not upset with it. My answer crosses the line too far into politcal discussion, so I will not post it here - but he is not upset with it.


And we know this because he is either part of the solution or part of the problem.

[2dumb2kwit]

He's not upset with it. My answer crosses the line too far into politcal discussion, so I will not post it here - but he is not upset with it.

Yeah! What crash said!:smash:

[BENESSE]

10% unemployment......and the "Fat-cats" draw $10,MILLION or $20,Million dollar bonus. I really am shocked at the lack of outrage, where are the black leaders, where are the white leaders. Don Quixote where for art'thou......?

Frankly Sourdough, there are SO many things to be outraged about
(no different now than in the last 8 years) that people have grown numb and apathetic.
As long as it doesn't affect them directly they'll just take it and ride the wave of discontent kvetching all the way.

[Rick]

Frankly, I don't see the problem. As I've said plenty of times before. Making the big bucks is the American dream and trying to link unemployment to the money they make is comparing apples and oranges. Sorry.

[Sourdough]

Frankly, I don't see the problem. As I've said plenty of times before. Making the big bucks is the American dream and trying to link unemployment to the money they make is comparing apples and oranges. Sorry.


Making the BIG Buck......earning the big bucks, creating or building something is different than Stealing the Big Bucks, and raping and destroying the United States Of America. The arrogance of Citi Corp. and Bank of America is over the top.

[Ole WV Coot]

I am no longer part of the working class I moved down a notch and almost anything is up. I am politically incorrect and too old to care. I can agree completely with Crash and do my slow burn quietly. I know for sure WV & KY will fold over the policies being pushed over coal as one example. I do believe jobs are available. I had to relocate, take jobs I thought at the time were beneath my qualifications. If I wanted I could work, I see plenty of jobs. I tried to hire a few men, they were a waste. I think this is a generation that thinks the world owes them. I hear someone say their job disappeared yet they refuse to relocate, now that ticks me off.

[Rick]

Sourdough - Well, it's your opinion. I just don't happen to share it. People have a choice of who they do business with. They don't have to do business with either company. But they do because there is a benefit in it for them or they really don't care. So who's fault is it, really? You call it raping America. Is that what it is when Joe Public takes out a three year balloon note on a house 2 times larger than he can afford and then gets caught with his pants down? Let's point the finger (which ever one you choose) at the real culprits...ourselves.

[BENESSE]

I am no longer part of the working class I moved down a notch and almost anything is up. I am politically incorrect and too old to care. I can agree completely with Crash and do my slow burn quietly. I know for sure WV & KY will fold over the policies being pushed over coal as one example. I do believe jobs are available. I had to relocate, take jobs I thought at the time were beneath my qualifications. If I wanted I could work, I see plenty of jobs. I tried to hire a few men, they were a waste. I think this is a generation that thinks the world owes them. I hear someone say their job disappeared yet they refuse to relocate, now that ticks me off.

AMEN Coot!
There are to many people who "don't do windows".

[BENESSE]

Is that what it is when Joe Public takes out a three year balloon note on a house 2 times larger than he can afford and then gets caught with his pants down? Let's point the finger (which ever one you choose) at the real culprits...ourselves.

That's another thing I deeply resent having to pay for--other people's sense of entitlement to something they haven't earned and stupidity in anticipating the consequences.

[Rick]

I do agree with that. I actually agree with the basis for Sourdough's post. I just don't see it through a one-way mirror. I think executive salaries are entirely out of line. The conundrum is how to fix them. On the one hand it's free enterprise so may the best person win. Companies have to pay lucrative wages to retain the very best they can employee. On the other they are publicly held companies that owe their stockholders, employees and communities more than what they've delivered. I simply don't know the answer to this one.

[rwc1969]

I seen the interview with the President about this. I was shocked that he was so upset about it. It was kind of nice knowing he doesn't like it either. However, that won't change the fact that it happens and will continue to happen because no one will put an end to it. Doesn't seem very fair but that's Democracy in action.

No it's not democracy in action. :sneaky2:

It's representative democracy and there is a huge difference. our rep's are representing the folks with the big bucks. until that changes we will continue to go downhill as a society and nation.

The people that agree with this kinda stuff are the ones that are benefiting from it or are too ignorant in their financial bliss to realize they should be against it. Unfortunate!

[SARKY]

They get a bonus for what exactly???? If the company actually makes a REAL profit because of their actions alone ....go for it!
Golden frackin' parachutes need to just plain go away! These A Holes negotiate their golden parachutes, screw the company and walk away richer than before. There is NO ACCOUNTABILITY for these basturds!

[crashdive123]

Just another thing to consider before denouncing executive compensation - Let's say a company is projected to lose 200 million dollars for the upcoming year. They go out and find an exec that negotiates his contract including compensation and bonuses that is approved by the BOD and shareholders. At the end of the year the company loses 10 million dollars. So, did this exec that got a high salary/bonus lose 10 million dollars, or save the company 190 million dollars?

[Sourdough]

Rick, 14 months ago these companies were broke/bankrupt, the taxpayers bailed them out. If they had to "Mark to Market Value" all the worthless derivatives paper, they are still broke/bankrupt. Yes, they deserve $10,Million for what.

[BENESSE]

For me it comes down to this:
Companies that received TARP money do not get to hand out bonuses, period.
Their employees are lucky to have jobs in the first place.
Now companies that didn't accept a handout get to manage their business any way they see fit. They answer to their BOD, not the Govt. or the tax payer.

When I worked for an agency that had a bad year or two, a lot of people were let go and those of us who weren't didn't receive a bonus that year. We didn't mind, we just felt incredibly lucky to be there.
All of us offered to take a pay cut so that some people could keep their jobs but that wasn't accepted.

[Ken]

Here's what I think started us down the sh!t-chute: when they started handing out credit cards en-masse in the late 60's.

Diners Club. Carte Blanche. BankAmericard. Remember them? :sneaky2:

So what did we achieve as a society? A sense of entitlement to instant gratification. I want it now - I'm getting it now!

No more saving up for a major purchase or consumer item. Hell no, just charge it! And pay for it later.....maybe. Need more? Get another card if yours is maxed!

And of course, the children were silently watching and "learning" ..........

That's why adults and kids today WANT IT AND WANT IT NOW! But not just television sets - it's cars, and houses, and vacation time-shares, and everything else that's advertised! And way too many people forgot that signing that sales slip or car loan or mortgage meant that SOMEDAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!!!!

The day we transitioned to an easy-credit-based consumer society was the beginning of the end.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Here's what I think started us down the sh!t-chute: when they started handing out credit cards en-masse in the late 60's.

Diners Club. Carte Blanche. BankAmericard. Remember them? :sneaky2:

So what did we achieve as a society? A sense of entitlement to instant gratification. I want it now - I'm getting it now!

No more saving up for a major purchase or consumer item. Hell no, just charge it! And pay for it later.....maybe. Need more? Get another card if yours is maxed!

And of course, the children were silently watching and "learning" ..........

That's why adults and kids today WANT IT AND WANT IT NOW! But not just television sets - it's cars, and houses, and vacation time-shares, and everything else that's advertised! And way too many people forgot that signing that sales slip or car loan or mortgage meant that SOMEDAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!!!!

The day we transitioned to an easy-credit-based consumer society was the beginning of the end.

Excellent Post! Make it a sticky!

[Geronimo!]

Here's what I think started us down the sh!t-chute: when they started handing out credit cards en-masse in the late 60's.

Diners Club. Carte Blanche. BankAmericard. Remember them? :sneaky2:

So what did we achieve as a society? A sense of entitlement to instant gratification. I want it now - I'm getting it now!

No more saving up for a major purchase or consumer item. Hell no, just charge it! And pay for it later.....maybe. Need more? Get another card if yours is maxed!

And of course, the children were silently watching and "learning" ..........

That's why adults and kids today WANT IT AND WANT IT NOW! But not just television sets - it's cars, and houses, and vacation time-shares, and everything else that's advertised! And way too many people forgot that signing that sales slip or car loan or mortgage meant that SOMEDAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!!!!

The day we transitioned to an easy-credit-based consumer society was the beginning of the end.

You're not a bankruptcy lawyer are you?:sneaky2:

[Ken]

You're not a bankruptcy lawyer are you?:sneaky2:

Nope.

.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Here's what I think started us down the sh!t-chute: when they started handing out credit cards en-masse in the late 60's.

Diners Club. Carte Blanche. BankAmericard. Remember them? :sneaky2:

So what did we achieve as a society? A sense of entitlement to instant gratification. I want it now - I'm getting it now!

No more saving up for a major purchase or consumer item. Hell no, just charge it! And pay for it later.....maybe. Need more? Get another card if yours is maxed!

And of course, the children were silently watching and "learning" ..........

That's why adults and kids today WANT IT AND WANT IT NOW! But not just television sets - it's cars, and houses, and vacation time-shares, and everything else that's advertised! And way too many people forgot that signing that sales slip or car loan or mortgage meant that SOMEDAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!!!!

The day we transitioned to an easy-credit-based consumer society was the beginning of the end.

Yes and stores are now Forcing consumers to get them in a way, by doing away with lay-aways, and selling even more expensive stuff than they did just a few years ago. Wal-Mart is the best example of what I am talking about here.
Personally I don't and WON'T Do business with the banks that are taking TARP money. I Hope they fail and another takes their place that will do what is right.
I wrote to one of my "washington representatives" (Not capitalized on purpose) about something that was of concern to me. I got a Reply. It was a very polite letter which basically told me to sit down, shut up, and enjoy the ride. Fact: I will vote for Whoever runs against him.
There is not a single denominator we can point to that is the "Cure", for what ails this Nation.
Not wanting to sound like a Doomsayer, But I can see similarities between the US of A and ancient Rome. If our current "Leaders"/Actors Don't get with the program,we will go the same way as ancient Rome.

Better get a seatbelt 'cause this is gonna' be one heck of a ride!

As to the original question - I have 2 pitchforks and several baseball caps. On the other hand I can't afford to be classified as a domestic Terrorist and have all their modern armament leveled against me. That is sheer suicide. Even in a "Legal" battle I can't afford to pay their Lawyer AND mine! Unless every citizen rose up and said "Enough is enough" it would do no good.

[Rick]

Ken - I think you are probably closer to the truth than just about anything I've seen. Marketing has done an excellent job of selling in this country. Fast everything. That was a very nice post.

Poco - How incredibly observant of you in your comparison to Rome. Excellent. I've often thought the very same thing. We should be somewhat less concerned with outside threats and much more concerned with inside threats. They are just as real.

Sourdough - There are certainly a lot of unethical and down right illegal operators out there. But I guess there have always been snake oil salesmen. Today they just operate on a larger scale.

Executive pay and bonuses isn't the problem. It's really a matter of ethics. We used to be a people founded on principles but I won't delve into the root of those principles. We've strayed and left our ethics in the ditch along side the road some place. We are not only a nation of fast everything we've also become a nation of me first.

I do not choose and will not live my life that way. I can thank my parents for that.

[your_comforting_company]

Personally I don't and WON'T Do business with the banks that are taking TARP money. I Hope they fail and another takes their place that will do what is right.
everyone should follow suit. How can a 10 billion dollar industry need "bailing out"? they didn't LOSE money, they just didn't make as much as they thought they should. If we were talking about small hometown businesses, they would be doing what I do.. getting a job and earning their keep. Bankrupt hometown stores just go broke... no bailouts for the little guys, only the big businesses.. that's not what is going to help the country.


Fact: I will vote for Whoever runs against him.
even better.. send the letter to the local newspaper and have them publish it.. the media eats that kind of thing up and you can use their exploitative nature for your own mischeif!


There is not a single denominator we can point to that is the "Cure", for what ails this Nation.
I disagree.. if you want to cure the financial ails of this nation, you gonna have to start from scratch. If you want a cure for this country, pray for economic collapse. Inflation cannot keep going at this rate when all the money is "credit"


Not wanting to sound like a Doomsayer, But I can see similarities between the US of A and ancient Rome. If our current "Leaders"/Actors Don't get with the program,we will go the same way as ancient Rome.
Give to Caesar what is Caesars, and unto God what is God's (Matthew 22:21)


Unless every citizen rose up and said "Enough is enough" it would do no good.
getting everyone to open their eyes, then stand up.. AND take action? come on.. america is too lazy for all that... can't I just pay someone else to do it for me?



Executive pay and bonuses isn't the problem. It's really a matter of ethics. We used to be a people founded on principles but I won't delve into the root of those principles. We've strayed and left our ethics in the ditch along side the road some place. We are not only a nation of fast everything we've also become a nation of me first.

I do not choose and will not live my life that way. I can thank my parents for that.
It really is a matter of ethics. In this "I'm the only one that matters" society, we forget that everyone else feels the same way.
Do a good deed for a stranger and see how that feels.. think about someone other than yourself, because in the grand scheme of things, you are just a pebble cast into a pond. you can skip a couple times and make a big splash, or you can plop like a cow pattie and sink to the bottom. the real reform comes in here.
A movie comes to mind called "Pay It Forward".

I won't live that way (self-centered) either.

and for the record.. I'm outraged. the best thing I can do is move away from the money dependence and learn to do for myself.

just my opinions...

[canid]

my fork is out in the garden, and my bat in next to the front door.

everything in it's place, thank you for asking.

[Ole WV Coot]

Ignorance is no excuse for downright stupidity. Folks who value themselves above what they are worth in the workplace are plentiful. People who borrow more than they can pay back and know it. People who choke on 5% interest when it was above 15% in the late '70s. People who think "plastic" is real money. People who think it's the government's responsibility to bail them out of their debts. A government that forces banks to make unsecured loans to so called minorities. I could go on and on. I completely agree with Dave Ramsey that Cash is King and have for many years. I either pay cash for everything or delay buying until I save enough cash. I live below my means so increases in utilities & products can be handled. I do not owe anyone anything and haven't for years. Now if everyone was like me the country would fold. Let's face it, we run on handouts, credit and debt with no personal accountability. I do believe, discounting health issues everyone can work at something. Too many Chiefs and not enough Braves in this crazy system. I am out of the rat race and I sure hope I stay out.

[rwc1969]

There never was a problem with economy until there was an economy in the first place. Throughout history there have been various approaches to economy and all have failed. The gold standard, socialism, capitalism, etc. It started with gold, and legal tender. If we went back to a barter and trade system everything would balance out. Eventually!

There's only so much water in the world. If one gets more water, then another is going to get less.

Did the native americans, europeans, africans, asians have depressions and recessions? Did they borrow more than they could repay? Did anyone come along and bail them out? I suppose they did have recessions and such; drought, disease, etc. But that was needed to keep the herd thin. Their lives were shorter, but perhaps more fulfilling. perhaps not! Nevertheless, the native or aboriginal way of living was far more sustainable than ours.

Everything comes at a price. We choose to live longer, healthier and more conveniently than our ancestors. There is a price for that. Overpopuation! By living longer and more conveniently we are in effect borrowing something from our future generations that we will not repay. They will be the ones to repay our debt. We are all borrowing whether we use plastic or not.

There's just not enough respources left to support us all the way we'd like to be supported. If people, governments and businesses looked more at sustainabilty rather than increasing profits and expanding we'd be on the right track. Unfortunately, we've come too far down this current road, too big for our britches, for that approach not to have a huge negative effect on someone or some group in the future. A thinning of the herd is in order and under the current way of doing things that is going to take a long time to accomplish.

Unfortunate!

[canid]

i hate to break it you, but since humans began making things and since some people developed useful skills others did not have, there has been an economy.

not all implementations of economy have worked, but one's just about as good as another when one has enough to eat, and they all fail the man who doesn't have it.

it'll probably always be that way.

[oldsoldier]

He's not upset with it. My answer crosses the line too far into politcal discussion, so I will not post it here - but he is not upset with it.

Agreed! just wondering on your take. If ya wany PM the answer.

[rwc1969]

i hate to break it you, but since humans began making things and since some people developed useful skills others did not have, there has been an economy...

Yea, barter and trade economy, if you want to call it economy. It wasn't until we went to using gov't money and hoarding gold that there was such an imbalance.

I don't consider ones ability to manipulate numbers and extract something from nothing a "useful skill". I'm sure others do and that's why we're in this situation.

With barter and trade you have no room for people who don't bring something of "true value" to the table.

[Rick]

With barter and trade you have no room for people who don't bring something of "true value" to the table.

Why would you think that? If I have a monopoly on any barter item. Water, salt, black powder, then you are going to pay me whatever I tell you to pay me. Perhaps I want 20 bottles of whiskey for a 1/2 pound of salt. Maybay 30. If you want salt you'll pay. Someone is ALWAYS going to have the upper hand.

There really is no difference between barter and fiat money or precious metals. That's an illusion that a lot of people buy into. The value of everything...everything....furs, salt, dollars, gold, silver....is an arbitrarily set number. The only value any commodity has is what two or more people agree on. The only thing fiat money has over the other items is it makes purchases over long distances easier and less complicated.

[crashdive123]

Why would you think that? If I have a monopoly on any barter item. Water, salt, black powder, then you are going to pay me whatever I tell you to pay me. Perhaps I want 20 bottles of whiskey for a 1/2 pound of salt. Maybay 30. If you want salt you'll pay. Someone is ALWAYS going to have the upper hand.

There really is no difference between barter and fiat money or precious metals. That's an illusion that a lot of people buy into. The value of everything...everything....furs, salt, dollars, gold, silver....is an arbitrarily set number. The only value any commodity has is what two or more people agree on. The only thing fiat money has over the other items is it makes purchases over long distances easier and less complicated.

Excellent description.

[canid]

With barter and trade you have no room for people who don't bring something of "true value" to the tablereally? consider the Manhattan purchase. 60 guilders worth of goods with an inflated perceived value [owing to manufacturing technologies and resource levels] in exchange for land rights to an entire island colony rich [at the time] in real resources seems to me a fair example of value manipulation, compared to any modern market.

[rwc1969]

Canid, I feel that's an unfair comparison.

I would hardly consider stealing from the indians barter and trade. Of course, if a modern civilization encroaches upon one that lives in the stone age the balance of trade will be off. The indians didn't know the real value the island had to the white man and his modern technology. They only considered the real value it had to them living in the stone age.

[canid]

Canid, I feel that's an unfair comparison.

in what specific respect?


I would hardly consider stealing from the indians barter and trade.it was a sketchy sale/purchase of land rights. Being unfair does not a theft make.


Of course, if a modern civilization encroaches upon one that lives in the stone age the balance of trade will be off.

that would be the subject of the disparity between perceived values. that was part of my stated point.


The indians didn't know the real value the island had to the white man and his modern technology. They only considered the real value it had to them living in the stone age.that's part of the driving force behind economy. my point is that it translates from one economic system to another. no thing has exactly the same perceived value to any two people. again, my stated point.

i would actually argue that 'real value' does not exist, and all values are subjective. this is actually more true in barter, as there is no abstract standardization of worth.

[canid]

i suppose every collector who paid handsomely for a hand made Hopi flute or Tlingit button blanket was fleeced, because he hadn't developed the skill to make his own? well there go the craft and trade markets that help support communities across the country.

i'd rather conclude that it was of an arbitrarily inflated value to him because he had an interest but couldn't produce it himself.

are there examples of manipulation and exploitation of value perception? sure, but they certainly exist in each economic model i know of. it is certainly not that direct barter economies are somehow inherently more honest.

[Rick]

Squarely on the beam, sir Canid. You are correct in every respect. Very good post.

RWC - We're not picking on you, honest. Yours is a very commonly held belief. I'd almost bet if you asked 10 people what the best system of trade was 8 or 9 would say barter. But it's no better or worse, no more honest or dishonest than any other form. It's just another method of trade.

I once knew two guys that traded cars. Title for title. Each one thinking they had made a great deal. Each one thinking they had pulled a good one on the other. Each one having to replace the leather inserts the other had used to quieten the rods.

[trax]

Yep, what Canid said, right on the money (whoops, no pun intended)

[rwc1969]

it's not worth debating! :) There's no real value in it.

[canid]

har.

touche.

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