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oneraindog
11-04-2009, 05:50 PM
over my weekend i picked up most of what i need to get started on a little blacksmithing set up.
galvanized washtub, pipe, hammer, small anvil, old files for knife blanks..... getting really excited.
couple questions:
1. one thing im still working on getting is an air blower. something in me doesnt like the hairdryer idea. part of it is wanting to stay as unplugged as possible and a bigger part i think is just not liking the aesthetic. i know that sounds snobby but hey...i never claimed not to be a snob.
anyway. what are some other ideas for airflow that are not electric?
the instructor in the recent class i took was using an old fashioned hand turned blower. that was awesome but i think might be hard to juggle for a beginner. but im willing to learn fast if someone knows where to find one. it was just super cool.
or is there something that might work as a foot operated bellows??
any ideas?
#2. in direct contraction to my comment on being electric free i am curious about belt grinding. to the knife makers here: who uses/has used grinders?
who does hand filing? comments?
post coming up on how the project turns out!
thanks
canid
11-04-2009, 06:38 PM
you could make a foot operated bellows easily enough. if you didn't want to make it, you could use an air matress pump. the two way kind, that blow with both directions of the stroke would be nice.
canid
11-04-2009, 06:40 PM
hand filing annealed steel is easy enough, but grinding is just plain faster.
i have a grinder with two wheels of different grit, and a belt sander. i can get the grinding marks down with manual sanding, which could stand to be faster/easier.
i'm still a long way from refining my processes.
Camp10
11-04-2009, 06:59 PM
You can pick up a hand crank blower on ebay for cheap if you hunt around and are patient. I use a gas forge, its electric free but probably not in the manner you are after. As for the belt grinder, I have several..one I made and the rest I purchased. I like them, I have one set up to rough out the blanks and another to grind my bevels. I also have a large (6 x 48) sander that workes nice for shaping the handles or flattening the blanks. Regardless of having a grinder or not, get used to filing. I have yet to get through a knife without plenty of file strokes! Hope this helps.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-04-2009, 07:15 PM
I am play'in with the idea of an old woodstove and a squirrel cage fan. For now so long as I have power a hairdryer works great!
panch0
11-05-2009, 10:05 AM
I do stock removal and don't forge blades yet. The other dat I heated up a piece of steel by using a piece of card board and got it hot enough to bend and hammered it flat. Candid has a great idea on the foot operated bellows.
dscrick
11-05-2009, 02:59 PM
I saw one of these things once, not sure if this is what you're palnning but there are alot of websites on them
http://www.anvilfire.com/index.php?bodyName=/21centbs/forges/brkdrum1.htm&titleName=anvilfire.com%20Blacksmithing%20FAQs%20
rebel
11-05-2009, 04:33 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Blacksmith-Forge-Tool-Anvil-Antique-Vintage_W0QQitemZ200400353598QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea8cab93e
Camp10
11-05-2009, 05:43 PM
I like the woodstove idea..with a tall enough chimney it may draft hard enough to get 5160 or 1095 up to forging temps without a blower at all. I may have to try this...thanks cowboy!
oneraindog
11-06-2009, 10:14 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Blacksmith-Forge-Tool-Anvil-Antique-Vintage_W0QQitemZ200400353598QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea8cab93e
oh maaan. i was out clam digging all day yesterday so didnt see that until today...after the listing ened. that thing is SWEET. i wonder how often stuff like that comes up :(
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-06-2009, 10:16 PM
I like the woodstove idea..with a tall enough chimney it may draft hard enough to get 5160 or 1095 up to forging temps without a blower at all. I may have to try this...thanks cowboy!
Search my posts and you'll see my current forge....
oneraindog
11-06-2009, 10:22 PM
cowboy can you post a link? you have a lot of posts....
crashdive123
11-06-2009, 11:11 PM
Here's Cowboy's.
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7973&highlight=forge
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-06-2009, 11:12 PM
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7973&highlight=forge
crashdive123
11-06-2009, 11:20 PM
Deja vu all over again.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-06-2009, 11:23 PM
Yep we posted within the same minute! I do appreciate it though....
oneraindog
11-07-2009, 12:43 AM
nice! thanks for enabling my laziness :)
canid
11-07-2009, 02:05 AM
you can also line a barbecue grill inside with a few inches of clay. it will insulate the thin sheet metal, and hold much heat near the surface.
alternately, you could line with with firebrick and mortar between them.
there are at least dozens of approaches the average hobbyist could take at home.
crashdive123
11-07-2009, 08:19 AM
I have recently acquired a roadside (trash) bbq grill that I will be lining with fire proof mortar to make a forge. In the mean time my temporary forge is sufficient for heat treating.
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Weapons/Knives001-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Weapons/Knives002-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Weapons/Knives009-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Weapons/Knives010-1.jpg
oneraindog
11-07-2009, 04:23 PM
there are at least dozens of approaches the average hobbyist could take at home.
i am finding this out very quickly.
yesterday i found a .pdf for building two types of oildrum forges both with internal air blowers built in. one is in a more traditional bellows style and one requires fabricating a small fan from sheet metal that is foot cranked. amazing stuff.
i found this .pdf on a HUGE list of .pdfs dealing with everything from grain storage to woodworking, soil testing, gardening, animal husbandry, pottery, butterfly farming, technical specs and how to's for building a windmill, wind pumps, the list is insanely diverse. it is an incredible wealth of information that may be of interest
im nervous about posting a link these days but i think this one is safe. it isnt selling anything and im not affiliated in any way
here is the giant list.
http://www.cd3wd.com/CD3WD_40/CD3WD/index.htm
and here is the oil drum forge .pdf
http://www.cd3wd.com/CD3WD_40/JF/JF_VE/SMALL/04-110.pdf
rebel
11-09-2009, 09:51 PM
Not to toot my own horn but, to show that a forge can be made easily and simply. Here is one I made from a cooking wok. It's still going strong. What I like about it is the light weight. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6973 I hope this helps.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-09-2009, 09:57 PM
Rebel,
Yours inspired mine! Great job!
rebel
11-09-2009, 10:02 PM
I was looking a craigs list the other day in eastern KY and someone had 30 tons of coal for free!
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-09-2009, 10:05 PM
We don't even know what coal is around here...
rebel
11-09-2009, 10:08 PM
Rebel,
Yours inspired mine! Great job!
If I can settle down, I'll make a permanent forge like yours with a hood. I'd like a shop without electric devices. I've got a hand grinder. I'll have to find or make a bellows.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-09-2009, 10:25 PM
If I can settle down, I'll make a permanent forge like yours with a hood. I'd like a shop without electric devices. I've got a hand grinder. I'll have to find or make a bellows.
Be nice if we could both get it to that level! I'll have to take a pic of my shop for you!
oneraindog
11-11-2009, 02:40 PM
all you guys make some ingenious stuff. thanks for the inspiration.
rebel
11-16-2009, 05:47 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Blacksmith-forge-tool_W0QQitemZ290368623008QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item439b5191a0
Here's one you can work on.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Blacksmith-Forge-1800s--Cowboy-Western_W0QQitemZ350141478233QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id =&itemid=350141478233
And I thought you just might want to dream a bit...
http://www.timfloodrr.com/blacksmith%20shop%20001.jpg
rebel
11-16-2009, 06:22 PM
Here's one you can work on.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Blacksmith-Forge-1800s--Cowboy-Western_W0QQitemZ350141478233QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id =&itemid=350141478233
And I thought you just might want to dream a bit...
http://www.timfloodrr.com/blacksmith%20shop%20001.jpg
Mmmm. I could hibernate on that.
I thought there was only one thing missing and that was a chair. Sometimes a man has to contemplate what it is he's working on. That usually requires something to drink (for lubricating the brain cells) and something to sit on to perform said contemplation.
rebel
11-16-2009, 06:32 PM
I thought there was only one thing missing and that was a chair. Sometimes a man has to contemplate what it is he's working on. That usually requires something to drink (for lubricating the brain cells) and something to sit on to perform said contemplation.
I think your right! Maybe, the folk who took the pic thought so too.
Camp10
11-16-2009, 06:37 PM
This picture is probably taken from his chair..it's next to the fridge.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
11-16-2009, 07:08 PM
He is probably sitting back in his chair trying to decide on which hammer to use....
Camp10
11-16-2009, 07:14 PM
I pick the little giant....
By golly, I notice a couple of empty bottles to the right of the forge. You guys are probably right. He's sitting in that chair thinking about another bottle.
Survival Guy 10
11-16-2009, 10:02 PM
hes probaly got a long reach hand made of metal to do all his work from his easy chair and plus hes probaly got a foot pump run by his dog and solar panels just sayin
flandersander
11-17-2009, 09:14 PM
A forge that will suffice can be made from just about anything. I've made 2 so far. My first one was a hot water tank bottom. It had a hole in the bottom for the plumbing, so it quickly became a bottom blast forge. I haven't had a problem with ashes falling down the pipe either. That was fairly heavy, and wasn't easily moved, plus it used a lot of fuel. So i cut off the bottom of a steel bucket, and since I liked the bottom blast style i drilled a hole and inserted a steel pipe. I hooked up some heat resistant tubing up to my air matress blower upper, and lit the charcoal. Simple, a moveable forge for next to nothing.
crashdive123
11-17-2009, 09:17 PM
Pictures man! We demand pictures!
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