View Full Version : Could "YOU" Work if your life depended on it...??? You Sure.
Sourdough
10-13-2009, 12:11 PM
What passes for work......? People throw the work word around, a lot, even pretend they have tried it once. If someone was picking people to work, would they pick you.....???? Yea, sure you worked in Basic training, and maybe you worked when you were 19 years old.
Ricks, thread "Hunting to Eat" there is a lot of conversation about "Work". Most people know more about pretending they are working, then really working. CONFESSION: I don't work. I would not hire ME or someone like ME for a worker. I can not produce enough work, real work, to justify feeding me. Most of us would be culled, if we were working animals.
All day for the last week and for the next week, I am hand digging holes whit pick & digging bar, in rocky hard-packed ground and packing 94 pound bags of concrete & Portland cement, mixing it by hand in a wheel barrow, cutting the re-bar with a hacksaw & bending it using long pipes. We are down to 11 hours of daylight, and at the end of the day I look at the work done, and am outraged at the lack of results. If I was working for a man, I would expect to be fired. In a survival group I should be culled for the common good. Could you work if your life and other peoples lives depended on it.........????
doug1980
10-13-2009, 12:38 PM
Well if you compare what you are doing to today's version of "work" then you are doing more than most. You will always be your worst critic, and will always expect more out of yourself than anyone else ever will. So when you look at all the stuff you haven't got done yet you get frustrated with yourself. That doesn't mean you are not a hard worker at all. My last job that I did for 8 long years was working at a sawmill. The first 5 years was working in the mill, either stacking lumber or running machinery. The hours were 6-4 M-F and 6-12 on Sat. That's 53 1/2 hours of work. Then the last 3 years was in the woods as a cutter. Out there I never worked less than a 12 hour shift. Usually more like 14 hours, and it was hard work. However, the job I have now I practically do nothing. I drive around base and then walk "the beat" checking on units. Nothing physical at this job. So if I were to go back to logging it would be a rough transition but I am confident I could get back into the swing of things. What's really strange is that I am more sore now than I ever was working in the woods. My neck and back always hurt, and my shoulder, which was injured in my last job, hurts like he!! sometimes. I have gained 30 pounds since my last job and have lost noticeable muscle mass. I'm older now too which will make it even tougher. I think it is natural for those that were used to hard work to become frustrated as the years pack on. They begin to realize that they can't do the things they used to. So could I work if my life depending on it... well I guess that depends on the type of work and for how long I would have to do it. My grandfather could work circles around me, but there again he was raised on hard work. I hate to say it but todays generations are pansies, compared to what it used to be. And as time goes it will only get worse.
BENESSE
10-13-2009, 12:42 PM
I think people generally do what they have to do to survive.
If your kids' lives literally depended on YOUR work I'm pretty sure you'd get with the program a little quicker.
The need to survive and help your loved ones survive is still the best motivating factor of pushing yourself beyond your normal state of being.
I am reminded of this every time I read a book or a story of an average person going
beyond the limits of reason in order to survive.
You never know for sure what you are capable of until you face it.
It depends on your definition of work, who you are comparing yourself against, what your age and physical health are and what conditions you are "working" in. Physical labor isn't the only form of labor on the planet. It may be the only one you are comparing yourself against, however.
rebel
10-13-2009, 01:17 PM
Yes and for as long as I could. Especially if the alternative was the gas chamber or a 9mm.
Breaks over, get back to work.
crashdive123
10-13-2009, 01:22 PM
Yes, I believe I could. Before I started my own business, I worked for one of the BIG 3 pest control companies in the country. I averaged about 80 hours a week. While the work was not physically demanding, it was tiring. I much prefer physical work to that type of work. Prior to that - 80 hours a week would have been a short week (while underway).
COWBOYSURVIVAL
10-13-2009, 02:44 PM
If you don't see me on this forum then I am working or sleeping or both... Seriously I cut the cable to the boobtube almost a year ago. I do all of my own work from Auto repairs to raising a barn. I go it alone because I choose to. I don't have family or buddies I call on when the works gets to be too much. I just turn it up a bit, sometimes I get behind, sometimes I get hurt. I always get it done though. I know it has everything to do with how I was raised. Dad is the same way and last year when he visited for a week we went to manually rotate the tires on his hauler and guess what? He can still flat outwork me. When I get to his level I'll take a break! Till then.......
pocomoonskyeyes
10-13-2009, 02:56 PM
Well I must be the Grandpa that Doug was talking about.At my last job I could outwork some of the younger "Bucks". They just couldn't understand why I would work that hard. I've worked in hay this summer and Tobacco cutting it. Go down one row bent at the waist chop, hand it back to the "staker". Next row start all over again. I was not as fast or as efficient as the experienced hands,but there was no "quit" in me either. The older you get the more you "work smarter,not harder". You use Gravity and levers and all that good stuff we've learned over the years to get the job done!
Hope - I just think you are being too hard on yourself. In Rick's thread you would definitely find your niche.... even if it was just teaching the "young Bucks" the easier more efficient way to do something. I don't think you realize just how many here look up at you, just for doing what you do... day in, day out. 'Nuff said.
Sourdough
10-13-2009, 03:21 PM
It depends on your definition of work, who you are comparing yourself against, what your age and physical health are and what conditions you are "working" in. Physical labor isn't the only form of labor on the planet. It may be the only one you are comparing yourself against, however.
Hardcore SHTF Survival will be mostly HARD Manual labor. There won't be much call for sitting on one's A$$ in a cubicle making spreadsheets on a computer. This my single biggest *itch about this forum......People think it will be like going to a football stadium for a week then back to normal. My opinion is if you can't hump a 30 miles per day with a 45 pound pack, everyday straight for 10 days then you ain't in very good shape. I am using that as a standard of fitness, not a statement of what will be required. We are a country of Fat lazy slugs, who "think" or HOPE we can rise to the occasion.
pocomoonskyeyes
10-13-2009, 03:32 PM
Hardcore SHTF Survival will be mostly HARD Manual labor. There won't be much call for sitting on one's A$$ in a cubicle making spreadsheets on a computer. This my single biggest *itch about this forum......People think it will be like going to a football stadium for a week then back to normal. My opinion is if you can't hump a 30 miles per day with a 45 pound pack, everyday straight for 10 days then you ain't in very good shape. I am using that as a standard of fitness, not a statement of what will be required. We are a country of Fat lazy slugs, who "think" or HOPE we can rise to the occasion.
You may be right. There might be some that won't be able to "cut the mustard".
In some ways though it won't be too different than starting a new "manual Labor" job. Your muscles that you aren't used to using, will be sore and aching. But the alternative is a pretty darn good motivator. I know I am a little overweight,but in 30 days of the lifestyle you are talking about that will all be burnt off and replaced with a good layer of muscle. It will be almost the same as when I went into the military. I was REALLY out of shape then. A lazy teenager. Now I have at least some more muscle,better discipline,and knowledge that would help me, that I didn't have then.
doug1980
10-13-2009, 03:52 PM
Hardcore SHTF Survival will be mostly HARD Manual labor. There won't be much call for sitting on one's A$$ in a cubicle making spreadsheets on a computer. This my single biggest *itch about this forum......People think it will be like going to a football stadium for a week then back to normal. My opinion is if you can't hump a 30 miles per day with a 45 pound pack, everyday straight for 10 days then you ain't in very good shape. I am using that as a standard of fitness, not a statement of what will be required. We are a country of Fat lazy slugs, who "think" or HOPE we can rise to the occasion.
Is this thread because I'm fat? :) I really am, but then you seen me so you know this. :)
Survival of the fittest..... natural selection....it can be a good thing.
RichJ
10-13-2009, 04:03 PM
I have an office job that is half desk work and half field work. The field work consists of digging square holes by hand, lots of 'em (can you guess my occupation?).
I find being outside in the field more enjoying than behind the desk even though the outside part can be labor intensive at times. Don't underestimate how hard it is to dig a hole in rocky ground. I've been where you are after a days work and evaluated my progress while thinking to myself that I didn't get much done that day.
I could do hard labor all day if I had to. I had some pretty crappy summer jobs in college, so I know what real labor is all about (thanks dad). It is the reason I stayed in college.
2dumb2kwit
10-13-2009, 04:03 PM
Is this thread because I'm fat? :) I really am, but then you seen me so you know this. :)
Survival of the fittest..... natural selection....it can be a good thing.
Fat guys stand a chance of getting in shape.
Dumb people, on the other hand....
doug1980
10-13-2009, 04:12 PM
Fat guys stand a chance of getting in shape.
Dumb people, on the other hand....
Sometimes they don't. My whole family is big. My weight changes so much I have to keep 3 different sized wardrobes. I have been as low as 120 (8 years ago) all the way to 230 (last winter) I go to the gym 5 days a week and have for 3 years. Been eating healthy for over a year now since I had high BP. No matter what I do I can't seem to get down to my ideal weight or even close. I'm supposed to be 160 so technically I'm considered obese at my current 215 lbs. Can I run a marathon....no. Can I hike up a mountain.....not as fast as most I'm sure. I watched Man versus Wild last night and he took Will Farrel out there, he is way out of shape compared to Bear so that's prolly how I would be. But oh well I just keep doing what I can if that enough...oh well.
BENESSE
10-13-2009, 04:35 PM
Hardcore SHTF Survival will be mostly HARD Manual labor. There won't be much call for sitting on one's A$$ in a cubicle making spreadsheets on a computer. This my single biggest *itch about this forum......People think it will be like going to a football stadium for a week then back to normal. My opinion is if you can't hump a 30 miles per day with a 45 pound pack, everyday straight for 10 days then you ain't in very good shape. I am using that as a standard of fitness, not a statement of what will be required. We are a country of Fat lazy slugs, who "think" or HOPE we can rise to the occasion.
Let's not underestimate the largest muscle in our body. The brain.
Sometimes it can get you out of trouble when all else fails.
I hope the argument is not about brain vs. brawn, because you're gonna need both. Don't care what SHTF.
Sourdough
10-13-2009, 05:30 PM
Doug1980, You have the good luck to be living in the safest place on earth. With the best Warriors to protect you.
doug1980
10-13-2009, 05:38 PM
Doug1980, You have the good luck to be living in the safest place on earth. With the best Warriors to protect you.
Safest place, but at the same time a very nice target for another Country. It may be wonderful for a natural disaster, but it still has it's dangers. Worst part is I believe it instills a false sense of security living on Base. Either way it is only a temporary situation and one day I will not have the so called "safety net" of being on a Military Installation. If the SHTF like so many fear it will I don't believe it will matter too much where I am, it will catch up eventually.
We are a country of Fat lazy slugs
Sir! I'll have you know I'm no slug!
crashdive123
10-13-2009, 07:45 PM
Salt anyone?
your_comforting_company
10-13-2009, 08:02 PM
"work smarter,not harder". .
thats the best thing my dad ever taught me. We've evolved and improvised our way to understanding things like physics and weight. theres no use reinventing the wheel or working your @$$ off just to prove you can do it...
get a pulley or a lever or something cuz you are getting older!
on the other hand, I worked from dawn till 5:30 today, stopped for a glass of tea, picked all the pecans up in the yard around 3 trees, and tilled the garden. oh, and picked a few peppers with the last light.
I believe if we were picking teams to work.. I'd be one of the first mules on the yoke. if I'm not working for money, I'm working for food, or learning how to meet our needs without money.
rwc1969
10-13-2009, 09:58 PM
When the SHTF some will work harder, some smarter and yet others will ride on the coat tails of the ones that get er done. That won't change!
Some will be better at hauling, hunting, defending, building, planning, bossing, etc. Some will be better at taking, kaniving, joking, acting, scamming, smooching, brown nosing, etc. That won't change either!
There will be some culling, but it won't be because you can't use a bowdrill.
I think the biggest thing people forget is that when the SHTF basic human ways and social structure, sub-culture won't change. It may re-organize, but it will be basically the same as it is now.
You can work real hard and someone, a group, can come along and take everything you got. They won't need to be able to haul a pack or dig a trench. They will enslave you and make you do it. It doesn't matter if you're a sniper or a booby trap specialist. There will be groups of those kinda people who are very well organized and equipped. They will come, sniff out your booby traps, study your habits, trap and snipe you from all angles. they will control you and extort you unless you have an organized system of defense/ offense.
The people who will fair the best are the ones that are organized in a military/ business fashion with a set social structure. Those will be the wolf packs and everyone else will be the sheep.
It's not gonna be a sole question of ones brawn or abiltiy to survive off the land. It's gonna be a question of organizing, building alliances, making and defending against war, beurocracy, diplomacy, trading, manipulation, etc. Just like it is today!
It may be chaotic to start, but the ones who organize the fastest will be the ones who remain safe and in power, not the ones who can dig a ditch, boil water or build a lean to.
I do and my wife does depend on it.
Oh, you said life, yeh that too.
Got in a little scuffle with a 20' x 6" sch 40 pipe today, bastard gave me a black eye, almost fell off the roof but kept my footing. Okay, I did say some abusive words but I was working by myself so, no matter.
Digging ditches, oh that was last week. I really don't know why I like my job so much? Please someone tell me because I feel old sometimes.
5'10" 200lbs. Was up to 230 when I was a project manager, now I'm lighter and my blood pressure is acceptable.
Face it..............
I'M A GRUNT.............A USMC GRUNT.
BENESSE
10-14-2009, 07:58 AM
When the SHTF some will work harder, some smarter and yet others will ride on the coat tails of the ones that get er done. That won't change!
Some will be better at hauling, hunting, defending, building, planning, bossing, etc. Some will be better at taking, kaniving, joking, acting, scamming, smooching, brown nosing, etc. That won't change either!
There will be some culling, but it won't be because you can't use a bowdrill.
I think the biggest thing people forget is that when the SHTF basic human ways and social structure, sub-culture won't change. It may re-organize, but it will be basically the same as it is now.
You can work real hard and someone, a group, can come along and take everything you got. They won't need to be able to haul a pack or dig a trench. They will enslave you and make you do it. It doesn't matter if you're a sniper or a booby trap specialist. There will be groups of those kinda people who are very well organized and equipped. They will come, sniff out your booby traps, study your habits, trap and snipe you from all angles. they will control you and extort you unless you have an organized system of defense/ offense.
The people who will fair the best are the ones that are organized in a military/ business fashion with a set social structure. Those will be the wolf packs and everyone else will be the sheep.
It's not gonna be a sole question of ones brawn or abiltiy to survive off the land. It's gonna be a question of organizing, building alliances, making and defending against war, beurocracy, diplomacy, trading, manipulation, etc. Just like it is today!
It may be chaotic to start, but the ones who organize the fastest will be the ones who remain safe and in power, not the ones who can dig a ditch, boil water or build a lean to.
rwc, I couldn't agree more on every point!!!
And if there is any doubt, the best predictor of the future is the past.
The basic human MO is not going to change just because we've reached the 21st century. We may know more stuff but we haven't evolved.
crashdive123
10-14-2009, 08:05 AM
Looking back at the OP - I think the question is could YOU do the kind of hard physical labor that it takes. A group - just like in the hunting thread - would make the task easier. I have no illusions about my age and physical condition. If the work didn't kill me, the condition would improve.
One of the things that I have been thinking a lot about lately is my physical condition. While I am active, I am not in the shape that I should be in (yes, I know round is a shape). I will not be able to take care of my family and friends if I can't take care of myself. Time to do something about that.
BENESSE
10-14-2009, 08:31 AM
Looking back at the OP - I think the question is could YOU do the kind of hard physical labor that it takes. A group - just like in the hunting thread - would make the task easier. I have no illusions about my age and physical condition. If the work didn't kill me, the condition would improve.
One of the things that I have been thinking a lot about lately is my physical condition. While I am active, I am not in the shape that I should be in (yes, I know round is a shape). I will not be able to take care of my family and friends if I can't take care of myself. Time to do something about that.
I definitely could, because I wouldn't want to face the alternative?
I don't know anyone who wouldn't at least try.
The question perhaps is, are YOU in the best possible shape you can be (given your age, sex, body shape) to tackle the the kind of work that would be required to survive under brutal conditions?
I've actually asked this before because I think that survival preparedness starts with your own body. No amount of gadgets and wilderness skills are going to help you if you get a heart attack, a stroke or if say, your gums get infected while you are trying to survive TEOTWAWKI.
The reason why everyone isn't in the best physical shape they can be is because it's the hardest thing to get motivated about and sustain.
It requires a different mindset and a change in lifestyle--a change we are going to face in spades if/when TSHTF.
So why not start right now?
You know what it takes.
Winnie
10-14-2009, 10:58 AM
To answer Sourdoughs' original question.... honestly, no.
I know I could work for a time and I know I could work hard... for a time, how long that time would be I really don't know, not long I would guess.
I'm not even going to go into all the scenarios mentioned in this thread because that's all they are, and I'm not psychic.
However, living where I am and knowing what I do, I also know I could get on OK as per my plan for me and Winnie jnr.
rwc1969
10-14-2009, 11:34 AM
I couldn't work physically like I used to, but I could still get er done.
DOGMAN
10-14-2009, 11:58 AM
Could I? Well, I had have to say- Yes. I pretty much "work for survival" daily now, and have for the past decade or longer. I just wonder- how much longer, I can continue to work like this.
I remember a couple of posts I have made in the past year on feeling like I am falling apart in my late 30's. My beard and hair are going grey, I am starting to walk with a hunched back, and I have regular pain in my back, throbbing hands, sore shoulders and a tight neck- daily.
I have to start working smarter.
Ole WV Coot
10-14-2009, 12:10 PM
I don't have a problem and just finished 14yds of concrete, splitting firewood with a maul every day, gotta wire a new double garage. Retired since '96 back is a little stiff & one knee, otherwise I think I do well and folks miss my age by at least 10yrs younger. Bragging?
You best believe it !!
DOGMAN
10-14-2009, 12:41 PM
I don't have a problem and just finished 14yds of concrete, splitting firewood with a maul every day, gotta wire a new double garage. Retired since '96 back is a little stiff & one knee, otherwise I think I do well and folks miss my age by at least 10yrs younger. Bragging?
You best believe it !!
how much recovery time do you need after a hards day work? My dad sounds like you- he still will work really hard. But, then he needs longer to recover then he used to. He can do it....but not day after day, after day. He is 66, and looks 55.
Ole WV Coot
10-14-2009, 07:07 PM
how much recovery time do you need after a hards day work? My dad sounds like you- he still will work really hard. But, then he needs longer to recover then he used to. He can do it....but not day after day, after day. He is 66, and looks 55.
A good meal, good night's sleep & ready to go again. If I don't do anything the next morning it takes all day. I guess some folks can't learn to relax, I get bored if I lay around. It does hurt until I get going and takes me a little longer. The real problem was realizing I'm not 30 anymore and adjusting my pace. My Dad is 87 and does more than he should, still thinks he can still do things he really can't. He has me by a year.
DOGMAN
10-14-2009, 08:42 PM
A good meal, good night's sleep & ready to go again. If I don't do anything the next morning it takes all day. I guess some folks can't learn to relax, I get bored if I lay around. It does hurt until I get going and takes me a little longer. The real problem was realizing I'm not 30 anymore and adjusting my pace. My Dad is 87 and does more than he should, still thinks he can still do things he really can't. He has me by a year.
So are you saying your dad is only one year older than you?
crashdive123
10-14-2009, 08:43 PM
He was a quick starter.
lumpy
10-14-2009, 10:00 PM
:)
You may be right. There might be some that won't be able to "cut the mustard".
In some ways though it won't be too different than starting a new "manual Labor" job. Your muscles that you aren't used to using, will be sore and aching. But the alternative is a pretty darn good motivator. I know I am a little overweight,but in 30 days of the lifestyle you are talking about that will all be burnt off and replaced with a good layer of muscle. It will be almost the same as when I went into the military. I was REALLY out of shape then. A lazy teenager. Now I have at least some more muscle,better discipline,and knowledge that would help me, that I didn't have then.
I think there is a lot of truth in pocomoons. post. I was in very good shape when I reported to basic training,probably top 20%.However,my pt scores never improved while I was there.Most of the out of shape recruites caught up with my level of fitness by graduation.
Now,23 years later, I have developed a nice spare tire around the midsection.It's really just part of my food storage program.
Ole WV Coot
10-15-2009, 08:54 AM
So are you saying your dad is only one year older than you?
Guess my fingers are hitting the wrong keys, meant your Dad is about a year older than me. If he paces himself he will most likely work you into the ground. I might screw up a two car funeral but I do it in style.:blushing:
Judging from the comments of my many bosses over the years, the answer would be no.
Here are some comments from my past appraisals:
1. "Since my last report, this employee has reached rock-bottom and has started to dig."
2. "I would not allow this employee to breed."
3. "This employee is really not so much of a has-been, but more of a definite won't be."
4. "Works well when under constant supervision and cornered like a rat in a trap."
5. "When he opens his mouth, it seems that it is only to change feet."
6. "This young man has delusions of adequacy."
7. "He sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them."
8. "This employee is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot."
9. "This employee should go far, and the sooner he starts the better."
10. "Got a full 6-pack, but lacks the plastic thingy to hold it all together."
I personally would have to say yes as I have both done adminstrative work as well as physical work. My current occupation is maintence for an apartment complex. With my academic skills as well as my technical skills I feel that I would at least be valuable enough to be forced to work and survive. Hopefully I would have been smart and had enough advanced time to fight for my freedom and not be forced to work. I still feel that if I had to feed my family I could.
Sourdough
10-18-2009, 11:02 PM
But could you work hard labor for 16 Hours.......Day after Day after Day.....???? It was not uncommon to load 16 tons of coal by hand or shovel, working 14 to 16 hours per day.
crashdive123
10-18-2009, 11:08 PM
Sourdough - In the 70's I was visiting my roomates parents on the island of Kauai. His grandfather (103 years old) was there. He was Japanese and spoke no English. He had a large bandage on his head. When I asked what had happened my roomate told me that a large goat had head butted him. He retired from the feed store he worked in at the age of 100. He loaded and unloaded 100 lb sacks of rice. He might not have been able to work for 16 hours like that, but I'll bet when he was 90 he could've. Truely an intersting man. I think you would have enjoyed his company.
Sourdough
10-18-2009, 11:13 PM
Crash, I just think when people say sure I could work, that they have NO Idea what hard manual labor is like for 12 hours or 14 hours. As I said in the original post I would fire me, I am worthless as a honest worker.
pocomoonskyeyes
10-18-2009, 11:26 PM
My last job was working 12 hour shifts.I was on one of the most hated lines in the whole factory. At 49 I know that I can still put in a good hard days work. On my days off I would sometimes "break" horses(really train them is a better word)which meant sometimes getting thrown off and having to get right back on,just to get thrown off again. But the sense of accomplishment makes it worth it. Now working in say a coal mine or something like that, I don't think I could.... not because of the amount/type of work,but because of the location.
Sourdough
10-18-2009, 11:35 PM
Hardest work I have ever done day after day is guiding Dall Sheep Hunters from 4:AM till 10:PM. The season is about 30 days long. You burn about 7,000 calories per day. Not the most aweful work, but the most calories spent=the most physical work.
lucznik
10-22-2009, 06:56 PM
This concept may have been addressed already and if so; I apologize.
I make no bones about the fact that I am not a manual laborer. I wasn't built for it (5'6" and 130#s with bad eyes, bad knees, and bad hearing) so; there was no point kidding myself about it. I also had/have little interest in monotonous daily drudgery. I went to school to not have to do that kind of work and I am proud of my accomplishments.
Having said that, I am no stranger to work either. I have spent days throwing hay bales, chopping wood, hauling equipment, fixing vehicles, planting, weeding, and harvesting crops, and otherwise engaging in manual labor. I have never asked anyone to do my share.
If I had to work manual labor, I would. I wouldn't like it, but I would do it. My talents, however, are much more effectively and productively put to use organizing others and designing and implementing efficient work processes. I make no apologies about that. I dare say that the work I do would likely drive many of you plumb out of your minds. But, by sharing the load, we each can do things that we are good at and let others take care of the parts where we lack.
Nicely said, Lucznik. No need to make any apologies what so ever. If everyone were meant to be a trapper there would be no need for trappers.
MKStone3101
10-22-2009, 08:29 PM
I think most would be surprised at just how much real manual labor you could do if you had to . The key there is HAVE to. I worked construction (steel and form carpenter) for 17 years then had a head on collision with an olds delta 88 (1970) and me on my harley. Needless to say I was very messed up for a long time. Broke both legs upper and lower, a hip, both arms, and my shoulder and three vertebreas. I had to learn to walk and stuff and went through a divorce (thats another thread for another time) and it took me about a year and a half to get going again. I went back to work doing the same job for another 5 years, (yes it WAS tough and it hurt but I did it because to me the alternative was to quit) and that I couldnt do. After working for 5 years I was on a job and the scaffolding collapsed and I fell about 45 feet. Again I broke my back (3 verts) and messed up my left leg again. After 2 years of operations and anger I went back to work, this time painting where I dont have to work so high. Dont really want to fall again. Point is,,, if you have to and you want to you can. Even when it hurts like h... I am a father of 5 and I wasnt going to let em do without.
Closest I've got has to be some of the intense combat exercises back in the army. We simulated a week of continuous enemy contact. Max sleep we got per day was 2 hours. If you were lucky You could sleep them in row. Some nights we just didn't sleep. It was early winter. So we weren't yet equipped with skis. There was about knee deep snow. We were constantly sending out patrols. Night with duple sentries. Some days/nights we would march over 40km in deep forests, with simulated wounded soldiers to carry, with full pack of about 40kg of gear. Breaking enemy contact, changing positions, retreating, delaying, trying to cause damage to the enemy. Setting up new base, new foxholes. short fight and then again breaking contact. One day we changed positions for 6 times.
old soldier
10-24-2009, 08:25 AM
I worked as a dairy farmer, truck driver, welder, heavy eq operator and mechanic most of my life, now I cut wood all day and haul some out of the woods with horses plus do a little welding so i can handle most any work even at my age, i sometimes have people in their 40s-50s try to help me now and thry don't last very long.
My grandfather cut railroad ties for a living and hauled the wood out with a horse and wagon or sometimes just a horse. Dad loved to tell the story about being in the woods with him and his grandfather. Dad was about 6 at the time and was sitting in the wagon watching his dad and grandfather cut timber. Something spooked the horse and it took off for the barn with dad bouncing around in the back of the wagon and his father and grandfather in a dead run following up the rear. The horse made it all the way to the barn before they caught up with it. Dad said they were more afraid of his mom finding out what happened than loosing him. He was given stern instructions not to mention the episode to his mom. Men understand the true dangers in life.
Hardest work I have ever done day after day is guiding Dall Sheep Hunters from 4:AM till 10:PM. The season is about 30 days long. You burn about 7,000 calories per day. Not the most aweful work, but the most calories spent=the most physical work.
In my first year of law school, I worked a full time job on a loading dock, a part time job for the town I lived in, and never refused an hour of overtime 'cause I needed the money for books and tuition. My classes ran from 5:00 - 10:00 p.m., followed by a couple of hours in the library and then homework after I got home around 1:00 a.m. My round trip commute was 3 hours a day 4 nights a week. I averaged 2 - 3 hours of sleep on weekdays and 5 hours on weekends.
I ate about 9,000 calories a day and often "ate" a sticky sweet can of sweetened condensed milk (990 calories) at night just so I wouldn't lose weight.
My first final exam (a "composite exam" - 3 questions, one each for three courses counting as your entire grade for each course) was at 8:00 a.m. on January 2, 1980. Wanna' guess how I celebrated the Christmas holidays in 1979?
I've cleaned crap smeared on public restroom walls, shoveled snow 14 hours straight for $5.00 (two-car driveway), cleared lots with an axe, installed and serviced swimming pools, worked full time on a loading dock for three years using a broken-down hand powered pallet jack, and done laborer and construction work.
When I was out of school during the summer, I was grateful to be able to work 80 - 100 hours a week because tuition and books were outrageously expensive, and I graduated without owing a penny in student loans.
While doing this stuff, I also worked on a rescue team, served as director of my local EMA, and trained EMTs, police, and first responders.
When I became a lawyer and worked 60 hours a week as a new associate at a law firm, I felt like I was on vacation.
Yeah, I think I could work if my life depended on it. :innocent:
Sourdough
10-24-2009, 08:31 PM
Just finished the last of the sub-pads and I am done with concrete for this year. I still have too strip the forms at 9:PM tonight and apply some heat as it will be below freezing tonight, and you can not let fresh concrete freeze. "MILLER TIME" Baby (actually all I have is Molson Golden, But with a shot of Blue Agave, it will "Get'er Done"". Tomorrow I'll reward myself with my third hot shower of the year.:)
doug1980
10-24-2009, 08:32 PM
Easy on the hot showers... don't want your body to get used to the finer things. :)
crashdive123
10-24-2009, 08:38 PM
Tomorrow I'll reward myself with my third hot shower of the year.Sounds like you're getting spoiled.
It's really not "could" you work but rather "would" you work. There is a big diff. between the C and the W.
Sourdough
10-24-2009, 08:42 PM
Sounds like you're getting spoiled.
YEP.......:) It is the only HOT & Lathered experience I get......so I have to be careful as I don't need any more addictions.:):):)
Sourdough
10-24-2009, 08:48 PM
Easy on the hot showers... don't want your body to get used to the finer things. :)
Yep....Might even have indoor plumbing by this time next year.........the women will all think I am handsome then...........:):):)
BENESSE
10-24-2009, 08:54 PM
Yep....Might even have indoor plumbing by this time next year.........the women will all think I am handsome then...........:):):)
Who could ask for more?
Matt86
10-24-2009, 08:55 PM
I take odd jobs working in roofing,cement work and farm work while i am going to tech school..alot of times my farm work consist of clearing fence rows (by hand) and then digging the post holes with manual post hole diggers and then acauly putting the strands of wire up to make an electric fence..sometimes we have to round up the rouge cow that has ran off...(im not even going to get into the roofing work and cement work i have done) this may sound hard,especaly in the south georgia summer..BUT when my grandfather was in his prime i bet he would have laughed at the amount of work i got done in a days time.
Nativedude
10-24-2009, 10:49 PM
Sourdough wrote: "Hardcore SHTF Survival will be mostly HARD Manual labor. There won't be much call for sitting on one's A$$ in a cubicle making spreadsheets on a computer. This my single biggest *itch about this forum......People think it will be like going to a football stadium for a week then back to normal. My opinion is if you can't hump a 30 miles per day with a 45 pound pack, everyday straight for 10 days then you ain't in very good shape. I am using that as a standard of fitness, not a statement of what will be required. We are a country of Fat lazy slugs, who "think" or HOPE we can rise to the occasion."
Sourdough has it right. I have seen it time and time again. I get the "wannabes" and "Rambos", whom think that survival is like a trip to their local campground, but when I start with the SHTF digging your heels in and doing real work, like building a wiki-up where the walls are 3 foot thick (for all-season protection) or foraging and harvesting edibles (enough to sustain everyone) or setting 10 -15 deadfalls/snares, I get all of the whiners and complainers coming out of the woodwork. . . .
It's common to hear "we won't ever come to the point in this country where we'll need to worry about building a shelter like this." or, "oh, you're one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks that society is going to crash."
My answer to the latter is: "I could care less if society crashes. I will never know it and I can continue to live life as I am because I do not rely on 'society' to sustain my family. I do it myself!"
I believe that the work I do for daily living is adequate. Not hard, but hard enough to make me sweat. I don't want to kill myself. I didn't come out here to live a short life filled only with work, but I do chop & split approx. 8 - 10 cords of wood, throughout the summer, for the winter. And another 3.5 - 4 for summer time. Generally I buck the spruce into 10 - 12 foot lengths and let them dry for the following season. I have 13 different stands of bucked spruce ready for cutting and splitting into firewood sized pieces.
Not to mention, the meat and fish we smoke, the garden we grow in the summer and have to tend daily. As well as, hauling water, fishing, hunting, making the wood furniture for sale and trade, leather-crafting, canning, etc.
Well, ah, so, MY KNIFE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS.......so there.
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