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COWBOYSURVIVAL
12-14-2009, 12:53 PM
Close to half of the states if not more have passed laws requiring Fire Safe Cigarettes. My state is one and I just got my first carton. They taste horrid, my throat hurts. My lungs became really congested. These cigarettes have Ethylene Vinyl Acetate in them! The pack should have FSC on it somewhere, but you'll know quick it isn't what you were smoking! I for one will either be rolling my own or quitting. Do a search on the web there are thousands complaints!!!!! I feel betrayed by the manufactures and the laws of my state! The only added warning is "FSC" on the pack!
crashdive123
12-14-2009, 01:07 PM
Don't feel betrayed by the manufacturers - they are probably either mandated by law or concern for a lawsuit. When Bubba passes out drunk on the sofa with a lit cigarette politicians will feel the need to protect us and lawyers will feel the need to sue the cigarette manufacturer, beer company, furniture maker, mobile home builder, etc., etc.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
12-14-2009, 01:38 PM
Don't feel betrayed by the manufacturers - they are probably either mandated by law or concern for a lawsuit. When Bubba passes out drunk on the sofa with a lit cigarette politicians will feel the need to protect us and lawyers will feel the need to sue the cigarette manufacturer, beer company, furniture maker, mobile home builder, etc., etc.
No hard feelings Crash,
The way I see it the manufacture had a responsibility to let consumers know they were mandated by state government to put durn carpet glue in my smokes! I saw nothing of this in the news.....As for the state and the state government here. You cannot smoke in a public place even outdoors.
flandersander
12-14-2009, 03:44 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but cigarettes contain more than just Ethylene Vinyl Acetate. They have tar, nicotine, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, hydrogen cyanide and benzene. Formaldehyde is the stuff used to preserve dead animals for disection. Just my two cents here, but that doesn't sound like something I want to be inhaling. As much as i disagree with smoking, I do agree somebody should have said something about putting carpet glue in cigarettes.
canid
12-14-2009, 03:48 PM
i'm glad i spoke american spirit.
i know smoking tobacco is unhealthy, and i can feel much of the effect it has on my body, but i hate to tell you, real, additive free tobacco doesn't make me feel ill at the time of smoking it the way most of what i've smoked does, and it tastes better by about a mile and a half.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
12-14-2009, 04:26 PM
i'm glad i spoke american spirit.
i know smoking tobacco is unhealthy, and i can feel much of the effect it has on my body, but i hate to tell you, real, additive free tobacco doesn't make me feel ill at the time of smoking it the way most of what i've smoked does, and it tastes better by about a mile and a half.
Is it that American Spirit is exempt from FDA and State Legislature?
canid
12-14-2009, 04:34 PM
tobacco with no accelerant additives already self extinguishes.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
12-14-2009, 04:55 PM
tobacco with no accelerant additives already self extinguishes.
Thanks Canid! I'll be looking into that!
Barefoot
12-14-2009, 05:11 PM
i started rolling my own using pipe tobacco when the fsc came to ky. the cost is about 75c/pack and the taste is much better. however, pipe tobacco and rolling papers will soon also be heavily taxed and fsc added. if you are along term smoker, it might be a good idea to stock up now ;)
if i am still a smoker next year i plan to grow my own tobacco. i don't smoke a lot now (5/day at most) but i do enjoy tobacco and i like to stock pile it (you know, in case of a zombie apocalypse). i have smoked pure tobacco before and it does extinguish itself but it is some pretty harsh stuff.
when tobacco is processed by the big companies it is: soaked in a large vat full of liquid, the liquid is drained off into another vat where all of the deadly chemicals are added then sprayed back on the paper/leaf concoction on a conveyor belt before being shredded. it is one hell of crappy process.
i am not sure how one dilutes or prepares natural tobacco for smoking. i guess i will need to do a little research here.
canid
12-14-2009, 05:17 PM
another great idea, for those who plan to continue smoking and have some garden space: grow your own [though try to find TMV resistant varieties]. even growing it does wonders for the suppression of many garden pests, and it's not as hard to cure as tobacconists would have you believe.
canid
12-14-2009, 05:21 PM
barefoot:
at it's most simple, but without leaving it harsh, it basically consists of slowly air drying it in a warm, humid environment, lightly misting it to keep it from drying completely, but without getting it wet again. you can render it more mild by giving it a brief soak in warm water and then drying it back to a curing moisture content. this washes some of the alkaloids out.
doug1980
12-14-2009, 05:24 PM
Ah yes. Makes me laugh that we must be so helpless that we need the Governement to keep us safe from ourselves. Same with helmets and seatbelts. So we get told what to buy and what we must use but the bank big wigs can spend millions without the Governement regulating them. HA HA HA ain't it great?
canid
12-14-2009, 05:29 PM
I hear you. Don't get me wrong; I love my seat belts and helmets, but I don't think I should have to pay Uncle Sam a fee for deciding not to use one, or having to go at some time without one. It's not his noggin.
crashdive123
12-14-2009, 06:48 PM
Ah yes. Makes me laugh that we must be so helpless that we need the Governement to keep us safe from ourselves. Same with helmets and seatbelts. So we get told what to buy and what we must use but the bank big wigs can spend millions without the Governement regulating them. HA HA HA ain't it great?
So you don't think banks are regulated???? How do you think much of the mess we face today started?
So you don't think banks are regulated???? How do you think much of the mess we face today started?
Well it certainly wasn't because banks were required/pressured to make loans to people who could never afford to repay them. That's for sure. :innocent:
crashdive123
12-14-2009, 06:55 PM
Well it certainly wasn't because banks were required/pressured to make loans to people who could never afford to repay them. That's for sure. :innocent:
Well, he is from you state.:innocent:
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 06:58 PM
What's the world coming to?
Next thing you know they'll force you to quit or fine you if you don't.
Whose business is it how you choose to die as long as you're not poisoning anyone else or burning your house down with your family in it?
If the family doesn't mind why should we?
Well, he is from you state.:innocent:
Great debator. Nice guy, too. Was my rep until the last redistricting. I still run into him at some civic or political event every couple of years. He still remembers my name from when I was in office 15 years ago. Good politician. Just totally confused and a terrible Congressman. That's all. :innocent:
Whose business is it how you choose to die as long as you're not poisoning anyone else or burning your house down with your family in it?
Mine actually. I don't care to pay taxes because some welfare goof contracted lung cancer from smoking. We can say it's their choice but when I have to pick up the tab through taxes I draw the line.
That was the whole basis for states suing the tobacco companies.
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 08:09 PM
Mine actually. I don't care to pay taxes because some welfare goof contracted lung cancer from smoking. We can say it's their choice but when I have to pick up the tab through taxes I draw the line.
That was the whole basis for states suing the tobacco companies.
You are correct, sir!
I was just being facetious. Based on your reasoning (which I share, btw) let's take the whole idea a step further and start taxing obesity every laborious step of the way. I don't want to pay for that fallout either.
Uh, no. Let's not. Sorry I said anything. I'll be moving along now. Ya'll have a nice night...Cheers.
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 08:14 PM
Uh, no. Let's not. Sorry I said anything. I'll be moving along now. Ya'll have a nice night...Cheers.
Hang on now, mister!
Anything you need to get off your chest or your love handles?
Pleasantly plump is one thing, it's a brick house, quite another.
The term is huggable. I'm simply huggable.
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 08:27 PM
The term is huggable. I'm simply huggable.
OK then.
You pass with just a warning.
Whew!! Sounded like a buzz saw when it went past.
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 08:50 PM
Whew!! Sounded like a buzz saw when it went past.
Just remember...
next time you will be asked to step out of the vehicle and weighed.
2dumb2kwit
12-14-2009, 08:58 PM
Using that same logic, dumb people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
Nor should non-productive people.
Camp10
12-14-2009, 08:59 PM
Using that same logic, dumb people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
Nor should non-productive people.
It seems like they are the only ones who are!!
Camp10
12-14-2009, 09:01 PM
Maine went to the self extingushing smokes a while ago. I know several people that quit and a few that roll their own now.
canid
12-14-2009, 09:02 PM
Nor should non-productive people.
how exactly can a non-productive person reproduce?
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 09:02 PM
Using that same logic, dumb people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
Making copies doesn't require a genius IQ.:)
doug1980
12-14-2009, 09:02 PM
So you don't think banks are regulated???? How do you think much of the mess we face today started?
Not when it comes to giving their employees millions of dollars for bonuses and stuff. I'm not saying that they should or shouldn't be regulated for that but I don't believe we should be told every little thing to do either. Where is our freedom of choice going?
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 09:05 PM
I don't believe we should be told every little thing to do either. Where is our freedom of choice going?
You can choose not to do whatever little thing you think they're telling you to do. As long as you're not breaking the law, that is.
2dumb2kwit
12-14-2009, 09:05 PM
how exactly can a non-productive person reproduce?
LOL....guess I should have worded that a little differently, huh? :blushing:
doug1980
12-14-2009, 09:08 PM
You can choose not to do whatever little thing you think they're telling you to do. As long as you're not breaking the law, that is.
That's just it most of it is law. So yes I can choose but.....oh never mind it's pointless around here. I'll just shut up and color, not like it matters any way.
2dumb2kwit
12-14-2009, 09:10 PM
Not when it comes to giving their employees millions of dollars for bonuses and stuff. I'm not saying that they should or shouldn't be regulated for that but I don't believe we should be told every little thing to do either. Where is our freedom of choice going?
You can choose which bank you do business with. You can choose not to do business with a bank. You can choose who makes the laws.
If you let others choose for you, you get what you get.
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 09:10 PM
That's just it most of it is law. So yes I can choose but.....oh never mind it's pointless around here. I'll just shut up and color, not like it matters any way.
Of course it matters. YOU matter. We ALL matter.:)
Now color within the lines!
rwc1969
12-14-2009, 09:11 PM
Mine actually. I don't care to pay taxes because some welfare goof contracted lung cancer from smoking. We can say it's their choice but when I have to pick up the tab through taxes I draw the line.
That was the whole basis for states suing the tobacco companies.
So, why ain't they suing the fast food companies?
crashdive123
12-14-2009, 09:12 PM
So, why ain't they suing the fast food companies?
Several lawsuits have been thrown out already. They're still trying.
canid
12-14-2009, 09:12 PM
because some coffee drinkers and folks who raised their kids on happy meals beat them to it.
BENESSE
12-14-2009, 09:16 PM
So, why ain't they suing the fast food companies?
Because people have a choice--they don't have to eat there. I don't.
I also chose not to smoke, do drugs, own a car, etc., etc.
There are consequences for every choice one makes in life--good and bad.
rwc1969
12-14-2009, 10:37 PM
and the welfare folks chose to smoke, and the gov't chose to give them free medical and we all chose to reap the rewards of high taxes on cigarettes, and on and on.
So, if the smokes are now firesafe can we sue the gov't if they don't go out and burn our house down?:innocent:
COWBOYSURVIVAL
12-14-2009, 10:45 PM
I can honestly say PhillupMorrisUSA will see no more money from my home! I can't contact them to say so though......If anyone has a link that will allow me to voice my gripe directly to PhillupMorrisUSA please let me know~!
canid
12-14-2009, 10:52 PM
i wouldn't bother. you'd be voicing your gripe to no more than a person paid to do nothing but read gripes, or worse, a mail bot to reply with a form letter.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
12-15-2009, 12:02 AM
We did a test in a controlled environment.....Lit one FSC and one "rev. -".
I think the hypothesis is not normal....
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x86/arabmagic/AUT_0303-3.jpg
Cough! Sputter! Now look. You've gotten nicotine on my monitor. Don't do that anymore!!
BENESSE
12-15-2009, 09:33 AM
Maybe this is beside the point but...
how 'bout just QUITTING?
Wouldn't that solve multiple problems?
canid
12-15-2009, 09:36 AM
if one where inclined to quit, yes.
not everybody actually wants to be a non-smoker.
BENESSE
12-15-2009, 09:56 AM
if one where inclined to quit, yes.
not everybody actually wants to be a non-smoker.
OK, now substitute any number of words for "quit" and "non-smoker" and think about it...
If one were inclined to "spend less than they make"...
If one were inclined to "eliminate their debt"...
If one were inclined to "be charitable"...
If one were inclined to "make less money"...
etc., etc....
If one makes excuses for themselves surely they can understand others who do.
canid
12-15-2009, 10:02 AM
think about what? substituting unrelated concepts or situations as if they bore on the viability of smoking tobacco as a personal choice? now there's a sound agrument.
if you don't choose to smoke tobacco, don't. nobody's asking you to.
BENESSE
12-15-2009, 10:20 AM
think about what? substituting unrelated concepts or situations as if they bore on the viability of smoking tobacco as a personal choice? now there's a sound agrument.
if you don't choose to smoke tobacco, don't. nobody's asking you to.
All I was trying to do is dimensionalize your logic where one personal choice like smoking should not condemn another personal choice like buying stuff one can't afford.
And yet we all do it all the time--make excuses for our choices and blame others for theirs.
canid
12-15-2009, 10:43 AM
It's not dimensionalizing, or changing perspective of my logical process to argue from one special case to another.
I absolutely share your view that one should consider the validity of their own decision making before judging those of others, but I make a point not to condemn anybody at all.
This is not to say i do not get angry or frustrated. As far as I'm concerned, taking receipt of goods or services you can't pay for is a form of theft.
You won't see at peace with the way I've gone about everything in my life either. I've made poor choices, some knowingly and some when i felt no better choice.
I expect, when I am able to fairly and honestly judge my position on a matter, that i keep improving the way i do things, and it seems fair to expect the same dedication in others; each as in individual. That's what it boils down to for me. i expect no more from each of us than a concerted effort to be good and true.
I reserve the same right many of the rest of you do, to jump up and down, pull my hair from time to time and throw a good old fashioned temper tantrum.
edr730
12-15-2009, 10:47 AM
I've noticed that smokers get sick, are hospitalized and die. I noticed the same thing with non smokers....life is terminal. The difference between the two are that the smoker collects less social security and pays a large cigarette tax though out his life. So, there has always been considerable savings and profits from cigarettes and the profits and savings should increase with the new fire retardant slipped into the tobacco.
canid
12-15-2009, 11:00 AM
When I want to be a smart-axe, I've been known to argue against the effect of motorcycle helmets on health care cost. It goes about like this:
a rider who dies on impact [4x as likely in an accident causing significant injury if not wearing a helmet] accrues less hospital/medical bills. Therefore 3/4 of the public health burden of motorcycles could be cut by 3/4 if helmets where outlawed.
This is clearly a poor argument, but it's fun to throw up from time to time. In truth, a support helmet wearing, if not helmet law.
pocomoonskyeyes
12-15-2009, 11:36 AM
Mine actually. I don't care to pay taxes because some welfare goof contracted lung cancer from smoking. We can say it's their choice but when I have to pick up the tab through taxes I draw the line.
That was the whole basis for states suing the tobacco companies.
You are correct, sir!
I was just being facetious. Based on your reasoning (which I share, btw) let's take the whole idea a step further and start taxing obesity every laborious step of the way. I don't want to pay for that fallout either.
I think that your reasoning is slightly flawed, As smokers actually pay as much in taxes on Tobacco alone as you do on everything you pay taxes on. After the last tax increase, the price on tobacco rose more than 110% What I paid for tobacco (which was ALREADY being taxed, Tax included) was $10.26 For the same thing I now pay $24+ change. Now take into consideration that along economic lines that those with less income are the majority of smokers. You Pay something like say 6% tax. They pay the SAME 6% plus @ 125% tax on tobacco. I think you would quickly change your tune if they imposed a similar tax on Twinkies PLUS added yet another DEADLY chemical additive to them. Or Flour or Sugar or choose any product you normally ingest. THAT is what CS is getting at. "You Will pay more to insure we kill you faster!!"
Would you say this was fair if they added one part/trillion of arsenic to Flour? I seriously doubt it. ALL in name of your Supposed safety? Stop and think about just how many smokers there are and what small percentage actually cause these fires. 1% or probably less? Using this same logic with obesity,let's add arsenic or cyanide to flour or sugar since so many are dieing from obesity. That way we will kill more quicker with less impact on our health system. All I can say is BULL shirt! That kind of logic is illogical. It doesn't decrease health costs it increases it!! So you are actually CONDONING your costs to be increased!! Sure makes sense to me......:innocent::sneaky2:
Ole WV Coot
12-15-2009, 11:54 AM
I smoked, chewed and drank enough to make up for a dozen men that didn't. I finally quit about 20yrs ago. I didn't want to, but the Doc said my wife had to quit smoking and it would be really tough on her if I didn't. That was my motivation. Drinking, I was a semi drunk, not an alcoholic because I didn't go to meetings. That was a personal decision to quit. I know smoking isn't healthy or drinking. I know I help pay for health problems it causes. One thing I do know is this country is going down the chute when the government which sure ain't us anymore can tell a man how to live. I'm sure a lot of folks put their a$$ on the line not to come home and be told how to live. Reminds me of prohibition. My Grandpa said he and all the drinkers were too busy fighting WWI and the dummies pushed their morals on them. It's happening again, agree or not.
2dumb2kwit
12-15-2009, 02:56 PM
When I want to be a smart-axe, I've been known to argue against the effect of motorcycle helmets on health care cost. It goes about like this:
a rider who dies on impact [4x as likely in an accident causing significant injury if not wearing a helmet] accrues less hospital/medical bills. Therefore 3/4 of the public health burden of motorcycles could be cut by 3/4 if helmets where outlawed.
This is clearly a poor argument, but it's fun to throw up from time to time. In truth, a support helmet wearing, if not helmet law.
LOL...I like it! I have argued that increased health care leads to additional global warming. Think about it.:innocent:
glockcop
12-16-2009, 01:05 AM
Ah yes. Makes me laugh that we must be so helpless that we need the Governement to keep us safe from ourselves. Same with helmets and seatbelts. So we get told what to buy and what we must use but the bank big wigs can spend millions without the Governement regulating them. HA HA HA ain't it great?
You you hit the nail on the head. Mr. "Change" and his "F"ing liberal cronies. Oh, I forgot "F" Congress women "Fancy Nancy" too! I don't wear a seat belt and I won't wear a helmet when riding my street rod. I'll take the ticket over the loss of my freedom. What's next...my rum burns too long? What the "F" is happening to our country. I thought Momma's job was to protect us, not Big Brother. I guess they need to keep the guys alive that pay the bills for this country. The "hand out takers" and "welfare sh*t bags" ain't gonna do it. If I start to grow my own tobacco the Fed's will call my property a "compound" and illegally raid my home with the probable death of everyone there shortly to follow at their hand. "F"ing Mexico is starting to look good at this point!!!! Sorry to the Mods for "almost" naming politicians but this is ridiculous. I don't even smoke any more and I'm po'd. God Bless/help us all.
glockcop
12-16-2009, 01:22 AM
Using that same logic, dumb people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
Nor should non-productive people.
OOOHHH BOY! I'm voting for this guy for Pres. Who's with me!!!!! I'm gonna buy you a big fat cigar and a beer for that one. Do you mind if I work the rose snippers :)? Stay safe, Brother.
glockcop
12-16-2009, 01:27 AM
Oh ya. Al "Groan" and his ignorant, unscientific nonsense too. What an absolute dumb a$$. I think his expulsion of co2 should be done away with asap for the preservation of our reality.
Uh, are you off your meds tonight?
crashdive123
12-16-2009, 08:49 AM
Don't hold back GC - tell us how you really feel.
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