Opinion's on hunting...

[doug1980]

What is everyone's take on ranch hunting? I ask this because this is an on going discussion on another forum, yes I know, but I thought it was a good topic. I believe that ranch hunting is pretty much the same as a guided hunt. I also believe that baiting game is along the same lines. I guess the real question would be what is the definition of hunting in your mind? Similar to the term survival, I think there can be many definitions.

Let me clarify this is not based on a survival situation. Recreational or sport hunting only.

[trax]

I hunt for food, in the wild, period. (Moose, deer, elk) I don't bait and I don't do canned hunts.

[DOGMAN]

I believe in Fair Chase ethics: http://www.huntfairchase.com/
A ranch hunt is fine, in my eyes, if the animals are wild (not farm-bred) and can leave the ranch at will. A "ranch hunt" of captive animals in my mind is not hunting, its merely killing...or harvesting if you prefer.

[Old GI]

First, I believe we may be talking about two different things. To go out on "sport"' hunt, one should abide by the Fair Catch Rules (the way I was raised). The second is one of survival, there are no rules if it's really on-the -line.

I'll save you the lengthy details of my first lesson, but ..... My first day of hunting like a big boy (around age 12 or so and solo), I shot three pheasants on the farm. I was so proud! A few small glitches, 1) it was the day before the season opened, 2) it was one over the daily limit and 3) I shot them sitting. I caught hell about shooting a game bird sitting (Fair Catch lesson #1). Oh well, I never forgot it.

[DOGMAN]

First, I believe we may be talking about two different things. To go out on "sport"' hunt, one should abide by the Fair Catch Rules (the way I was raised). The second is one of survival, there are no rules if it's really on-the -line.

I'll save you the lengthy details of my first lesson, but ..... My first day of hunting like a big boy (around age 12 or so and solo), I shot three pheasants on the farm. I was so proud! A few small glitches, 1) it was the day before the season opened, 2) it was one over the daily limit and 3) I shot them sitting. I caught hell about shooting a game bird sitting (Fair Catch lesson #1). Oh well, I never forgot it.

Good clarification...

Meat hunting is what my dad called it when I was kid....but, yeah survival hunting is different that "sport" hunting.

[SARKY]

If we are talking about a canned hunt, ie the property/game owners know where the game will be at all times, more or less, because they bait/feed them. Then I consider that a hunt for the lazy, inexperienced, and the big ego/pocketbook with tiny self esteem.
In reality how is that any different than the Bear Grylls episode using a rabbit stick on a staked out rabbit?

[doug1980]

If we are talking about a canned hunt, ie the property/game owners know where the game will be at all times, more or less, because they bait/feed them. Then I consider that a hunt for the lazy, inexperienced, and the big ego/pocketbook with tiny self esteem.

Yup that's my take as well. Would you think bear baiting, like they do up here, is the same thing or different? I believe them to be one in the same.

[trax]

I agree Doug, the number of outfitters in Manitoba that guaranteed their clients a black bear was 67 just in the back of one tourism magazine I read one time. They have to guarantee it because of the amount of money they're charging and they can guarantee it because they spend all spring and summer baiting the bears. Personally, I'm opposed to "sport" hunting, but if that's your thing, well I'm also opposed to judging people. I don't shoot wolves or bears because I don't eat wolves or bears. If it was a kill or be killed scenario, honestly I'd probably be too late anyway, but yeah I'd shoot one to keep myself or loved ones alive, other than that, nope.

[rwc1969]

I think people should go out and hunt their own game without the help of others, fences, bait, etc. The only real thing I have against game ranches, etc. is the inevidable escape of invasive species into the natural wilderness.

In some cases I think it takes the focus off wild hunting too and maybe uses up tax$$ on waht otherwise would be spent on wild game mgmt.

[doug1980]

Well I have to admit that when I got into hunting many years ago it was a sport not really about the meat. Did I eat the meat well yes, no sense in wasting it. I would eat or at least donate any and all meat of any animal I kill, but a part of me still hunts for the sport of it. But I want a challenge at least. I have never baited and don't plan on it. I am not against ranch hunting, to each their own, I just choose not to hunt that way. I enjoy getting out there. I have hunted 7 years since I was able to hunt and only killed 1 deer. Those are horrible odds but each time was fun and I never got discouraged. That's what I call hunting.

[hunter63]

I have hunted 7 years since I was able to hunt and only killed 1 deer. Those are horrible odds but each time was fun and I never got discouraged. That's what I call hunting.

Those aren't really bad odds, about normal, unless you hunt everyday, shoot anything that comes by, use every trick in the book.

Number of deer killed is directly effected by time in the woods, lengths taken to find good spots, no matter how far you have to go, etc.

I too just enjoy being out there, and if I do get a decent deer, that's a bonus.

You won't find me on a canned hunt, unless I win it in a raffle, or some rich guy wants my company.
I call the a canned "shoot", not a "hunt".

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

This is a broad topic. I agree about canned hunts with the majority of you. But I have no problem hunting deer over corn in my state it is legal and deer abound you have to take into consideration your location. Here if we did not hunt as aggressively as we do there would be starvation and disease. I eat all game I take. I hunt and fish utilizing the meat to subsidize my family grocery bill. I do feel that taking a possible shot is the worst thing a sportsman can do. I must have a perfect shot and I often let does and button bucks, even spikes and 4 points walk. But when it is time to put meat in the freezer adult deer are game to me.

[Ole WV Coot]

My personal opinion as a meat hunter trophy class is usually kinda tough. If you really want to hunt, and I use the word loosely on a guaranteed success trip maybe you can even fish a little, probably got a barrel or two stocked with trophy fish.

[Rick]

I try to remember that not everyone is created equal. Some folks can not go out and traipse the hills and valleys to find the perfect spot. If you are bound to a wheel chair or crutches of any type then canned hunts might be the best solution for you. So there is probably a legitimate place for some canned hunts. Others simply don't posses the skill or knowledge to go out and hunt on their own. Hard to deny either group the joy of hunting. I would hope the latter group takes it upon themselves to learn but (shrug).

I have never participated in a canned hunt of any type. I have never baited, either. Whatever I've shot I've eaten and don't plan to change that.

[tipacanoe]

I find the shows that Foxworthy's on in Texas on a ranch where they supply the water and food for the deer in great straight row's, where every shot is a "Great Shot" and Hank Parker and his come-here deer are really boring. I have hunted for a lot of years here in Maine where the deer heard really isn't all that high, but have enjoyed every day of the hunt despite the results, except a day or two when the wind was screaming. There is a lot more to hunting than taking home a trophy, the meat is great, and I wouldn't hunt for it if I wasn't going to eat it. There are an awful lot of states where you never see a TV show go to hunt, and most of those it is hard work. Just my opinion.
Many time's I'll tell people I don't really hunt, just take my gun for a walk.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Looks like I am all alone on this one...but that is fine by me. I have hunted all of my life. This corn is about 60 ft. from my stand and I'll be durn lucky to get a shot all season which is 3 months long. Seems most of you can't even imagine only having 25 ft. of visibility on the ground and deer that have been hunted over corn for probably over 100 yrs.

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[Pict]

Personally I'm not interested. I could care less about hunting a trophy.

I see these exotic game ranches as an agricultural enterprise and I have no problem with it. If a guy figures out he can make more money from his land raising exotic animals for hunters than raising cattle or sheep so be it. How real or canned it is depends on the ranch. If you think about it, shrink wrapped beef is the ultimate in canned hunt. Game ranches are a free market activity and as such should be legal in all fifty states and District of Colombia. I would rather see hunters killing Ibex raised for the purpose than depleting wild populations.

When my dad was getting on in years he had serious mobility problems. He could walk around but not far. We took him to a pheasant farm and I thought it was going to be very artificial. It turned out to be like a regular day pheasant hunting but we got into birds all day. He had a great time and nailed a few birds. The same place sold fresh and frozen pheasants as well. You could shoot a half dozen or buy a half dozen plucked, is there really any difference to the birds? Mac

[FVR]

This is such a deep subject..........and feelings do get hurt.

So, if baiting bears is wrong, is using a guide wrong? If you hunt hogs in a pen and it's considered canned, what about elk out west? Is a fenced in area 1 square mile the same as a 100 square miles?

How about going out back to the 40 and planting special food that enhances a deers body weight and antler size?

How about sitting in a tree with a 300 mag. with a superscope and zooming in on a deer and pulling the trigger 250 maybe 300 yards away?

Hmmmmmmmmmm............alot of wiggle room here.

Personally, the FVR idea is, you don't bait critters, no canned hunts or gauranteed hunts, fences are okay if the critter can jump it, don't hunt specially planted deer fields. As far as guides, what really is a guide? Of course a guide is a person who you pay loads of money so he puts you on the critters........but isn't your buddy doing the same thing when he tells you to use his stand because he's taken a few deer out of it and it's in a prime spot.

Hunting...................is not hunting anymore. It is Bass Pro's version of a sport.......kill the animal that has the biggest antlers, horns, tusks, or body weight. It's not about filling the freezer, but rather a decorative piece in the den. It's about getting your name in a book. It's not hunting but rather harvesting for many.

As I sit here, lamenting if'n I've hurt anyones feelings.....please remember that we are all different. The hunting cycle, I'm at the end of it and haven't really killed many animals. Some have taken hundreds of animals and have not made it out of the first or second cycle.

I hold the law above opinions. If'n you are hunting within the law, even if I don't hunt that way.........it's a go.

I had a discussion with my son this past weekend. He told me that he thought I would be mad. He said that he did not want to hunt and kill animals. He said that he will eat ones that I kill, but he would rather not kill. I told him that that was just fine as we are all in different places. It's not easy to kill even for food. If it is, something is wrong with you.

He then said he knew that I was going to be mad, he told me that he did not want to go in the USMC when he grew up. I hugged him and told him that we both have paths through the woods. I made my path and he has to make his. They will weave in and out, cross, he may take my path for awhile but he will then have to "get off" and make his own.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I just walked about 1/4 mile to the corn pile to put out some more corn with no light and 50lbs. on my back, it is pitch black and foggy. I was undetected up to about 20 ft. from the corn. A large deer blew at me and crashed into the woods. Me and that deer just shared a special moment. With any luck I will find time to sit in the tree this weekend. I was stealth right down to scent away antipersperant the deer may think I was another deer it only moved about 50ft. into the woods. There is a field of about 50 acres of unhunted property next door full of sweet peas. The corn is to get them to cross the irrigation ditch so I can shoot on my own property. Heck my horses din't even know what I was!

[DOGMAN]

On guides...

In a traditional backcountry hunt, guides are more than just the person who knows where the animals are. they are the person who knows the area, and keeps you from getting lost, they are the person who knows the mountains and keep you from falling off a cliff or getting hypothermic, they are the person who knows how to manage the horses, quarter and pack the game, etc...
putting the client on the animals is a small part of the event.

Now, on a ranch hunt, where the guide takes you out in a truck- that is a completly differnt thing...

[FVR]

They are the guys that help those who don't know what they're doing stay alive. They are the guys who do all the work, they cook for you, put up your living quarters, saddle up and pack up the horses, feed the horses, walk and brush the horses, hang the game that's killed in the trees, boil the water for coffee in the morning and give the guy who just messed up a shot that he said he could make, an ego boost.

When the critter is hit, he is the guy who tracks it, finds it, guts it, quarters it, loads it, and packs it out. While the shooter straps the antlers on a pack and takes a picture.

Nothing against guides, but if I'm going into the woods, I'm doing my own damn work. I'm kinda hardheaded like that.

Like being on a site with drillers. You have those env. guys that sit in their trucks and watch and take notes, listen to the radio, and doze. Then there are guys like me, working with the drillers to get the job done.

[DOGMAN]

They are the guys that help those who don't know what they're doing stay alive. They are the guys who do all the work, they cook for you, put up your living quarters, saddle up and pack up the horses, feed the horses, walk and brush the horses, hang the game that's killed in the trees, boil the water for coffee in the morning and give the guy who just messed up a shot that he said he could make, an ego boost.

When the critter is hit, he is the guy who tracks it, finds it, guts it, quarters it, loads it, and packs it out. While the shooter straps the antlers on a pack and takes a picture.

Nothing against guides, but if I'm going into the woods, I'm doing my own damn work. I'm kinda hardheaded like that.

Like being on a site with drillers. You have those env. guys that sit in their trucks and watch and take notes, listen to the radio, and doze. Then there are guys like me, working with the drillers to get the job done.

I'm with ya...one thing I'll say though. over the years, i had alot of clients that would have had alot of troubles in the wilderness areas on their own.

But I always had a few awesome clients, guys I'd actually hang-out with, that came on hunts simply because they didnt have horses, or horse skills, and they wanted that horse-packing hunt experience. Some of my favorite clients came back every year- just to hunt in the same area, and get to know it. Some of these guys didnt even really need guiding...they just needed a horse and camp tender.
But for every one of those guys, there where 3 or 4 clueless folks.

[panch0]

I've done both types of hunting. The canned one I did when I was 23yrs old. I shot a Fallow buck with my bow out of a stand. I got it through the heart and lungs. I was proud pf myself. When we went back to camp with the guide the dang fallows were coming up to the truck looking for the corn they feed them. I felt bad, like I shot someones pet. Ever since then I will only go if it is a fair chase. Down here in south Texas the deer are few and far between. At least around my area. I had a lease that was 100 acres but was surrounded by miles of 4ft fences that can easily be jumped by a deer. There were deer trails between the bedding area and a source of water. We were right smack dab in the middle. I shot my last deer there 5 yrs ago. Hopefully this year I can trade a chance to shoot a doe for a nice knife or something. I really love deer-pork sausage.

[crashdive123]

I shot my last deer there 65 yrs ago. Hopefully this year I can trade a chance to shoot a doe for a nice knife or something. I really love deer-pork sausage.That puts you at about 88 years old. I've seen your picture - you age well.:lol:

[FVR]

The Hunt..........I really don't even know what it is anymore.

Bow deer has been in over a month and I've yet to go. I built two bows just to hunt this year and I just don't have the passion.

I took down the Lancaster 45 and ventured out for squirrels, critters are too small to shoot, not much meat.

Muzzleloading season starts this sat. morning, you will find me at the soccer field with the kids, then to HDepot to verify carpet and padding, then out for lunch and back home to cut the grass, hang a new kitchen light, repair the two auto lights outside, etc.

Now, I am cooking up a mess of deer meat. Last week, two sets of backstraps wrapped in bacon on the grill. I can't cook them fast enough for my daughter to eat them. Week before that, deer stew, cajun style. I think she left me a little bit.

My real "want" is small game season. I hunt public land across the street. Deer season means all the bozo's come into the woods, but small game. Gates are all closed so to get back there, ya have to hike. Most don't want to hike.

Start at Stamp Creek, slowly walk up for a few miles. If'n you are lucky, you will walk up on some hogs, squirrels (bit larger by then), rabbit, beaver, or you can just find a nice hole and catch a trout.

You can back off into the thickets, make a little fire with dry wood to cut down on the smoke. Sit upwind, pull out the tin cup and fill with water for tea or beef buillon. Rip off a piece of jerky, pull out a chunk of bread and just sit and listen to the woods.

My luck, I usually see a few deer, no bother.

Yeh, I can't wait for mid November.

[panch0]

That puts you at about 88 years old. I've seen your picture - you age well.:lol:

Man crash you are quick! I went back when I looked it over and changed it. It was my fat fingers again. Hehehe...

[Winnie]

Over here "canned" hunting is pretty much all thats available, unless you have your own land or permission from a landowner to shoot. The laws regulating guns and hunting/shooting are pretty restrictive and just about all land is owned by someone.
Personally, the only thing I've ever shot for sport are clays. I can't say as I'm impressesd by anyone who trophy hunts, filling the freezer is another matter and I see no problem with that. I've never hunted for sport and I have a problem with shooting an animal just because you can. Just my opinion.

[canid]

are you hunting, or are you getting meat?

if you're paying more than the meat would cost for sake of the experience, i would suggest sport hunting. if you are doing so for a ranch hunt, honestly; i think winco would be cheaper.

if you consider hunting a personal challenge, challenge yourself. if getting meat is a logistical reality of your lifestyle, do what works [within he bounds of the law i should hope].

of course, some people just like their vennison, and will take whatever road leads them to it. i guess i can't knock that too terribly much, it's good stuff.

pardon my inebriation.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I want to stress hunting over corn is perfectly legal in SC please search SCDNR if you have doubts. You guys see my corn pile and think your taking a higher road. I disagree, my hunt started last January when I bought this property. I cut trails in the woods and kept them cleared all summer. I left the woods on my place rather than clearing as is the norm surrounding my place I have provided a safehaven for critters all year. That clearing you see my corn in was not there I cleared it. I have hunted public land and I can assure you it took little effort compared to what I have done this year. I am 36 and have taken 4 deer in my life. I fed more than that this summer. Again I say to you when you cannot see past 20ft. in the woods options are limited. That is why it is also legal to run dogs for deer in SC. I will also say living right beside an AF base, public land is unsafe for me to hunt. Can you imagine getting in the woods before sun up only to look down and see some rubberhead climbing the tree beside you at sun up? I am not judging you guys ideal of hunting it is mine too. But not here. I think you would all either hunt elsewhere in the state or do as the rest of SC lowlands and hunt according to our laws that have helped wildlife to flourish in our state.

[Winnie]

I want to stress hunting over corn is perfectly legal in SC please search SCDNR if you have doubts. You guys see my corn pile and think your taking a higher road. I disagree, my hunt started last January when I bought this property. I cut trails in the woods and kept them cleared all summer. I left the woods on my place rather than clearing as is the norm surrounding my place I have provided a safehaven for critters all year. That clearing you see my corn in was not there I cleared it. I have hunted public land and I can assure you it took little effort compared to what I have done this year. I am 36 and have taken 4 deer in my life. I fed more than that this summer. Again I say to you when you cannot see past 20ft. in the woods options are limited. That is why it is also legal to run dogs for deer in SC. I will also say living right beside an AF base, public land is unsafe for me to hunt. Can you imagine getting in the woods before sun up only to look down and see some rubberhead climbing the tree beside you at sun up? I am not judging you guys ideal of hunting it is mine too. But not here. I think you would all either hunt elsewhere in the state or do as the rest of SC lowlands and hunt according to our laws that have helped wildlife to flourish in our state.

CS from what I know of you, I certainly wouldn't consider your way of hunting to be unsporting(hate the word but can't think of another) You shoot for the pot, I wish I could, but I can't. You don't go out blasting away at anything that moves and killing for the he$$ of it. I see no problem with what you do. As you say, you've enouraged wildlife onto your property and in a small way made a reserve for them. That's to be commended. Just sayin'

[Rick]

I don't think anyone challenged you, CS.

[crashdive123]

I agree with Rick CS - nobody was challenging what you are doing.

The next comments are about this thread in general, and not a particular post.

I've expressed it before - and have caused some to get upset (don't know why, since it's just an opinion) - I disagree with trophy hunting. I've never said that it should not be allowed, or that somebody shouldn't do it - just that I disagree with it. Hunting for folks takes many different forms, and I will not pass judgement on it. I may disagree (as I said with trophy hunting), but that's it. Canned hunts have their place. I know it's probably not the majority of participants, but as was said, it may be the only opportunity for some (handicapped, elderly, etc.) to participate in hunting. Hunting for putting food on the table is why some hunt. Use of the hides and other parts of the animal for items (clothing, tools, etc.) is another reason some hunt. Making a living - selling hides, and other parts is why some hunt. Providing food to needy folks is why some hunt. Because it has been a way of life since early childhood is why some hunt. These are all valid reasons for hunting - some I agree with, some I do not. That's OK, I'm sure I do things that folks disagree with as well.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I never fealt challenged by anyone here. I am just making a point that hunting conditions vary dependant upon the area you live. I have lived and hunted all over the US with the exception of Northern states. It would be a bit ridiculous to bait deer in most area's and that is why it is not legal in most states. My point is some terrains warrant the tactic and in those situations it is fair chase. Several said they would never hunt over bait and that is fine I am just sayin' that all hunting situations aren't equal. Deer here are fully aware of the danger at a corn pile you have to be very stealth to be within 50ft. of a couple of does feeding in the corn pile waiting for a buck to come. Here deer know they are out of their element and are extremely cautious. In fact I find it much more challenging than shooting over 100 yds. at an animal that has no idea of the danger.

[Pict]

In many areas of the country the wild game population is a direct result of agriculture. Here in PA we are overloaded with deer. Suburbia, woodlots, and small scale farming is prime habitat for white tails. We have created conditions in which they thrive in unnatural numbers. People around here don't get that.

Hunting over bait is illegal in PA, as is hunting deer with dogs. I don't have a problem with people doing that in states where it is legal. In Brazil they used to hunt deer from horseback with dogs. That sounds unsporting but the reality is that deer will hunker down in such dense thickets that you will never see them. They flush them with the dogs and try to get into position on horseback.

Using attractants is an age old tactic no different than hunting geese over decoys or saltwater fishing in a slick of chum. Is it fair to hunt crows with an owl decoy?

Mac

[DOGMAN]

Using attractants is an age old tactic no different than hunting geese over decoys or saltwater fishing in a slick of chum. Is it fair to hunt crows with an owl decoy?

Thats how I feel as well. In some areas, there is no option but to hunt over bait- otherwise the game would never come on to the property that your allowed to hunt on.

I see it as a necessary thing in some states. However, hunting over "bait stations" for bears, or over packed-in salt licks for elk on public lands is unsporting and just lazy.

Canned hunts for the handicap- I still don't agree with. There are lots of ways that handicapped people can still hunt wild animals- there is no reason that they have to kill captive animals....just my opinion.

Trophy Hunting- in its purest sense, doesn't bother me- because it is really challenging and few animals are harvested. However, what the majority of people think of as trophy hunting- I don't really care for.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

CS I'm with you. I grew up hunting in stuff that was so thick that if you heard a Rattler you had better stop to see where it is. Growing up I could not understand why people needed their rifles to hunt unless it was squirrel or rabbit,using a .22. The range of most shots were around 20 - 30 yds.... with a shotgun, using buckshot. After traveling some I can see that most people would consider the places I grew up hunting in as Un-huntable (is that a word?) I have gone into the woods with folks from other places that were ready to head home after 50 yds. - too thick they would say. Why aren't we using a machete, etc.
As far as a Trophy goes... If you are lucky enough to even see one while hunting "normally" by all means go ahead, Harvest the best you can. I have no problem with that...Providing it is done legally.
No offense to the guides here, but if I can Hunt somewhere without using a Guide, SAFELY and Legally, I probably won't use a guide period. If it would be just plain stupid to hunt without a guide, or is required by law, then I will. If I have to use a guide to have access to a hunting area I will use a guide then as well. If it is an animal that is a real threat or dangerous I will use a guide (I.E. Moose and Bear come to mind).
Also IF I happen to harvest an animal I will keep and use as much of the animal as is possible for me to use,including hide, hooves, and Horns or antlers. If their is a Cut of meat that I don't need or want, I will give it to someone who will use it and maybe can't hunt.
As for bear... I say go for it. It is one of the few "Game animals" that can hunt you, when you hunt it. Bear meat is some of the best tasting meat that I have ever tasted, better than beef, venison,rabbit or squirrel for sure.IMO.
I do not advocate hunting Illegally, Except in cases of dire need.

[panch0]

South Texas is super thick brush. I was bow hunting and a buck was grunting no further than 30' from us while bow hunting. We called and rattled it in. He hung around for 15 minutes until my cousins arrow fell off the nock and all you heard was his antlers crashing through the brush. We never even saw it. Thowing out a little corn is not bad. The hunt I went to where I killed a pet was bad and I will never do that again. They had a feeder where all sorts of exotics go to eat. I killed him in his own kitchen. Setting up a feeder in an area they pass by will just get wild game to go your way. I mean what is the difference in whistling for them to stop crossing the dirt road and putting corn out to make them stop and let you get that shot off. None. When I go hog hunting Ill throw a bucket of it in the sendero or road they are passing through anyways. There is a very little amount of time it takes them to cross and then they disappear. There aint nothing wrong with that. The Natives Americans where the ones that came up with alot of the hunting teqniques were use today. Such as anler rattling , calling, grunting, etc.... I am sure they threw a few corn cobs out there to gain an advantage.

[Pict]

It wasn't, honest, but I know a guy here in PA that would rub an apple up and down the tree he was bow hunting out of. Once the apple as totally ground in it was no longer considered bait. He claimed to have great success with this.

Sport hunting and collecting trophies aside I have no compunction about using the most unsporting means to feed myself in a survival situation. If that means running a trotline, snaring deer, or setting up a squirrel pole with some MRE peanut butter then that's what I'm going to do. If it comes down to me going hungry or pulling someone's labradoodle out of a punji pit, keep your dog at home. Mac

[doug1980]

Well my dad used peanut butter as bait for deer. Of course back then i didn't know any different. He also killed to bucks at side by side in one day as well. Not exactly legal. I guess as long as it's legal then it's ok with me. And there is no law against trophy hunting. But when I say trophy hunting I mean I will pass on a smaller buck if I know there is a nice 8 point around in that area. I almost had my trophy buck a few years ago but missed my opportunity. I passed on a little 4 pointer on 3 different days and ended the season empty handed. You could even look at it as letting the younger stronger bucks go to kill of the older bucks. That to me is trophy hunting....is it wrong?

[panch0]

Well my dad used peanut butter as bait for deer. Of course back then i didn't know any different. He also killed to bucks at side by side in one day as well. Not exactly legal. I guess as long as it's legal then it's ok with me. And there is no law against trophy hunting. But when I say trophy hunting I mean I will pass on a smaller buck if I know there is a nice 8 point around in that area. I almost had my trophy buck a few years ago but missed my opportunity. I passed on a little 4 pointer on 3 different days and ended the season empty handed. You could even look at it as letting the younger stronger bucks go to kill of the older bucks. That to me is trophy hunting....is it wrong?

I don't see it as wrong unless one was to just take the head and leave the rest to rot in the woods.

[Rick]

Honestly, I don't know about any of that stuff. Right/Wrong. Bait or not. All I know is when I hunt I get to spend time outdoors, I often get to view a lot of wildlife that I'm not hunting for and, occasionally, I'm rewarded with something good to eat. I will always be thankful for the animal and give it the respect it deserves. As far as I know, that was part of the original plan.

[2dumb2kwit]

Honestly, I don't know about any of that stuff. Right/Wrong. Bait or not. All I know is when I hunt I get to spend time outdoors, I often get to view a lot of wildlife that I'm not hunting for and, occasionally, I'm rewarded with something good to eat. I will always be thankful for the animal and give it the respect it deserves. As far as I know, that was part of the original plan.

+1
(That has to be the shortest post, I've ever made.)

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Well my dad used peanut butter as bait for deer. Of course back then i didn't know any different. He also killed to bucks at side by side in one day as well. Not exactly legal. I guess as long as it's legal then it's ok with me. And there is no law against trophy hunting. But when I say trophy hunting I mean I will pass on a smaller buck if I know there is a nice 8 point around in that area. I almost had my trophy buck a few years ago but missed my opportunity. I passed on a little 4 pointer on 3 different days and ended the season empty handed. You could even look at it as letting the younger stronger bucks go to kill of the older bucks. That to me is trophy hunting....is it wrong?
Doug that sounds like "Game Management" to me.Killing the animals that are for the benefit of the Herd's health. It is not based on sex,size,or any Criteria except what is best for the survival of the herd. In Germany, when you go Deer hunting,you go with the Game Warden- the JaegerMeister or "HuntMaster". You shoot whichever Deer HE tells you to shoot...or lose your hunting privileges, and pay fines!!Oh, and the deer.

Honestly, I don't know about any of that stuff. Right/Wrong. Bait or not. All I know is when I hunt I get to spend time outdoors, I often get to view a lot of wildlife that I'm not hunting for and, occasionally, I'm rewarded with something good to eat. I will always be thankful for the animal and give it the respect it deserves. As far as I know, that was part of the original plan.
Rick it sounds as if you have learned from the old Native American ways. being thankful for the sacrifice of the animal to help you in life.

[DOGMAN]

Well my dad used peanut butter as bait for deer. Of course back then i didn't know any different. He also killed to bucks at side by side in one day as well. Not exactly legal. I guess as long as it's legal then it's ok with me. And there is no law against trophy hunting. But when I say trophy hunting I mean I will pass on a smaller buck if I know there is a nice 8 point around in that area. I almost had my trophy buck a few years ago but missed my opportunity. I passed on a little 4 pointer on 3 different days and ended the season empty handed. You could even look at it as letting the younger stronger bucks go to kill of the older bucks. That to me is trophy hunting....is it wrong?

To me, "trophy hunting" is setting out after a Boone or Crockett, or Pope and Young class specimen. If you are a trophy hunter in the classic sense- you will not kill something that does not make the record book. So, this means you might have to spend years in the field without making a kill, because only a small percentage of all animals ever reach "trophy class" Trophy hunters have to show incredible restraint...because there are lots of bulls and bucks that would make great wall hangers, but, yet aren't quite trophy class.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

So let me ask....How many of you have been "bloodied up" here it is a passage to manhood, you know nuts around your neck and all? LOL

[DOGMAN]

So let me ask....How many of you have been "bloodied up" here it is a passage to manhood, you know nuts around your neck and all? LOL

We'll I had blood stripes smeared on my face, and I took a bite out of the fresh, raw heart, but I didnt wear a testicle necklace... I havent seen that- tell me more!

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

I only had the face paint as well but it really is a southern tradition to wear the necklace!

[Rick]

Uh, no. No war paint and none of the other stuff, either.

[2dumb2kwit]

Hey....maybe that's why Ken is the way he is, about squirrels. Maybe he was told that if he ever hunted them, that the first time he killed one, he'd have to wear it's....we'll you know! Maybe he's just homo-squirrel-ophobic! LOL:smash::smash::innocent:

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Hey....maybe that's why Ken is the way he is, about squirrels. Maybe he was told that if he ever hunted them, that the first time he killed one, he'd have to wear it's....we'll you know! Maybe he's just homo-squirrel-ophobic! LOL:smash::smash::innocent:

Hey!! No bashing Ken Behind his Back!!


Yes and No. Yes, I have been blooded,but no, no "Necklace"... Instead where I'm from the shirt-tail was cut off. That was supposed to symbolize that you weren't a "Shirt-tail Brat" anymore, I guess.

[panch0]

We used to take guys up on top of the pyramid and take the old flint knife and.... Oh wait wrong forum...

[rwc1969]

... I know a guy here in PA that would rub an apple up and down the tree he was bow hunting out of. Once the apple as totally ground in it was no longer considered bait. He claimed to have great success with this.....Mac

That's funny! I was given a granny smith before hunting one year. I took a couple bites in the stand and it was so bitter I rubbed it all over my hunting outfit. later that evening I saw more deer than ever before. I didn't wash my hunting clothes and the next time I went out it still smelled like apples. The biggest buck of my life walked right up under the tree i was hunting and made a rub. he was sniffin the whole way right up to me.

I was in such awe that I forgot I was hunting and let him walk away the way he came.

BTW! I just re-read my first post and it sounds like I'm an anti bait, anti-guide/ game ranch guy. I am somewhat against game ranches due to the previous reason mentioned, but if a person uses bait or a guide it's not a problem for me.

I just don't like these guys that go out and hunt in a closed area, over a bait pile that is at a predetermined range, food plots and minerals/ supplements to make the deer grow huge bodies and racks, then they shoot one that is known by name and claim it as a trophy.

A trophy to me is a deer that "I" got in touch with. One that I learned the habits of. One that has eluded me many times and I finally got the upper hand, caught it when it's guard was down.

If someone is hunting for food on a ranch that's fine, just don't call it a trophy.

:cool2:

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