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walkabout king
11-29-2009, 04:18 PM
Hey. I'm homeless out in the woods, but I can't have a fire where I am. It's been getting quite cold lately, and I was curious how I could provide some heat for myself. Main reason for my requirement for no fire is that I'm still just close enough to a road that people would be able to see a fire, and I'm really enjoying my solitude. Any help would be great.
SARKY
11-29-2009, 04:27 PM
Have you thought of a Dakota hole fire? or perhaps building yourself a stove out of stuff you find?
pocomoonskyeyes
11-29-2009, 04:29 PM
You could always make what is called a "Dakota hole" type fire. Dig two narrow holes about 1 foot deep side by side,about 3 inches soil separating them, poke a hole through so it can get air at the bottom of one. That is the fire hole. Your fire won't be seen that way.
pocomoonskyeyes
11-29-2009, 04:31 PM
Have you thought of a Dakota hole fire? or perhaps building yourself a stove out of stuff you find?
You could always make what is called a "Dakota hole" type fire. Dig two narrow holes about 1 foot deep side by side,about 3 inches soil separating them, poke a hole through so it can get air at the bottom of one. That is the fire hole. Your fire won't be seen that way.
We're thinking along the same lines again...That's getting scary!! LOL
walkabout king
11-29-2009, 04:39 PM
No I haven't. Already glad I've joined the site. I'll give it a try in the next few nights and update on how it works out. Thanks for the help guys!
canid
11-29-2009, 06:12 PM
don't forget brown waste composting. common plant materials like grass, pine-straw and leaf litter can be composted to produce heat. this works because some bacteria have strongly exothermic metabolic processes.
the same principal is used in winter gardening when you make hot beds, garden beds or rows with composting vegatative matter beneath the soil to produce heat.
while it doesn't seem pleasant, it could probably keep a shelter, or even a patch of ground substantially warmer than the surrounding air. ventilation would be a consideration, because some such bacteria produce methane during respiration, and some of them produce less pleasant gasses under anaerobic conditions.
klkak
11-29-2009, 06:30 PM
buy an electric heater and plug it into the same outlet your computer is plugged into.:cold::innocent:
Survival Guy 10
11-29-2009, 06:38 PM
ha i new their would be a joke {klkak}
crashdive123
11-29-2009, 06:45 PM
He said in another thread that he was using a computer at a local library.
What about clothing, sleeping bags or similar external coverings? I would think the Salvation Army, area church's or even dumpsters might be a source for those.
I do agree on the fire pit, though.
walkabout king
11-29-2009, 09:35 PM
Lol. Over at a friends house for the moment. If my woods had a plug the space heater bit would be a great idea. ;)
Tomorrow night I should be spending back out in my camp. I'll be working on making a fire hole. I've got four blankets from the south brevard sharing center here. Been sleeping in full clothes.
pocomoonskyeyes
11-29-2009, 09:55 PM
What about clothing, sleeping bags or similar external coverings? I would think the Salvation Army, area church's or even dumpsters might be a source for those.
I do agree on the fire pit, though.
Salvation Army AKA the Sally will only give out clothes and there is a limit on how much of that they will give out.(5 shirts,3 pants,1 pair of shoes and some undergarments/socks IIRC) They sell everything else. However if there is a church with a homeless outreach program they may be able to help. Also if you are a Vet it is about this time of year when they have Stand Downs. They will give you a sleeping bag and maybe a blanket or two,as well as other services/clothing.
If your "Woods" are adequate in size, you may be able to build a small wickiup type shelter(a small dome type of shelter) which should be camouflaged well enough to escape detection,since it is from natural materials. You could build a small(and I mean small) fire in there.
walkabout king
11-29-2009, 10:43 PM
My woods are quite a substantial size. And thankfully it seems aside from ticks, snakes, and raccoon I'm quite alone out there. The 12x8 tent I have set up is decent cover, though far from waterproof. I'll be sticking a tarp over it upon my return in order to try and add some water resistance.
finallyME
11-30-2009, 10:10 AM
A hobo stove might work as well. All it is is a fire in a can. Also, build a heat shield, or some structure that looks natural, but will block the view of the fire.
Old GI
11-30-2009, 10:31 AM
A long time ago (it seems a lot of my posts start that way), I spent a little time in an Army "pup-tent", thats GP Tiny for you Old Sarge. Even in very cold temps, a small candle heated it so well, we would use it only sparingly. But, I married the best heat.. ........ . Nevermind.
Ok, I'll be the straightman for you comedians.
your_comforting_company
11-30-2009, 03:34 PM
I know for a fact that someone on here (Rick I think) made a stove out of soup cans.. that's your best bet but I can't seem to find the thread. if anyone can find the thread, that would be good as it is good enough to heat your tent or shelter and is blocked from wind. There was also a wood burning stove made from cans. contained heat but maybe a little too big for a pup tent.
Sorry I can't find the link.. not real good with the search thing I guess. I should have bookmarked them.. real good info and may be an alternative to having a "fire". The simple tallow lamps from beer cans put off a good bit of heat and you can add a heater plate over the flame.. A search for "fat lamps" and "camp stoves" should turn up a good bit of info for you.
walkabout king
11-30-2009, 04:44 PM
started on getting a hole dug today after my job interview. I'm thinking of using a coffee can i've got with a bottom grate and some galvanized piping for air supply. Suppose we'll see how it turns out. If I can find someone with a camera, or ever get some money to develop film from mine I'll put some pics up. I'm piling the dirt on the side facing the area near the street, and I'll be barricading it up with some pine logs. I'm not fond of putting longleaf pine in there as it's pretty flammable, but I'll have to pack them with some mud I suppose. Any other tips of fire proofing the logs? I was hoping to find some oak, but it seems my home is completely void of anything but pine and palm. Humping logs in from other woods may draw too much attention, so I'm leery about it.
Now if I can just find a tree to tie trash up in that the coons CAN'T climb. Lol.
YCC - You are correct. Here is the thread:
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1230&highlight=tomato+juice
walkabout king
11-30-2009, 05:02 PM
Thanks Rick. I'm thinking I may modify one of those to work as a good space heater. I may even try using a 20 gallon drum found out at an abandoned camp. I'll have to mess with it tonight when I get back. If I could get the 20 Gal to work I could fit a few hot rocks in there. That would be a huge help for getting through mid winter being able to wrap up in my blankets with a hot rock or two. The info's appreciated.
aflineman
11-30-2009, 05:10 PM
Some good info here. You have to wade through it to pick and choose what may work for your situation.
http://www.bioenergylists.org/stovesdoc/
http://www.bioenergylists.org/
hoosierarcher
11-30-2009, 05:13 PM
When going without fire there is no substitute for wool in loose layers. Gloves on inside mittens. Don't sleep with your shoes or boots on. Make yourself a bedrool with your blankets and a tarp and make your self or find a natural wind break to prevent heat loss from convection. Use leaf litter and fresh cut evergreen boughs for bedding to keep you from directly touching the cold ground. This will help prevent heat loss from conduction. Some type of covering shelter with a roof will help prevent heat loss from radiation. If you are close enough to the road for a fire to be seen you are too close to the road for security and safety. When I was homeless in the woods the only time I was ever accosted by anyone was when I was within sight of the road. My Cold Steel ATC khukri kept them from physically attacking me but they shouted insults from a distance and threaten me, breaking the peace I had had up to that point.
Remember to have something to reflect the heat from both the opposite side of the fire from you and behind you. This will allow you to have a smaller fire and still stay warm.
walkabout king
12-01-2009, 01:42 PM
Went last night to grab the 20 gallon drum. Aside from being spooked by a boar it went fine. Humped it the 1/4 mile out in a heck of a hurry! Lol. Anyways, I borrowed a hack saw from someone, and started cutting but didn't get far.
Random question though, a bit off topic. Does anyone know anything in Central FL decent for a persistant cough and sinus problems?
A doctor?! Is there a free clinic anywhere nearby?
crashdive123
12-01-2009, 03:30 PM
Yep - gotta agree with seeing a doctor. Looks like you qualify for their services. http://www.doh.state.fl.us/chdbrevard/pers_hlth/path.htm
walkabout king
12-01-2009, 06:23 PM
nice. got the number saved. That's something I would've loved to be told by the person I actually spoke with at the brevard health department.
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Just an update. Had my first small fire last night. While I was sawing away on my larger drum I took a tin ravioli can and put a circle of holes around the bottom for ventilation. I tried it with an empty beer can found farther out in the woods, but found pretty quick the heat of pine needles burning is enough to melt the aluminum can. After making the tin one I kept it burning for about 4 hours. It was a hell of a comfort to have fire out there, and it burns contained enough that I can take it in the tent.
Still working on the big one. We'll see how this one turns out.
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