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Rick
10-19-2009, 07:26 PM
It's that time of year again when cold and snow seem to dash inside every time someone opens a door. Just a reminder that staying safe can be even more difficult in the winter.

The state of Montana has put together a nifty brochure chock full of common sense and some neat reminders about how to get around safely this season.

http://dma.mt.gov/des/library/wshandbk02.pdf
COWBOYSURVIVAL
10-19-2009, 07:50 PM
I have a few more backup plans than last year because of my study in survival! Thanks alot to a few here! They know who they are.
oly
10-19-2009, 08:15 PM
Thanks Rick.

Does heat travel to cold or cold travel to heat???
doug1980
10-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Best winter survival tip is to just stay inside. :) I mean who wants to go outside when it's snowing and that cold anyway?
oly
10-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Best winter survival tip is to just stay inside. :) I mean who wants to go outside when it's snowing and that cold anyway?

Dumb people :innocent:
2dumb2kwit
10-19-2009, 08:48 PM
Dumb people :innocent:

Hey, hey, hey......and just what do you mean, by that?:sneaky2: LOL
Old GI
10-20-2009, 08:25 AM
Uh-Oh. Round One - ding-ding.
Sourdough
10-20-2009, 08:36 AM
Best winter survival tip is to just stay inside. :) I mean who wants to go outside when it's snowing and that cold anyway?


Those who wish to milk every moment of the wonderful experience of being alive. Those who enjoy splitting firewood, snow machining, snowshoeing, X-C Skiing. Why would anyone want to live a safe-warm-TV Coma induced-boring life indoors......???? "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing".
NightShade
10-20-2009, 10:10 AM
Those who wish to milk every moment of the wonderful experience of being alive. Those who enjoy splitting firewood, snow machining, snowshoeing, X-C Skiing. Why would anyone want to live a safe-warm-TV Coma induced-boring life indoors......???? "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing".

I agree 110 %.. Why go out in snow!??! Try hiking under a full moon at night in a blizzard through the woods! My favorite time to be out there! You really feel alive! Hey nobody likes being cold, that's why you wear layers and haveproper footwear, whether snowshoes or just warm boots....
Winter offers different challenges in the wilderness, but so doesn't every season. Know the challenges, prepare properly, ...... That's what I tr to do for every season!.. I don't stop hiking in spring because streams are swollen.. And I sure won't stop because the snow is falling!
trax
10-20-2009, 10:44 AM
Thanks Rick.

Does heat travel to cold or cold travel to heat???

Warm air moves up and cold air moves down, so if you build a fire, it'll suck cold air in toward you to keep getting it's oxygen, that's why some kind of windbreak is so important so you don't freeze to death sitting by the fire.

And I agree with Sourdough (although I don't go hiking in blizzards NightShade) there's plenty to do out there in the winter and the best part (personally speaking) less people!
NightShade
10-20-2009, 11:05 AM
Yea the general lack of people is one the best reasons to hike in winter.... Being in the woods during a snowstorm is really cool. Quiet so you can hear the snow falling.. And just beautiful IMO.. Under a full moon it is simply stunning... I know its not for everybody but probably my favorite time to be in the woods... Other than a cool autumn day at dawn during hunting season.
trax
10-20-2009, 11:53 AM
I don't mean to nitpick, but I'd say yeah...going out in a winter snowfall or even a snowstorm, but you said a blizzard and when you're talking blizzard conditions, that's different. If I may:

"According to Environment Canada, a winter storm must have winds of 40 km/h (25 mph) or more, have snow or blowing snow, visibility less than 500 ft (about 1⁄10 mile), a wind chill of less than −25 C (−15 F), and that all of these conditions must last for 3 hours or more before the storm can be properly called a blizzard."

There's a lot of folks reading these threads who have never experienced a blizzard, and even experienced outdoors people can become statistics in those conditions.
doug1980
10-20-2009, 12:32 PM
Well my statement was meant as a joke. :) I go out in the winter, not as much as the summer but I do get out. I also let myself fall into a "safe-warm-TV Coma induced-boring life indoors" too. :) Got to have some variety you know.
NightShade
10-20-2009, 01:33 PM
Trax... I don't go by Canadian... Well anything.... No offense..but yeah conditions like that I go out in.... Even if its woods close t my hiusi know intimately... To clarify I wouldn't recomend doing a 40 mile hike in those conditions.. That's just stupid!.. In Mass we have snowstorms that the local weather people call blizzards... Don't know bout scientific weather groups... And I go out in them!.. I feel more comfortable in the woods on foot than I do in my car on the road!
NCO
10-20-2009, 02:02 PM
In essence the only difference between winter and summer is that you have to wear different clothes and it is easier to ski than to walk. The basics of surviving are still the same. It is all about your brain.
trax
10-20-2009, 02:51 PM
Trax... I don't go by Canadian... Well anything.... No offense..

Well yeah, what could Canadians possibly know about winter?
NCO
10-20-2009, 04:27 PM
Well yeah, what could Canadians possibly know about winter?

Everything the immigrant Finns taught them...:tongue_smilie:
doug1980
10-20-2009, 04:31 PM
No one likes the cold that's why Canadians and all those American's in Northern States are so grumpy. People from the South are so much friendlier.....because it's warm. :)
nell67
10-20-2009, 04:36 PM
Everything the immigrant Finns taught them...:tongue_smilie:
Guess Canadians didn't have winter until the immigrant Finns showed up to teach them about it,hhmmmmm, bomb the Finns......
NCO
10-20-2009, 04:42 PM
Guess Canadians didn't have winter until the immigrant Finns showed up to teach them about it,hhmmmmm, bomb the Finns......

No, they just didn't know what it was... cause they all were soft people from south... This is how I see it...:tongue_smilie:
crashdive123
10-20-2009, 05:18 PM
No one likes the cold that's why Canadians and all those American's in Northern States are so grumpy. People from the South are so much friendlier.....because it's warm. :)

Doug - in the winter time we are a pretty grumpy lot..........too many dang northerners coming down our way to escape the cold.
doug1980
10-20-2009, 05:22 PM
Yeah that will do it too. But you see it still stems from the Northerners.
NightShade
10-20-2009, 05:43 PM
Well yeah, what could Canadians possibly know about winter?

Honestly, it was just a joke.. My point was that is their definition.... And like I said I still would go out... I was hiking in. N.H. 2 years ago with warm clothes and snowshoes.... 10 degrees F. Snow 5 ft deep. And no real long distant visibility.... I wasn't wandering lost in woods I didn't know..... That's just silly.. My original point was that a blizzard can be a beautiful and fun thing if one only changes their perspective..... If you'd rather talk about wilderness on computer that's cool and your choice.. My choice is to go. Enjoy it every chance I get!.. Seriously your gonna die if you go out in a blizzard? Yeah its possible but far from assured! If u prepare properly and use the brain god gave you , you will be fine!... I've done it tons of times and I'm still here.
laughingbeetle
10-20-2009, 05:55 PM
Preparing for winter up here in Northern New York involved getting your day to day vehicle stocked for the almost inevitable off road adventure. Literaly off road, stuck in an 8' snowbank, waiting for someone to pull your sorry butt out. I have stocked my car with roadflairs, waterbottles, flashlight, jumpercables, extra windowwash and antifreeze, blankets, sleepingbag, socks, sweatsuit, Dickies winter overalls, a shovel, a hatchet, munchies, and a fire starting kit that I threw together. As I have a 100 mile commute, through an impressive lake effect snow belt, it is only prudent to make sure I have what I need, before I need it. Which is of course the whole point of this forum.:)
nell67
10-20-2009, 06:08 PM
Honestly, it was just a joke.. My point was that is their definition.... And like I said I still would go out... I was hiking in. N.H. 2 years ago with warm clothes and snowshoes.... 10 degrees F. Snow 5 ft deep. And no real long distant visibility.... I wasn't wandering lost in woods I didn't know..... That's just silly.. My original point was that a blizzard can be a beautiful and fun thing if one only changes their perspective..... If you'd rather talk about wilderness on computer that's cool and your choice.. My choice is to go. Enjoy it every chance I get!.. Seriously your gonna die if you go out in a blizzard? Yeah its possible but far from assured! If u prepare properly and use the brain god gave you , you will be fine!... I've done it tons of times and I'm still here.

You are preaching to the choir dude,trax lives in Manitoba,and KNOWS what he is talking about,he has more experience than a lot of us put together!
NightShade
10-20-2009, 06:22 PM
You are preaching to the choir dude,trax lives in Manitoba,and KNOWS what he is talking about,he has more experience than a lot of us put together!
I must have seriously misunderstood his prior post then.... I was under the impression that he was saying even an experienced outdoorsman wouldn t survive being outside in a blizzard... My apologies
I really was just tryin to let him know I was only teasing him about Canada
Sourdough
10-20-2009, 07:09 PM
When I was a Whippersnapper, we walked two miles to the School bus stop, in three feet of snow. and it was UP HILL both ways coming & Going.....:) But at least we were allowed to take or guns to school in those days.
trax
10-20-2009, 07:24 PM
I must have seriously misunderstood his prior post then.... I was under the impression that he was saying even an experienced outdoorsman wouldn t survive being outside in a blizzard... My apologies
I really was just tryin to let him know I was only teasing him about Canada

No Night Shade, I didn't say wouldn't survive, I was only trying to make the point that a lot of inexperienced people read these posts and even an experienced person can get killed in a blizzard, I wasn't guaranteeing someone would. I know people it's happened to and I can't think of any more difficult weather conditions for a SAR team to have to look for someone who's lost. Just sayin...err on the side of caution.

There may be a good reason why I have a different perspective on this, square mileage of Mass: 2,000 sq miles, square mileage of Manitoba: 250,946 sq miles (just over half of it without roads)

and no need for the apology, hey we all have to say what we have to say, that was pretty funny actually.
Nativedude
10-27-2009, 07:26 PM
Sourdough wrote: "Those who wish to milk every moment of the wonderful experience of being alive. Those who enjoy splitting firewood, snow machining, snowshoeing, X-C Skiing. Why would anyone want to live a safe-warm-TV Coma induced-boring life indoors......???? "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing".

What Sourdough said!

Personally, I HATE summer :tongue_smilie::ban::flare: and LOVE winter! :banana::airhorn::clap:
finallyME
10-28-2009, 09:39 AM
Thanks Rick.

Does heat travel to cold or cold travel to heat???

Heat travels to cold. Cold is a nothing. It is just a word we use to describe the absence of heat. Kind of like dark. Anyways, heat is the only thing that travels.
finallyME
10-28-2009, 09:42 AM
Everything the immigrant Finns taught them...:tongue_smilie:

Don't forget the Norwegians. And I am sure they didn't learn anything from the natives. Anyways, a good question to ask is WHY did they immigrate?
Old GI
10-28-2009, 09:59 AM
HEY!!!!! PIke's Peak is shedding. ....... No wait, that's snow by golly.
doug1980
10-28-2009, 12:09 PM
Got our first snow this morning. Just flurries for now. Late start compared to last year, but I'm actually ready for some snow.
NCO
10-28-2009, 06:58 PM
Don't forget the Norwegians. And I am sure they didn't learn anything from the natives. Anyways, a good question to ask is WHY did they immigrate?

Norwegians learned everything from Finns too... :innocent:

Why they immigrated? Well, in 16th century there was constant wars between Sweden and Russia, we happened to be the battlefield. There was also starvation due bad harvest, some more wars, later in 1808 Russian occupation, the the time of autonomy, some more starvation. Crimean War which included some British naval operations at coast of Finland. Then there was the independence, Finnish civil war, starvation, 2nd world war, rebuilding, 60s when small farms no longer could hold up, and finally the present day of Nokia and Linux.
Rick
10-28-2009, 07:16 PM
At least you broke that vicious starvation cycle. That one is kind of a drag.
NCO
10-28-2009, 07:42 PM
Aye, but that circle on the other hand led to some culinary innovations, like making bread from tree bark and such. These days it is sold to central Europe as "health food", as it certainly doesn't make you fat...
finallyME
10-29-2009, 03:38 PM
Norwegians learned everything from Finns too... :innocent:

Why they immigrated? Well, in 16th century there was constant wars between Sweden and Russia, we happened to be the battlefield. There was also starvation due bad harvest, some more wars, later in 1808 Russian occupation, the the time of autonomy, some more starvation. Crimean War which included some British naval operations at coast of Finland. Then there was the independence, Finnish civil war, starvation, 2nd world war, rebuilding, 60s when small farms no longer could hold up, and finally the present day of Nokia and Linux.

So, what you are saying is that Canada was a better option. That says alot considering it is Canada. :smash:
finallyME
10-29-2009, 03:40 PM
Got our first snow this morning. Just flurries for now. Late start compared to last year, but I'm actually ready for some snow.

Oly and I got 2 inches on Wednesday.
Rick
10-29-2009, 08:26 PM
Mike Myers may have summed up Canada the best...

"Canada is the essence of not being; not English; not American. And a subtle flavour - we're more like...celery."
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