Are our bodies becoming weaker?

[doug1980]

With all this H1N1 crap going on it made me wonder how much weaker our bodies have become. So many rely on vaccinations to help fight off cold/diseases these days, because their immune systems just aren't strong enough. So I wonder if that is from our own doing? All goes back to survival of the fitest. Just like in pest control (crash you will love this) insects eventually build up a tolerance to certain chemicals. That is why it is important to change the chemicals up from time to time. I'm sure our bodies can do the same, but this natural tolerance has been supressed. When I went to visit sourdough we toured his property and he showed me his water source. Very nice stream of fresh mountain water. Now most here would still boil the water or use tablets to kill any bacteria. Did he...nope and never has yet he is perfectly fine. Could it be that his body has built up a tolerance to such things? I believe it has and I believe anyone could do the same. It amazes me how dependant we have become on scientific formulations just so we can survive. Sometimes I wonder if we, as a species, are too smart for our own good.

[nell67]

With all this H1N1 crap going on it made me wonder how much weaker our bodies have become. So many rely on vaccinations to help fight off cold/diseases these days, because their immune systems just aren't strong enough. So I wonder if that is from our own doing? All goes back to survival of the fitest. Just like in pest control (crash you will love this) insects eventually build up a tolerance to certain chemicals. That is why it is important to change the chemicals up from time to time. I'm sure our bodies can do the same, but this natural tolerance has been supressed. When I went to visit sourdough we toured his property and he showed me his water source. Very nice stream of fresh mountain water. Now most here would still boil the water or use tablets to kill any bacteria. Did he...nope and never has yet he is perfectly fine. Could it be that his body has built up a tolerance to such things? I believe it has and I believe anyone could do the same. It amazes me how dependant we have become on scientific formulations just so we can survive. Sometimes I wonder if we, as a species, are too smart for our own good.

Or is it we are 2dumb......?

[oneraindog]

its scary. most children have NO immunity to influenza because the have been inoculated since birth. its a double edged sword....

[oly]

Or is it we are 2dumb......?

Is he a disease?????????:)
I had a person tell me that every time they got a snivel or sneeze that there parents crammed medication down there throat and now they don't have an immune system to fight off viruses

[RangerXanatos]

I believe our immune systems are becoming weaker. My parents never gave me nor my brothers our childhood immunizations and we are in good health. In fact, I have never been to a M.D. and I am willing to bet that most others get sick more often than I do. And the only times I take any medication, is for when my nose starts running from allergies or a cold and when I feel I may have a touch of diahhrea I will take some generic allergy medicine and Pepti Bismuth.

What really gets me though, are people that go and get antibiotics for every little thing. Then your body doesn't have to produce them itself and results in a weakened immune system.

[BENESSE]

Actually we are healthier and live longer than ever before.
Our kids rarely die in infancy and most of our women survive childbirth.
And that's just for starters.

Please disagree with me when I say that natural selection might make sense as long as it doesn't happen to you and yours.

[Sourdough]

My theory is that I was raised on a dairy farm in South East PA. and we got our water from a spring house, and it was untreated, but even more important is we drank milk straight from the cows, unpasteurized, and full of all kinds of bacteria. We kids always had worms, ringworms, tapeworms, wormie'worms. But all eight kids survived. The last time I was sick was 1984. Thats 25 years with not a cold or flu. Yea, I think people are to phobic about dirt. I just got back from my third shower of the year.

If you read a book called, "Alaska's Wolf man" he meets a guy on the trail that has two tin dinner plates, they are both nailed to the table, when done eating off the plate, he calls the dogs to wash them. And I could tell you worse about guiding in areas with no water.

[RangerXanatos]

Oh, I believe that it is a good thing that these medical technologies have came along. But I also believe that it's a very bad thing that some of those technologies have been abused. Ritalin for children for example.

[oly]

I've been looking for info. on the net about an extremely clean home will have sick kids, such as azimuth and a low immune systems.

I guess there's something to that old saying that goes clean enough to be lived in but dirty enough to be healthy.

[nell67]

My theory is that I was raised on a dairy farm in South East PA. and we got our water from a spring house, and it was untreated, but even more important is we drank milk straight from the cows, unpasteurized, and full of all kinds of bacteria. We kids always had worms, ringworms, tapeworms, wormie'worms. But all eight kids survived. The last time I was sick was 1984. Thats 25 years with not a cold or flu. Yea, I think people are to phobic about dirt. I just got back from my third shower of the year.

If you read a book called, "Alaska's Wolf man" he meets a guy on the trail that has two tin dinner plates, they are both nailed to the table, when done eating off the plate, he calls the dogs to wash them. And I could tell you worse about guiding in areas with no water.
Worked on a dairy farm when my youngest was born,part of the "pay" was all the "fresh" milk we wanted,my daughter contracted bacterial meningitis,and the only thing it could be traced back to was the milk,the somatic cell count in the milk was rather high at the time,and they figured thats where she got it from.
I grew up milking cows by hand for milk to drink,never had a problem with that milk.

[BENESSE]

My theory is that I was raised on a dairy farm in South East PA. and we got our water from a spring house, and it was untreated, but even more important is we drank milk straight from the cows, unpasteurized, and full of all kinds of bacteria. We kids always had worms, ringworms, tapeworms, wormie'worms. But all eight kids survived. The last time I was sick was 1984. Thats 25 years with not a cold or flu. Yea, I think people are to phobic about dirt. I just got back from my third shower of the year..

Let's not discount some plain ol' good genes (that's jeans for Rick), Sourdough. You won that lottery and you're lucky.

Not everyone is.
Those who aren't taking reasonable care of their health might as well play Russian roulette. Maybe they'll get lucky too.

[crashdive123]

With all this H1N1 crap going on it made me wonder how much weaker our bodies have become.

Yeah, just go back a few hundred years and without the advances in science and technology humans live to what............35?

[Sourdough]

Yeah, just go back a few hundred years and without the advances in science and technology humans live to what............35?

Average maybe......but many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence lived into their solid 70's. I think there is room for BOTH you and Doug to be correct on this one.

[BENESSE]

Average maybe......but many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence lived into their solid 70's. I think there is room for BOTH you and Doug to be correct on this one.

Yeah, but they were among the "privileged".
And the privileged live longer and are healthier to this day.
Those are just the statistics.

[crashdive123]

I don't disagree. Much of the problems we face today are due to the "soft" lives we've been living. Of course the other extreme, while gave way to a "hearty" lifestyle, it often led to an eary demise. I suppose extremes at either end have their disadvantages.

[doug1980]

Actually we are healthier and live longer than ever before.
Our kids rarely die in infancy and most of our women survive childbirth.
And that's just for starters.

Please disagree with me when I say that natural selection might make sense as long as it doesn't happen to you and yours.

Are we truely healthier or is it the science that saves us. I honestly don't think our bodies are stronger now, I think they are weaker. Advances in medicine cause people to live longer and seem healthier. Of course I'm not saying it's a horrible thing, as long as those advances and care stays available.

And as for natural selection making sense, it does make sense even if that means me and mine. It's all a natural thing and while I value my life I know this is only a stepping stone to something much better.

[tacticalguy]

Anybody notice that all these diseases i the past few years have been attacking different types of meats. For example a few years ago the media was big on the mad cow disease thats beef. then that went away and then the media started on the bird flu, thats poultry. now the media is focused on the swine flu and thats pork. just watch ill bet anyone that in the next few years the media will be focused on some big disease that targets fish. kind of ironic huh?

[crashdive123]

Too late. http://discovermagazine.com/2009/apr/19-how-to-tell-if-you.re-poisoning-yourself-with-fish

[tacticalguy]

oh great now what am i supposed to eat now Tofu?!?!? I also heard that soy products aren't very healthy for you either, so there goes that option. I guess ill just eat grass from now on. Yummy.....

[crashdive123]

I'll stick with beef, pork, poultry and fish.

[tacticalguy]

I guess your right ive been eating them and i havent died yet so ill stick with what doesnt kill me.

[Nativedude]

Pharmaceuticals, vaccines, antibiotics, O.T.C. cold and flu meds, are chemically changing the genetics of people and those changes get passed on from generation to generation. It's been happening since the post-war "industrial revolution" era (1946).

All of the "sterilizing" household cleaners and the alcohol-based hand sanitizers don't actually keep the bad bacteria away, they kill the good and necessary bacteria in our system and on our skin that fight off all of the virsuses and infections that are going around in the world today.

And, more people travel to third-world countries, where sanitation and clean conditions (and I use "clean" facetiously) are, at best, disease, germ, & virus breeding grounds, i.e. E-coli, botulism, H1N1, AIDS, malaryia, and on, and on, and on. . . .

We, as Americans, contract many of these diseases and viruses because we're so overly concerned about washing our hands, using alcohol-based sanitizers, and household "germ-killing" cleaners, as well as, poor daily diets and nutrition, which only exacerbates the problem of contracting all the little vermin floating around out there.

The majority of the population ingests garbage food which precludes any nutrients from helping to maintain their immune systems and to help ward off whatever they might come in contact with.

Processed and fast foods are the absolute worst things any living being (human or animal) could consume, but people keep eating all the s**t on the store shelves that comes boxed or canned, freeze-dried or frozen. "Hot-Pockets & Pizza Rolls" are the #1 and #2 foods that kids consume as a daily diet staple. Generally for lunch and/or for an after school snack. Have you seen what's in these things?? UN-FRICKIN-BELIEVABLE that any parent would buy these for their kids. I used to hear, and I know it's still true today; "I don't have time. . .for this or that!" Don't have time for what? Why is everybody always rushing to get to the grave? At what price is the health of yourself and your family an un-conceivable expense? When is enough. . .ENOUGH??!! "Home-cooked" is something that the majority of kids, of the last two generations, only see on a restaurant sign. They certainly don't get "home-cooked" at home! What an oxymoron that is! Health care needs are up in this country along with the costs, because people have TERRIBLE, ROTTEN nutritional habits!!!

Are we getting weaker? You're D@MN RIGHT we are!

All of the chemicals in our food, water, and air are killing us. . .slowly, but they are killing us. We are smarter than our predecessors, aptitude wise, but we are as dumb as a bag of rock when it comes to taking care of ourselves physically. Why do you think cancer is so prevalent?!

All the working-out won't do you any good, when you ingest all the foods, even fruits and veggies that are laden with chemicals and pesticides, which cause the cancers in our bodies.

People ask; "whers does cancer come from and how does it start?" Well, all those pharmaceuticals, food chemicals, and pesticides get stored in our bodies until there comes a point that our body (because our immune systems become altered) finally gives in, breaks down, and the cancer begins to grow.

Well, that's my take on the situation. If you think about it. . .really think about it, you'll understand what is happening and why.

Now, another topic that I could cover, but will at a later date is. . . .:eek: "smoking"! :eek:

[rwc1969]

It's just nature's way of trying to keep balance. The more adept we get at fighting disease the more adept diseases will get at fighting us.

As far as drinking water from a stream, Sourdough's is probably clean and contam/ disease free. I guarantee you couldn't live off the water in streams around here. If ya fed it to your baby it would probably die.

Supposedly the human body is much stronger now than even in the 1800's. Supposedly if a person was transported into the present from that time period they would die shortly after from a disease or environmnet that they have no tolerance/ immunity against.

The big question is this. Once we overcome all disease how will we keep the population under control? Are we steeering ourselves into a "Soylent Green" way of life? Yes!

[doug1980]

Actually we are healthier and live longer than ever before.
Our kids rarely die in infancy and most of our women survive childbirth.
And that's just for starters.

Please disagree with me when I say that natural selection might make sense as long as it doesn't happen to you and yours.


Pharmaceuticals, vaccines, antibiotics, O.T.C. cold and flu meds, are chemically changing the genetics of people and those changes get passed on from generation to generation. It's been happening since the post-war "industrial revolution" era (1946).

All of the "sterilizing" household cleaners and the alcohol-based hand sanitizers don't actually keep the bad bacteria away, they kill the good and necessary bacteria in our system and on our skin that fight off all of the virsuses and infections that are going around in the world today.

And, more people travel to third-world countries, where sanitation and clean conditions (and I use "clean" facetiously) are, at best, disease, germ, & virus breeding grounds, i.e. E-coli, botulism, H1N1, AIDS, malaryia, and on, and on, and on. . . .

We, as Americans, contract many of these diseases and viruses because we're so overly concerned about washing our hands, using alcohol-based sanitizers, and household "germ-killing" cleaners, as well as, poor daily diets and nutrition, which only exacerbates the problem of contracting all the little vermin floating around out there.

The majority of the population ingests garbage food which precludes any nutrients from helping to maintain their immune systems and to help ward off whatever they might come in contact with.

Processed and fast foods are the absolute worst things any living being (human or animal) could consume, but people keep eating all the s**t on the store shelves that comes boxed or canned, freeze-dried or frozen. "Hot-Pockets & Pizza Rolls" are the #1 and #2 foods that kids consume as a daily diet staple. Generally for lunch and/or for an after school snack. Have you seen what's in these things?? UN-FRICKIN-BELIEVABLE that any parent would buy these for their kids. I used to hear, and I know it's still true today; "I don't have time. . .for this or that!" Don't have time for what? Why is everybody always rushing to get to the grave? At what price is the health of yourself and your family an un-conceivable expense? When is enough. . .ENOUGH??!! "Home-cooked" is something that the majority of kids, of the last two generations, only see on a restaurant sign. They certainly don't get "home-cooked" at home! What an oxymoron that is! Health care needs are up in this country along with the costs, because people have TERRIBLE, ROTTEN nutritional habits!!!

Are we getting weaker? You're D@MN RIGHT we are!

All of the chemicals in our food, water, and air are killing us. . .slowly, but they are killing us. We are smarter than our predecessors, aptitude wise, but we are as dumb as a bag of rock when it comes to taking care of ourselves physically. Why do you think cancer is so prevalent?!

All the working-out won't do you any good, when you ingest all the foods, even fruits and veggies that are laden with chemicals and pesticides, which cause the cancers in our bodies.

People ask; "whers does cancer come from and how does it start?" Well, all those pharmaceuticals, food chemicals, and pesticides get stored in our bodies until there comes a point that our body (because our immune systems become altered) finally gives in, breaks down, and the cancer begins to grow.

Well, that's my take on the situation. If you think about it. . .really think about it, you'll understand what is happening and why.

Now, another topic that I could cover, but will at a later date is. . . .:eek: "smoking"! :eek:


That was a fabulous post. A+

[Rick]

You can eat and drink all the bacteria you want. And you can live to be 100. But the majority of folks won't. They will get sick and die. Sourdough has clean water because it's clean. If it had giardia or any other parasite, cyst or virus in sufficient numbers then he would get sick. Simple as that.

As we get older our immune systems do get weaker but I don't think it has anything to do with the age we live in. Yes, some early Americans did live to 70 and beyond. But the average life expectancy was about 35 and that was true up through the early 20th century. Today, life expectancy in the U.S. is 75.5 years for men and 80 years for women. But there are still places in this world where live expectancy is less than 40 years. You can say what you want about not getting medical care and not getting vaccinated and poor diets and living to 100. The rare individual will achieve that but the vast majority won't. You hear about the one that lived to 100. You don't hear about their contemporaries because they are all dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

[Nativedude]

A second, related topic, is the exponentially larger size of humans today.

Humans are increasing in stature, as well as, and more prominently, in girth at an alarming rate. Which, in turn, increases diabetes, cancer, and other health related issues.

This stems from all of the growth hormones used to produce larger cattle, chickens, and even produce. And the use of antibiotics in the aforementioned, which alters our immune systems and allows for diseases and viruses to compromise our bodies.

The hormones get into the animals and veggies and we then ingest them, and in turn, get into our systems, which in turn, are passed on to our off-spring genetically.

On a side note: There are noted Native Americans of the 18th & 19th Centuries whom lived well into their 80's, 90's and even early 100's. Before the Europeans (white men) introduced them to Eastern culture!

[Rick]

I'd like to see your source on that. You don't suppose the fact that mothers are no longer malnourished in most of the US allowing the fetus a much better head start has any impact? Growth has a direct correlation to health. As a society gets healthier it also gets larger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

[Nativedude]

Rick wrote: "I'd like to see your source on that. You don't suppose the fact that mothers are no longer malnourished in most of the US allowing the fetus a much better head start has any impact? Growth has a direct correlation to health. As a society gets healthier it also gets larger."

Dr. Andre Brouten of the German Medicine & Science Institute. His 1994 report "Growth and Obesity in Modern Day Society". He did a 10 year study on the use of growth hormones and their affects on humans and found that growth hormones used in animals are passed on to humans through the consumption of the meat. From them to us and us to our off-spring.

Also obesity is not healthy. If that comes from mom, then I say give it back! But, it is a double-edged sword. Mothers of today do not breast feed babies, so babies get chemicals from the man-made formulas on the market. On the other hand, if a mother does breast feed, the baby ingests her hormone enhanced and altered milk and the infant gets the bad "ju-ju" that way as well. So the poor kid is screwed right from the get go! And if the baby gets fed both?! . . .:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I agree that increased height is directly related to proper nutrition.

Anybody can say what they want, but anything synthetic, processed, or any man-made chemicals, or pesticides are not good for our bodies. . .period!!

[your_comforting_company]

Today, life expectancy in the U.S. is 75.5 years for men and 80 years for women.


Haha.. and retirement age is 76 now? I'd almost rather die at 40 than work my whole life and save money so that I can die 6 months later and never enjoy a penny of it...



Anybody can say what they want, but anything synthetic, processed, or any man-made chemicals, or pesticides are not good for our bodies. . .period!!

I believe this wholeheartedly. I don't take asprin for headaches. I haven't had a flu shot ever (tho I've had the flu once or twice in my life). I think it's the synthetics that are killing us. Nobody believes in the 'poor man's' natural remedies anymore, the way my grandma did. but then again, she died of cancer too... from cigarettes and alcohol.. just sayin'

[Rick]

ND - I don't discount the impact environment has and I don't like the fact that the things you mentioned are in our foods....and now our waterways. I was just pointing out that food additives are not the only factor in height within a society. Genetics and overall health probably play a more important role but the impact from overuse of food additives is not without merit.

By the way. All the kiddies in my family have been breast fed.....except me, which might explain a lot.

[BENESSE]

Haha.. and retirement age is 76 now? I'd almost rather die at 40 than work my whole life and save money so that I can die 6 months later and never enjoy a penny of it..

Some people like working.
I hope I work 'til the day I drop off my perch.
Don't confuse "working" with being in a job you hate. Is it making money while doing it that's throwing you off?

[Sourdough]

Haha.. and retirement age is 76 now? I'd almost rather die at 40 than work my whole life and save money so that I can die 6 months later and never enjoy a penny of it...


If your working for money.........You will never, ever be happy.:):winkiss:

[BENESSE]

If your working for money.........You will never, ever be happy.:):winkiss:

That depends on your job.
In my case I just happen to be paid for what I love to do.
How bad can that be?
I've worked for money and I've worked for free (volunteer) and the common denominator is the work itself never money.

[Sourdough]

That depends on your job.
In my case I just happen to be paid for what I love to do.
How bad can that be?
I've worked for money and I've worked for free (volunteer) and the common denominator is the work itself never money.



My point is: If the primary motivation is money, if the reason one goes to work every day is the paycheck on Friday, they should look at the price in aliveness that they forfeit for money. When I was a commercial pilot, I loved flying so much, that I would do it for free, and was shocked that I got paid money to fly all over Alaska. How great is that.........:)

[BENESSE]

My point is: If the primary motivation is money, if the reason one goes to work every day is the paycheck on Friday, they should look at the price in aliveness that they forfeit for money. When I was a commercial pilot, I loved flying so much, that I would do it for free, and was shocked that I got paid money to fly all over Alaska. How great is that.........:)

I think we are in agreement on that.

Just a side point though.
Whether you love your job or hate it, it's important to earn a living and support yourself and your family the best way you know how. I get really p-o'd at people who pick and choose, trying to "find themselves" and end up sitting on their hands while their kids go hungry.
If you can't find happiness at work, find it elsewhere.

[glockcop]

I Don't Think That We Are Getting Weaker. The Reason For Such Wide Spread Outbreaks Is That The Antibiotics And Medications We Use Are Getting Less And Less Effective. Microbes And Viruses Are More Resilent And Resistant To Our Meds After Years Of Mutation And Adaption. It Is A Great Example Of Evolution Before Our Eyes. In Nature The Rule Is "Adapt Or Die". Microbes And Viruses Are Doing Just That. Best.

[Beo]

Personally I think its all jibberish, can't eat this can't eat that... don't drink beer (yeah right) coke gives ya cancer, cheese drives up your cholesertrol, yeah whatever.
I eat a lot of red meat, a lot of chicken, a lot of turkey, no fish hate it) and a ton of cheese, I dip copenhagen and drink beer and coke, eat bacon (never gonna give that up) and a ton of crap they say will lesson your life span... pfffttt to them. My last physical (August 2009) my health was fine, no high cholesterol, blood pressure great (could be I don't give a crap), had the prostate and colon check all good. I run 1 1/2 miles three days a week that's it but I'm in the woods quite a bit trekking or hiking or scouting call, it what you will. I live for me and my family, my grandfather smoked like a chiminey, so does my pops, drank beer and ate what they wanted grandfather died at age 89 natural causes and dad is still going strong.
Kids are weaker because they are younger, elderly are weaker because they are elderly, we treat our kids with silk gloves, babying them even into teenage years and early twenties, no one wants to do a thing but everyone wants something, we live in a me first society and listen to everyone with some letters after his name telling us what to do and if we dont change or do what they say we'll die. I gotta throw the big red BS flag on this, don't believe it.
Don't believe in Global Warming or that my breathing or animals breathing will kill us all with the carbon dixocide poisoning, bunch of crap from a bunch of people that want to control you and government health care is a bad mistake as is government rumming the big businesses like is happening now, although I don't care as I watch out for my family and close friends.
Just my opinion/rant
Beo,

[Beo]

Oh yeah and my answer would be no we are not getting weaker, just softer... lol.

[rwc1969]

Supposedly, other than genetics, Height is directly related to what you eat and drink growing up. Kids who drink alot of fruit juice and eat a lot of fruit tend to be shorter. Kids who eat less fruit tend to be taller.

Fruit somehow interferes with the uptake of calcium or something along those lines. So, if a kid eats lots of fruit while his or her bones are grwoing they won't grow as much.

[nell67]

Supposedly, other than genetics, Height is directly related to what you eat and drink growing up. Kids who drink alot of fruit juice and eat a lot of fruit tend to be shorter. Kids who eat less fruit tend to be taller.

Fruit somehow interferes with the uptake of calcium or something along those lines. So, if a kid eats lots of fruit while his or her bones are grwoing they won't grow as much.


"splains alot.......

[owl_girl]

yea i think our bodies and immune system is becoming weaker. i dont take vaccinations anymore. ive hardly had any through my life. i think they have their place but are way overused same with antibiotics. also some of the vaccines used here in the US are not legal in any other county because they didnt pass heath standards and were considered dangerous. most countries have also banned certain dangerously toxic chemicals from being used in their technology and house hold produces. they still use these things but with less toxic chemicals. the US dose not have these restrictions and the manufacturers of these items and drugs sell us the toxic crap even though they sell every other county the good stuff.

[Beo]

Supposedly, other than genetics, Height is directly related to what you eat and drink growing up. Kids who drink alot of fruit juice and eat a lot of fruit tend to be shorter. Kids who eat less fruit tend to be taller. Fruit somehow interferes with the uptake of calcium or something along those lines. So, if a kid eats lots of fruit while his or her bones are grwoing they won't grow as much.

Now while I don't understand how that would work, sorry not a Doc and I went to public skool, in the islands (Jamaica, Bahama's, St.Croix and Thomas) all of which I go to every summer, well one of them on vacation each year. The kids there eat a ton of fruit and natural things and do grow quite tall. So not sure on that but you could be correct.

[owl_girl]

yea i disagree rwc1969. fruit not only provides calcium but other nutrients your body needs to absorb and utilize calcium for growth. to much calcium without some of those other nutrients will actually hurt your bone structure. i also doubt most people in this country knows what qualifies as fruit. some people think rhubarb is a fruit, and many think squash is a vegetable

[skunkkiller]

fruit should be eaten before you eat something esle or it does not digest
propper.

[Sourdough]

i also doubt most people in this country knows what qualifies as fruit.


I was in San Francisco once............:innocent:

[Rick]

yea i think our bodies and immune system is becoming weaker. i dont take vaccinations anymore. ive hardly had any through my life. i think they have their place but are way overused same with antibiotics. also some of the vaccines used here in the US are not legal in any other county because they didnt pass heath standards and were considered dangerous. most countries have also banned certain dangerously toxic chemicals from being used in their technology and house hold produces. they still use these things but with less toxic chemicals. the US dose not have these restrictions and the manufacturers of these items and drugs sell us the toxic crap even though they sell every other county the good stuff.

I will agree with the antibiotics but certainly not the vaccines. You can't overuse a vaccine. The "flu" mutates each year requiring a new vaccine to counteract it. I don't know of anyone that's had multiple small pox, rubella, etc. unless it was a follow up because of the amount of time that had passed.

As for the US selling toxic chemicals while other countries don't, there's a great big vice versa there, too. There are tons of pharmaceuticals and bug killers that you can easily acquire over the counter or on the shelf in other countries that either require a prescription or have been outright banned here in the US.

[lucznik]

Wow. I am astounded at the misinformation being casually thrown about.

Eating fruit causing stunted growth?

Nonsense. Fruits and fruit juices have no direct effect on how tall a person is going to grow - except that their nutrients can certainly help a person be healthy and it has been shown historically that as people have had access to healthier, properly balanced diets, they have tended to be taller.

Now, if a child drinks only fruit juices and fails to drink their milk for example, the lack of calcium in their diet could cause some problems with bone growth and health. But, this is the result of an imbalance in diet; it is not the fruit juice itself that is doing it. Drink only the milk and not the fruit juices and you will suffer from some other imbalance.

It's like suggesting that because both ice cream consumption and drownings both go up in the summer that it must be the ice cream consumption that is causing the drownings. It's just simply not true.

Vaccinations in the US being less "pure" than in other countries?

Preposterous. The vaccines used in the US have the most stringent controls of anywhere in the world. If anything, the controls on them are too stringent making it too difficult to dispense them in our country. For example, the New England Journal of Medicine recently published an article where they found that the expiration dates on vaccines and drugs (both prescription and over the counter) were largely arbitrary and based on protecting financial motivations rather than product efficacy. The journal suggests that these products can be safely and effectively used for 5 or more years after the "use by" date printed on the box. Still, it's illegal in the US to dispense meds after the expiration date so what do we do? We send these meds to other countries where the rules aren't so strict.

How do I know this? Because for 3 1/2 years I worked as the Clinic Manager at my work and that's exactly what we did (do) with the meds that expire in our facility.

Vaccines bieng overused?

Balderdash. Immunization is one of the most successful public health achievements of the 20th century. Due to systematic vaccination programs, smallpox has been all-but eliminated worldwide, and cases of polio, measles, diphtheria and Hib are at all-time lows. The burden of other diseases (including Hepatitis A and B, Human Papillomavirus, Influenza, Meningococcal disease, Mumps, Pertussis, Pneumococcal Bacterium, Rotavirus, Rubella, Tetanus, and Varicella/Chicken Pox) has been significantly reduced.

The fact that we haven't completely eradicated some of these other diseases is because their occurrence is now so rare that well-meaning but uneducated people think they don't need to bother anymore, thus allowing an opportunity for exposure and infection. IMO, it's a pretty poor parent that allows their child to suffer from a vaccine-preventable disease (i.e measles) when a simple shot could have totally prevented it. Dr. Gary L. Freed, chairman of the U.S. National Vaccine Advisory Committee and director of the Pediatrics and Child Health Evaluation and Research unit at the University of Michigan Healthcare System probably said it best when he stated that, "Most parents today have never seen the physical and emotional devastation caused by vaccine-preventable diseases and have a skewed view of the perceived risks associated with vaccines versus the actual risks of the diseases the vaccines are designed to prevent."

Anyone who suggests that vaccinations don't work simply has no knowledge or understanding of the disease situation that existed before the advent of mass vaccinations in the 20th century.

[owl_girl]

but vaccines use our immune system. so from what i understand if every one is using vaccines the virus adapts faster, if the virus adapts/mutates and we keep needing stronger vaccines its not just adapting to the vaccine but to our immune system.

[Rick]

Lucznik What a well worded and referenced post! Simply excellent!

Owl Girl - The virus will adapt anyway. It isn't our immune system that triggers it. That's what virus's do. That why the are so successful.

[lucznik]

but vaccines use our immune system. You have this backwards. Vaccines do not use our immune system. Rather, our immune system uses the vaccine.

Vaccines are composed of the actual virus that causes the given disease, but that has been killed. When you receive the vaccination (through nasal sprays, injections, or whatever) your body's immune system uses this dead virus to "learn" its structure and then if/when you are exposed to the live virus, your body knows how to defend itself.

[doug1980]

Well I still believe our immune system is negatively affected by modern medicine. Our bodies are not as tolerant to some things that they used to be, however, I spose they have become tolerant of other things.

As for the whole height debate. My mother was the baby of 7 kids and is the shortest at 5'1" my dad was adopted so no real comparision on his side but he is also 5'1" My brother and I are both 5'6" slightly below average but I don't think it was only the food we ate. It's genetics and yes a lot of things can contribute to altering genes...foods, chemicals etc. My wife is 5'4" her sister is also 5'4". Their mom is 5'5" but their dad is 6'3" so who knows. As for weight, well my mom barely breaks 100lbs but my dad is 200. On my wifes side her family is "big" and she is around 150. Growing up my weight fluctuated constantly. I was very thin until 9 then became overweight. I stayed overweight until about 16 then dropped drastically. I stayed at 120lbs until I was 20 then went to 160. I stayed at that weight until 24 then went to 180 until last year where I went up to 220. Strangly my brother has followed a very similar path with his weight loss and gain. The strange part is I ate nothing but fast food from 16-20. The whole time I was in the Air Force I struggled with weight, I was put on diets and exercise routines and still could not get my weight where they wanted it. Am I unhealthy....yeah maybe I am. 2 years ago I had high blood pressure that was at 160lbs now I'm 60lbs heavier but my BP is normal. I can't run a marathon but feel good. Most of the weight I packed on this past year was muscle since my focus has been strength training. I bench considerably more than I weigh and still run 3-5 miles a week.

[2dumb2kwit]

Or is it we are 2dumb......?


Is he a disease?????????:)


Nah....but my humor can be infectious! LOL:innocent:

[2dumb2kwit]

Anybody notice that all these diseases i the past few years have been attacking different types of meats. For example a few years ago the media was big on the mad cow disease thats beef. then that went away and then the media started on the bird flu, thats poultry. now the media is focused on the swine flu and thats pork. just watch ill bet anyone that in the next few years the media will be focused on some big disease that targets fish. kind of ironic huh?

I think I've had beer flu!:blushing:

[owl_girl]

even if thy dont weaken it many have side effects and nasty things in them. so i woulnt just pump them in like most people. but like i said i do believe they have there place.
my mom was talking to me about studies she has read on mass injections (meaning the mass population getting vaccinated for the same virus) over long amounts of time causing the mass population to have weakened immune system. but id have to find the articles. i beleive it was a vaccine that almost killed my brother. the doc said it had no side effects to my mom and another mother who did lose her baby to it. just way the risks.

[Rick]

Weigh the risks is sound advice for a lot of things in life. http://smileydatabase.com/s/241.png

[owl_girl]

oh and lucznik, many vaccines dont use dead viruses, just weakened ones, i know how they work and you could call that the immune system using the vaccine or the vaccine using the immune system. i called it that because i saw it as the vaccine using the immune systems ability to produce its own antibodies. you see it as the immune system using the vaccine to provide information. either way same thing.

[trax]

I'm pretty sure my body's getting weaker, it wore me out just reading through this thread. Think I'll go take a nap.

[Nativedude]

Beowulf65WROTE: ]". . . .Kids are weaker because they are younger, elderly are weaker because they are elderly, we treat our kids with silk gloves, babying them even into teenage years and early twenties, no one wants to do a thing but everyone wants something, we live in a me first society. . . "

Contrary to what is most may think, an infant, toddler, and child's immune system is the highest, of any age group, to fend off disease and viruses. It levels off through the 20's, 30's and 40's, starts to decline into 50's, and steadily declines until we die.

Kids today are way too over indulged, in everything the do and get. The word "NO" just doesn't exist when raising them. That is complete and utter
BS!!

And, whether you believe it or not, nutrition and exercise (whether working-out or through physical labor work) play a key roles in an individual's health and well-being!


Beowulf65 Wrote: ]"Don't believe in Global Warming or that my breathing or animals breathing will kill us all with the carbon dixocide poisoning, bunch of crap from a bunch of people that want to control you. . . .Beo"

Global Warming (as the environmental zealots call it) is a non-controllable evolutionary change (just as the ice-age was), that will take place no matter what we do.

Humans are constantly trying to "control" everything. Mother Nature, climate change, other people, etc.

[Rick]

Contrary to what is most may think, an infant, toddler, and child's immune system is the highest, of any age group, to fend off disease and viruses. It levels off through the 20's, 30's and 40's, starts to decline into 50's, and steadily declines until we die.

Kids today are way too over indulged, in everything the do and get. The word "NO" just doesn't exist when raising them. That is complete and utter
BS!!

And, whether you believe it or not, nutrition and exercise (whether working-out or through physical labor work) play a key roles in an individual's health and well-being!

Spot on, my friend!! The mother's anti-bodies are provided to the child across the placenta prior to birth and through breast milk after birth.

Anymore, my immune system punches the clock about 5:00 p.m. and leaves me to my own devices until 9:00 the next morning. It's in the contract. What can you do?

[rwc1969]

Beowolf and Owlgirl, I think it's because vitamin C or ascorbic acid blocks the absorption of Calcium when taken in large quantities. I searched for the study, but couldn't find it.

It was a respected and detailed study that covered a wide area of peoples/ cultures and such. I didn't want to believe it, but it was quite convincing.

The study didn't say the folks were unhealthy just shorter and more prone to osteoporosis I believe. I think it also showed they had a decreased risk of heart disease and cancer.

[Rick]

I see threads like this pop up now and again with proclamations of how we as a specie are much weaker and softer. I'm a bit hard pressed to understand the logic behind it. It's as if being alone in the wilderness and entirely self sufficient is the only way to live and should be the goal of everyone.

For mankind's entire existence he has worked very hard at being more efficient and making his life easier. Progressing from stone tools to metal tools to bow and arrow to muzzle loader to rifle is just one example. Moving from a nomadic life to living in a cave to huts of various types to cabins to modern homes another.

There is also the assertion that living in a modern world should be shunned and having bills of any kind, even manageable ones, is a very bad thing.

We produce an incredible amount of food on a very small amount of land, we are able to sustain our bodies far longer than any previous generation, we have far more leisure time and we have progressed to the point where we can actually choose how we want to live be it more primitive or more modern. Some of us actually like what we do for a living, enjoy the luxuries of our modern world and really have no desire to live in a cabin in the woods with no amenities unless it's a second "home" or hunting retreat.

If folks want to live devoid of human contact and chop wood to heat your home and hunt for your next meal, I think that's great. I'm impressed you have the skills necessary to do that. I'm tickled to death you have the health to live out your life that way and I certainly wish you all the success in the world. You have the right to do so and I for one won't belittle your choice.

However, and this is the point of my rant, some of us don't choose to live that way. That doesn't make us any less human, weak or stupid. While it may be true I won't last very long trying to keep up with you, you need to understand that I don't want to. I dare say that you would have an equally tough time keeping up with me in my world, but I realize that you don't want to.

We are no different than our ancestors. None. Genetically, we are the same. While we probably do have things to worry about in terms of growth hormones and antibiotic overuse our ancestors had things to worry about like smallpox, tuberculosis, plagues and cholera. Sort of a trade off, huh? I dare say our kids will have things to worry about we have not yet dreamed of.

End rant...

[Ole WV Coot]

When I was a kid penicillin was the cure for everything, now antibiotics. We develop then overuse. We are smarter(some of us) and can adapt. Like Rick said we developed "stuff" to make life easier and longer for us. I don't think we are weaker, stronger if anything. We have things today that lots of people can't handle. Physically we aren't as active, mentally more so. It's still a jungle out there but now the animals are winning, because we let them. Go to the local pawn shop, should be three brass ones outside so take a couple.

[doug1980]

I see threads like this pop up now and again with proclamations of how we as a specie are much weaker and softer. I'm a bit hard pressed to understand the logic behind it. It's as if being alone in the wilderness and entirely self sufficient is the only way to live and should be the goal of everyone.

For mankind's entire existence he has worked very hard at being more efficient and making his life easier. Progressing from stone tools to metal tools to bow and arrow to muzzle loader to rifle is just one example. Moving from a nomadic life to living in a cave to huts of various types to cabins to modern homes another.

There is also the assertion that living in a modern world should be shunned and having bills of any kind, even manageable ones, is a very bad thing.

We produce an incredible amount of food on a very small amount of land, we are able to sustain our bodies far longer than any previous generation, we have far more leisure time and we have progressed to the point where we can actually choose how we want to live be it more primitive or more modern. Some of us actually like what we do for a living, enjoy the luxuries of our modern world and really have no desire to live in a cabin in the woods with no amenities unless it's a second "home" or hunting retreat.

If folks want to live devoid of human contact and chop wood to heat your home and hunt for your next meal, I think that's great. I'm impressed you have the skills necessary to do that. I'm tickled to death you have the health to live out your life that way and I certainly wish you all the success in the world. You have the right to do so and I for one won't belittle your choice.

However, and this is the point of my rant, some of us don't choose to live that way. That doesn't make us any less human, weak or stupid. While it may be true I won't last very long trying to keep up with you, you need to understand that I don't want to. I dare say that you would have an equally tough time keeping up with me in my world, but I realize that you don't want to.

We are no different than our ancestors. None. Genetically, we are the same. While we probably do have things to worry about in terms of growth hormones and antibiotic overuse our ancestors had things to worry about like smallpox, tuberculosis, plagues and cholera. Sort of a trade off, huh? I dare say our kids will have things to worry about we have not yet dreamed of.

End rant...

Wow Rick seems to be a touchy subject for you. :) I'll not argue with you since in the end it really doesn't matter if we agree or not.

[lucznik]

My mother was the baby of 7 kids and is the shortest at 5'1" my dad was adopted so no real comparision on his side but he is also 5'1" My brother and I are both 5'6" slightly below average but I don't think it was only the food we ate. It's genetics and yes a lot of things can contribute to altering genes...foods, chemicals etc. My wife is 5'4" her sister is also 5'4". Their mom is 5'5" but their dad is 6'3" so who knows. As for weight, well my mom barely breaks 100lbs but my dad is 200. On my wifes side her family is "big" and she is around 150. Growing up my weight fluctuated constantly. I was very thin until 9 then became overweight. I stayed overweight until about 16 then dropped drastically. I stayed at 120lbs until I was 20 then went to 160. I stayed at that weight until 24 then went to 180 until last year where I went up to 220. Strangly my brother has followed a very similar path with his weight loss and gain. The strange part is I ate nothing but fast food from 16-20. The whole time I was in the Air Force I struggled with weight, I was put on diets and exercise routines and still could not get my weight where they wanted it. Am I unhealthy....yeah maybe I am. 2 years ago I had high blood pressure that was at 160lbs now I'm 60lbs heavier but my BP is normal. I can't run a marathon but feel good. Most of the weight I packed on this past year was muscle since my focus has been strength training. I bench considerably more than I weigh and still run 3-5 miles a week.All of these examples are entirely anecdotal. They provide no value in evaluating an overall condition of the population's state of health as they represent way, way too small a sample size and involve absolutely no controls. They are statistically totally insignificant.


Wow Rick seems to be a touchy subject for you. :) I'll not argue with you since in the end it really doesn't matter if we agree or not. Rick is spot on. He's not being touchy, he's making a statement of reality. There is nothing about which to argue in his post.

You can't look at a population that lives longer, produces more with less, and suffers fewer diseases than any other generation in recorded history and claim that they are somehow weaker without providing some kind of proof. If you want to believe the population is weaker, that's fine. You can also believe that the sky is falling or that Santa is going to bring you a nice present this year. If you want to convince others of your belief, please provide some authoritative (non-anecdotal) references upon which you are basing that belief.

So far, all the examples given have been rather easily refuted.

[Sourdough]

Old Sourdough Saying, "Hard to "REFUTE" Verbal Masturbation..........and not end up with all sticky".

[2dumb2kwit]

Old Sourdough Saying, "Hard to "REFUTE" Verbal Masturbation..........and not end up with all sticky".


HaHaHa....Do you mind, if I use that quote?
(That's dang-it funny, right there!)

[doug1980]

All of these examples are entirely anecdotal. They provide no value in evaluating an overall condition of the population's state of health as they represent way, way too small a sample size and involve absolutely no controls. They are statistically totally insignificant.

Rick is spot on. He's not being touchy, he's making a statement of reality. There is nothing about which to argue in his post.

You can't look at a population that lives longer, produces more with less, and suffers fewer diseases than any other generation in recorded history and claim that they are somehow weaker without providing some kind of proof. If you want to believe the population is weaker, that's fine. You can also believe that the sky is falling or that Santa is going to bring you a nice present this year. If you want to convince others of your belief, please provide some authoritative (non-anecdotal) references upon which you are basing that belief.

So far, all the examples given have been rather easily refuted.


I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just thought it was an interesting topic. Trying to look at both sides, and the grey area between. Seems most see it in black and white unwilling to accept that both sides have valid points of view. But that's how most are I spose it has to be one or the other never a middle ground.

Oh and I think Rick can defend himself..not that he needed too since what I said was said jokingly but thanks. :)

[hoosierarcher]

The amount of ignorance I have seen in this thread is mind blowing. I couldn't bring myself to read it all the way through. Once again Rick has been a voice for reason in a tumult of prejudiced OPINIONS.
Antibiotics, innoculations, OTC medications and prescription drugs, have only one effect on our genetics. They let us live long enough to pass on our genes or none at all.They do not "attach" to or alter our genes. Neither to external source hormones. If you took massive dosages you might poison yourself but your DNA would be the DNA you were born with.
As far the state of humans being stronger or weaker in immunity and phisque and growing larger etc. Baby Boomers have the tallest average height of an American generation, 6'. Our parent's generation was 5'9" and our children would seem to be going back to that. I have my doubts about the so called "obesity epidemic." It seems a media driven concern.
To address the immunity issue, our personal immune system is a combination of the antibodies we got from our mother, if we were breast fed, our genetic resistance, and our acquired antibodies from the diseases we have either gotten and survived and those we have been innoculated against.
A person never being ill is as much a function of random chance as personal immunity. Getting an illness and beating it quickly is better proof to a strong immune system.
In one way we are stronger than those that came before us. Because they lived through epidemics we have a better chance of surviving those diseases.
As far as influenza is concerned the viruses that cause influenza mutate readily. So even if you had a bad type once and lived through it, the latest strain can still kick your butt because your antibodies are keyed to what it used to be. Not what it is. That is why even though our grandparents lived through the Great Influenza Pandemic we can still die from influenza today.
Do they sell junk and call it food, yes. (some of it's very tasty junk....can you say twinkies Rick?)
Do we work as physically hard as our progenetors? As a rule, NO.
Do we live longer in general? Yes
Why? A combination of genetics, nutrition and modern medicine. Because of rapid urgent care of ERs we survive things that were the cause of death for myriads of our ancestors. Heart attacks, strokes, accidents that were lethal then are survivalable now.
The work place is now much, much safer than it was just 70 years ago. When the auto industry was in it's infancy it was unusual when someone DIDN'T die during a shift. When someone did they just laid them in the center aisle and went back to work.
Basically we live longer mostly because we live safer. The reason The Founding Fathers lived into their 60s and 70s when the average age at death was 35 was two fold, one reason is mathematical. Infant death was rampent in Colonial America. To simplify it if 50% of your population dies at less than a year of age and 50% dies at age 70 your average lifespan will be? you guessed it 35.It isn't that simple in real history but you get the idea. The other reason they lived to ripe old ages was because they were Doctors, Lawyers, Ministers and owners of businesses/plantations. They didn't do the heavy lifting, dangerous work of their day. There are some exceptions, John Adams for one worked daily on his farm very hands on in his 70s and 80s.
War is no respecter of age or wealth neither is disease.
So another reason we have a higher avergae lifespan is we have both very low infant death and our work is safer. Oh and I almost forgot War isn't as deadly for our troops as it used to be. Once again it's the rapid removal from the battlefield and nearly immediate medical attention. If you think it's horrific to see all the amputees and so tragic for them, ask them if they would rather lose a limb or their life and see what answer you get.
People from earlier times had weaker immune systems and died from diseases that are considered childhood diseases now.(measels for one) BUT they were physically stronger because they had to be. Life was tough and so were they.
Life is not so tough and neither are we, generally speaking.

[Rick]

The word YOU is being used in the plural here...

Truly not touchy on the subject and I knew you (Doug) were tongue in cheek. This and other subjects related to health are truly important discussions. I think it's a great subject and I'm glad you (Doug) started the thread. As HA said, there is a lot of misconception related to our immunity to disease and about our toughness in general. So offering a different view (and I hope a correct view) allows everyone the ability to see alternative voices. They may decide to investigate further or they may decide their view was either short sighted or wrong. Or, they may think I'm full of beans, which is okay, too.

In the end, you are entitled to your belief. I just ask that you take a moment and give some consideration to what I've posted. If it sounds just a wee bit correct then I challenge you to investigate further. Having lived with an RN for more than half my life I've picked up a few grains of information. And the sciences are a love of mine so something I constantly read about.

[smittysurvival]

im sure someone already posted this but i think it is just the enviroment now. most of us have a very technelogical life. so we dont have to do much and our systems become weak. it could also have to do with the way our enviroment are treated. we have trash everywhere and alot of unhealthy things in the air. im siure this just makes a breeding ground for pathogens and those just further weaken our immune systems. i say everyone leading a more active life would help fight off the H1N1.

[Rick]

Well, it's a good thought but it doesn't work that way. If it did, I'm sure the Middle Ages would have been exempt from the plague.

[smittysurvival]

i know that rick. people are so careless with simple things that could keep them from getting sick

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