first aid - primitive / wilderness preparation

[your_comforting_company]

It occured to me while cleaning trails that we might need some medical attention from time to time in the woods. My dad and I were hacking away at a trail when the machete glanced off a limb and sliced a real nice gash in my shin. It looked like it went to the bone and simply refused to stop bleeding. I realized then that my remedy knowledge is very limited so I thought I'd start a thread regarding wilderness medical treatment.

we broke a couple pine tree limbs trying to get sap, but either it is the wrong time of year and the sap is going down, or the wrong time of the month and the sap is decreasing like the moon. Our intentions was to cover the wound with sap, let it dry like 'liquid skin band-aid' and finish making the trails. No sap, and spider webs would not hold it together. no yucca's around this place for stitches either... we tied the wound up with flagging tape and the top part of my sock and carried on.

I will try to keep editing this post to keep the info up top. what do you use in primitive/wilderness situations when '$h!+ happens'?

Improvised kit: 1 gallon buckets (like lard or sheetrock mud) left on the trail packed with gauze, medical tape, alcohol swabs, band-aids, salve, tournicate materials, emergency blanket, firestarting supplies, and snack bars. (did I leave anything out?)

stitches / bandage : clothing strips folded and tied. human or animal hair for stitches (still need a needle, any ideas?)
Moss to pack a wound, and sutures of a sort from split sticks and twine to hold them closed (sort of like tweezers)
Milkweed sap and seedpod silk. cattail fluff, cottonwood fluff.
spider bites
Minor snake bites : There is no substitute for medical treatment for rattlesnake, moccasin, and coral bites! seek medical attention IMMEDIATELY. for minor snakes, a poultice of cypress vine.
red bugs
headache / pain relief : inner willow bark is what aspirin is derived from. Highbush cranberry bark, lousewort
astringent / coagulant : (stops bleeding) most oak and willow inner barks. spider webs; Pipsissewa tea, Heal-All tea,
Coneflower tea, Common Juniper tea, Yarrow, shepherds purse. Alumroot, Bistort, cranesbill geranium, false solomons seal, Henbit leaf tea, periwinkle, wild mustard seed poultice (black and field mustards). Common Plantain
antiseptic : red oak, white oak, and most all willows inner bark is considered antiseptic; Sweetgum gum and bark; Common Plantain is antiseptic and antimicrobial. Milkweed sap. coneflower root or leaf tea
Sprains / Breaks : splints fashioned out of sticks, cordage from clothing, roots, vines, laces, etc.
rotten / infected skin : Maggots applied to the area
Poison / rashes / insect bites/stings : jewelweed, Alpine smartweed(s), Lady's Thumb, Milkweed sap, coneflower leaf or root tea
MINOR burns : balsam fir, porslid's white spruce
Mouth sores / sore throat : Birch Betula bark tea
Upset Stomach : Beebalm Monarda spp.
anything else you can think of that one might need.

sure, anybody can reach in their pack and pull out a first aid kit if you have one but we didn't and needed one. sometimes you gotta make due till you can get out.
I still haven't been to get stitches, btw, and the spiderweb seemed to be antiseptic enough that I dont have any infection. thanks for the info on that shadow!

[crashdive123]

sure, anybody can reach in their pack and pull out a first aid kit if you have one but we didn't and needed one. sometimes you gotta make due till you can get out.That's the whole point to being prepared. While I agree that knowing what is available in nature is valuable information, I also believe that being prepared is important. Good thread. Sprains and breaks are probably fairly common. If you don't have the materials with you, being able to fashion splints and cordage is important. Splints are relatively easy. Cordage from clothing, belt, shoe laces, vines, roots, etc.

[Rick]

There are two things that should go into the field with you each and every time. 1). A well equipped first aid kit and the 2). the knowledge of how to use it. There are certainly a lot of wilderness remedies that you can use and it IS worthwhile to know what they are but a serious injury, even when someone else is with your, can put your life in danger if you don't have a quality first aid kit. AND, there are injuries that no wilderness remedies will help with. I don't care how much boot time you have, those two items are a MUST in my book.

[your_comforting_company]

too right. Our biggest thing was getting the trail cleared. all we took in with us were the implements of destruction for hacking our way through the dense undergrowth. it was easily a 30 minute walk back out of the woods to the truck. now, I know I wouldn't have bled to death in 30 minutes, and we did have a kit back at the truck but at the time it seemed unreasonable to bleed all over everything if there had been something handy to use in the meantime.
that is my purpose for this thread. what to do when you find yourself unprepared.
you can't be prepared for everything all the time, so sometimes you gotta improvise.

[Rick]

Compression bandage made from anything available. Bandanna (everyone carries one of those, right?), handkerchief. Strips of cloth from your T-shirt. Tear your underwear into strips of cloth (clean side against the wound. Did I need to say that?). Know how to tie a compression bandage.

[wareagle69]

is this property that you were clearing yours?is it relativley safe from tresspassers? safe to stash something? i know on my property i have three deer stands set up and with them i have placed 5 gal buckets of things that i might need or am expeimenting with or if i had to bug quickly and could not grab my bag from home my discreetly placed buckets there and elsewhere would help a bunch
Now i have found so far only two reasons for first aid in the bush, cuts being number one and next would be burns, i don't really carry much in my packs when it comes to first aid there is much to be improvised in the field but for cuts and burns i do have a very small spot in my pack for some quick remedy. other than that i look at the law of probability how often do i need something vs actually carrying it. but it is a reason i do have my stash buckets around

[your_comforting_company]

The property belongs to one of my dad's coworkers. As far as we could tell, the people who check the fields don't go into the woods (and probably with good reason) and I'd bet it is/was because of the thickness of the woods around the creek. Keep in mind this is the back side of a field so when it rains the water comes way up. There's not much in the way of stand hunting back there and the bucket is going to be the stand, the problem with this is that the rains will probably wash it away if it's not nailed down. I'd have to leave the bucket back up the hill quite a bit for any long term 'stash' which will basically make it inaccessible from my hunting position.
This is still a great idea and I will be leaving some 1 gallon mud buckets with first aid at least at the entrance to the wooded trail.
This is a good idea for anyone hunting and I will include this at the top. Thanks again WE. helpful info as always!

[Rick]

If no one goes back there why not hang it in a tree to keep the water away from it?

[your_comforting_company]

got tree kits ready to go.

was doing some reading on various trees around the house and added stuff about astringency and antiseptic first aid.
thanks for the inputs guys.

[Ponce]

To stop a bleeding use spider webs.....it works.

To get rid of rotten skin get hold of some maggots and they will eat the rotten flesh....

[your_comforting_company]

Thanks Ponce!

[your_comforting_company]

added "hair" info from another thread.

this is slowly building into a wilderness kit. thanks for the inputs everyone!

[chiangmaimav]

My wife spent most of her life in the jungle and often far from any medical facility and even if there was one nearby her family had no money. Consequently whenever there is any kind of medical problem whether it is an injury, insect bite or illness, she always manges to find some plant or herb which seems to be effective treatment. Most of these plants are indigenous to Asia and besides she only knows Thai names so I cannot even research this on internet but I am learning about the medicinal properties of local plants by sight even though I do not know what to call them in English. After I suffered herniated disk I took all kinds of prescription medications which did little except make me sick. Wife gave me some homemade root tea which tasted awful but it took pain away. She says, "My family rice farmers long long time. Know all about pain in back." I suppose this makes sense. I am not claiming however that homemade medicine is superior to modern medicine in any way. I work on local mountain rescue team and they definitely use modern medical techniques not homemade remedies.If I were seriously ill I would definitely want to be in modern hospital and so would the Thai people. I am just saying there is a lot of value in traditional and herbal medicine also.

[Rick]

I couldn't agree more. For me, where the rub comes in, is knowing which ones truly work vs. which ones might cause harm. I think modern science is learning there is value in some (many?) traditional forms of medicine and they are debunking some long held myths.

[rwc1969]

Much of our modern medicine comes from folk/ indigenous medicine. They just don't tell you that cuz it would cut their profits.

[Rick]

I don't buy into that at all. There are way too many synthetic medications for that to be the case. Some surely do but most do not.

[rwc1969]

Many of our synthetic medicines were derived from natural sources. The reason it's synthetic is so that it can be patentable and get FDA approval. It's kinda hard to patent jewelweed, but to patent cortizone is much easier, especially when it's mixed with certain percentage of inert ingredients.

I don't think you can easily get a patent on willow bark, but you can get a patent on salycilic acid when it's mixed with a certain percentage of inert ingredients.

Drug companies are doing research on a variety of shrooms. The main thing preventing these shrooms from being used mainstream is the inability to patent the product. You can't easily patent a mushrooom, or get FDA approval, there are too many variables that can't be measured. But, you can patent the individual ingredients that make that mushroom medicinal when combined in a certain fashion.

"They" are now realizing that it's not necessarily the individual ingredients that are beneficial, rather the shroom as a whole. Until they find a way to synthesize the combination of ingredients that make up a shroom we won't be using them as cures in mainstream medicine. There's no profit in a non-patentable product that can't get FDA approval.

Scientists are starting to realize the reason many of these modern medicines have such harmful side effects is because they have been broken down into individual compounds. When the plant, shroom, or whatever is whole it has no where near as many bad side effects.

There's alot of good info on the net about natural medicine and such. much of which has the backing of scientists and such. Not just hokey pokey folk medicine ramblings.

[Rick]

I do buy your explanation and appreciate you posting it. I do agree with that take on it. Thanks!!

[wildWoman]

astringent / coagulant : (stops bleeding) most oak and willow inner barks. spider webs; Pipsissewa tea, Heal-All tea,
Coneflower tea, Common Juniper tea

Yarrow and shepherd's purse are two very common plants that help stop bleeding. Apply mashed leaves to the wound or take as tea for internal bleeding (and then get to the closest ER very quick if it's an internal leak!).

Highbush cranberry bark and lousewort (Pedicularis ssp) are excellent muscle relaxants which can be used in combination with willow bark against pain - usually, your body cramps up somewhat when in pain and combining the muscle relaxants with the pain killer gets you a much better result than using only the pain killer.

[your_comforting_company]

I missed WW's post. it was forever ago, but I got it added to the list.

I found another natural remedy for sore muscles and achy joints.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrEgrX7BRek

[Winnie]

Do you have a national horticultural society? Over her the RHS(Royal Horticultural Society) produces many horticultural books, including one on a herbal remedies. I doubt this particular book would be of much use to you guys because of the difference in indigenous plants, but it might be an avenue worth exploring.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

I know that Sundew has some antibiotic properties, but I have no idea how that would be made. Perhaps if it's an area you know you will be going to fairly often you could "Score" some of the pines in the area, so as to have a supply of sap on hand always.

[aflineman]

Edited to keep with the spirit that your_comforting_company intended this thread to be.

I have used natural items in some first aid situations. Moss to pack a wound, and sutures of a sort from split sticks and twine to hold them closed (sort of like tweezers). Never got those to work if you have to move much, but if you can stay still they can work.

[Sarge47]

Hook up with the Boy Scouts; they learn 1st Aid early on! Go to your local Red Cross & take both a course on 1st Aid & one on CPR! carry 4 bandanas, a couple of large trash bags, 550 cord, a 1st Aid kit with a 1st Aid book...oh, & learn how to handle a machete...I think Owl Girl can help you out there.

:innocent: :sneaky2: :cool2:

[crashdive123]

from the link that Aflineman provided: Disposable Body Stapler Kit So, what's disposable??? The body or the stapler???

[your_comforting_company]

nevermind.. I'll just keep my mouth shut...

[Rick]

Yeah, right. Like that's ever stopped us.

[your_comforting_company]

well... Rick prompted me to not keep my mouth shut so...to put it simply and straightforward, not intending to p.o. anyone..

this was meant to be "things you can find in the woods to use for first aid".
I've never found a stapler in the woods. the whole idea behind the thread is that you can't be prepared for everything all the time and knowledge of what you can use when you don't have all those gadgets and gizmos and kits and bags on your back.

certainly I know how to use a machete. sometimes accidents happen, or is it just me that has "$htuff happen"? that was pretty insulting.. learn how to use a machete.. ha! learn to read the posts.. never found 550 cord in the woods either. and if the rest of the thread had been read, you'd know that I have since stored first aid kits at the hunting locations we cleared.

my kids are in the scouts. scouts doesn't teach squat about first aid or much of anything else. I'm the one around here doing the most of the teaching useful things to the scouts. all they do around here is make macaroni picture frames and coloring pages.

so.. if I make folks mad or whatever or this post needs to be deleted, feel free mods to delete the post. This wasn't intended to be "instructions so ycc doesn't hurt himself" it was meant to be a collection of information that might help others who find themselves in any similar situation with any minor injury to be able to use what's at hand IN THE WOODS to get their condition stabilized. somehow it's gotten off topic and somehow along the way I'm suddenly an idiot savant with a machete.. come on gang.. we can do better than this.

the goat tears post was just me being funny. perhaps I should have just left this thread in the back of the closet.. forgotten and lost amongst multitudes of posts.

Rick, If I'm out of line, delete the post please.

[crashdive123]

Nothing wrong with the post at all YCC. Just sounds like you're trying to get it back on track. Kind of like herding cats with this crowd (me included), but a good effort none the less.

[Sarge47]

Didn't mean to rankle, however I go along with Crash on "being prepared." & the remark about handling the machete was: "tongue-in-cheek." A couple years back Owl Girl was talking about the one she carries...er, sumptin' like that. Remember; "Chance favors the prepared mind." Also, sounds like your local Scout troop can use some 1st aid classes. Remember when the tornado hit that Scout camp? Primitive methods would be inadaquate in that type of situation. :cool2:

[your_comforting_company]

Remember; "Chance favors the prepared mind."

Also, sounds like your local Scout troop can use some 1st aid classes.

Remember when the tornado hit that Scout camp? Primitive methods would be inadaquate in that type of situation. :cool2:

knowledge prepares the mind.

our local troop could use lots of things besides just first aid classes.. thats another discussion.

while primitive methods would be inadequate for such a catastrophe, the aim was for day to day purposes. our ancestors lived on this land without hospitals and modern medicine for aeons. I'm sure they suffered all sorts of tornados and hurricanes and earthquakes and volcanoes without modern first aid kits. And I'm sure many survived. What did they use?

[rwc1969]

I wish I could offer more help YCC, but I'm still learning.

I do know from family experience, previosly mentioned, that the sap of the common milkweed plant, Asclepias syriaca, can be used as an excellent dressing for wounds. It has a glue like latex consistency to help seal the wound closed.

I have no experience with the below methods.

But, after more research, you can also further dress the wound with the silk fibers in the seedpods. The silk repels water and allows air to get in to heal the wound. The sap can also be used for bee stings, poison ivy, warts, moles, ringworm. For warts and moles the sap must be applied several times a day for 2-3 weeks.

Milkweed and it's relatives have a wide variety of medicinal uses, but most require preperation that couldn't be obtained in minutes. They could be obtained in a primitive setting though using only primitive methods. It is important to understand that there are a wide variety of "milkweeds" and not all have the same benefits. It is very common throughout most of the eastern half of North America.

Cattail fluff and Cottonwood fluff can be used in the same way after applying a sticky substance to the wound. Mors Kochanski suggests using "black poplar" or more commonly Cottonwood fluff to dress wounds and burns after applying the resin from the blisters that form in the bark of Balsam fir or "Porslid's white spruce.

The hardest part, besides finding usable information, is getting plants at the time they are producing the medicinal parts or benefits. Also, not all plants grow in all areas. I mentioned milkweed, cattail and cottonwood because they are easily identified with caution, grow in many places and provide the fluff at different times of the year.

[rwc1969]

YCC my grandpa raised 10 kids on his own without modern medicine. Yes, he did use turpentine and a few other basic chemicals, but it is possible to address many serious ailments and injuries using primitive methods. Did he perfrom brain and heart surgery, reattach nerves, or perfrom appendoctomies? No! But, he did most everything else including delivering and caring for all 10 kids and his wife. I'm sure it's possible to create turpentine, peroxide, alcohol, iodine or equally good substitiutes using primitive methods. Except for major surgery I believe all medical needs can be and have been satisified by nature for thousands of years using what most are now referring to as "primitive" methods. Modern medicine/ surgery has actually only been in widespread and semi-functional use for about 100 years. Prior to that it was mostly just guesswork and barbarism.

It amazes me that people think they need modern medicine when all modern medicine was derived from natural substances, whether synthetic or not. It's just a matter of knowing what plants and such produce those substances and how and when to extract them.

My granpa had many medical reference books, and passed down knowledge that he used to provide for his family before and during the depression.

When I try to find info on the net and come across something useful I see medical books from the 1800's and early 1900's referenced. I believe books similar to these are what my grandpa used and most likely contain the required info to extract and use these natural remedies. i.e. How to extract, when to extract, dosages, storage, etc.

I'd suggest trying to get a hold of these turn of the century medical reference books. I haven't been able to locate them myself.

[rwc1969]

The reason I mention the above is because relying solely on modern medicine and techniques is in fact being unprepared. Although, a modern kit is far better, it is not logical or practical to carry a huge first aid kit everywhere you go. You will be caught without it one day and then you will be up sheets creek.

What if you crash your vehicle and your kit is strewn about the forest or off the edge of a cliff? Your boat turns over in the river and your kit is washed away? A plane crashes? Many scenarios could leave you kitless and being prepared for that could be a lifesaver.

[oly]

Never used any of these just read about them so take it at your own risk.
Alumroot (saxifagaceae) root to stop minor bleeding.
Bistort (polygonacea) root to stop minor bleeding.
Cranesbill geranium (geraniaceae) used to stop bleeding.
False solomon's seal (liliaceae) poultice made from root to stop bleeding.
Henbit (labiatae) Leaf and flower tea to stop minor internal and external bleeding.
Periwinkle (Apocynaceae) regarded as a strong capillary constrictor.
Wild mustard's (cruciferae) seeds of shepherds purse are said to act as a blood. coagulant and vasoconstrictor, useful in stopping internal and external bleeding.

I will not post the others I have unless I can verify them and there uses.

I carry cayenne pepper in my pack, bad experience but very effective.

[crashdive123]

I think that the person with the most experience with medicinal plants is WildWoman. She doesn't get on-line as much as many of us would like, but she has discussed medicinal plants before.

[aflineman]

well... Rick prompted me to not keep my mouth shut so...to put it simply and straightforward, not intending to p.o. anyone..

this was meant to be "things you can find in the woods to use for first aid".
I've never found a stapler in the woods. the whole idea behind the thread is that you can't be prepared for everything all the time and knowledge of what you can use when you don't have all those gadgets and gizmos and kits and bags on your back.

certainly I know how to use a machete. sometimes accidents happen, or is it just me that has "$htuff happen"? that was pretty insulting.. learn how to use a machete.. ha! learn to read the posts.. never found 550 cord in the woods either. and if the rest of the thread had been read, you'd know that I have since stored first aid kits at the hunting locations we cleared.

my kids are in the scouts. scouts doesn't teach squat about first aid or much of anything else. I'm the one around here doing the most of the teaching useful things to the scouts. all they do around here is make macaroni picture frames and coloring pages.

so.. if I make folks mad or whatever or this post needs to be deleted, feel free mods to delete the post. This wasn't intended to be "instructions so ycc doesn't hurt himself" it was meant to be a collection of information that might help others who find themselves in any similar situation with any minor injury to be able to use what's at hand IN THE WOODS to get their condition stabilized. somehow it's gotten off topic and somehow along the way I'm suddenly an idiot savant with a machete.. come on gang.. we can do better than this.

the goat tears post was just me being funny. perhaps I should have just left this thread in the back of the closet.. forgotten and lost amongst multitudes of posts.

Rick, If I'm out of line, delete the post please.

You are NOT out of line pointing out the intend of the post that you started. My comments edited to hopefully meet your intent.
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[oly]

I think that the person with the most experience with medicinal plants is WildWoman. She doesn't get on-line as much as many of us would like, but she has discussed medicinal plants before.

I agree. Periwinkle (Apocynaceae) is from the dog bane family, things like that makes me nervous posting it.

[Rick]

What if you crash your vehicle and your kit is strewn about the forest or off the edge of a cliff? Your boat turns over in the river and your kit is washed away? A plane crashes? Many scenarios could leave you kitless and being prepared for that could be a lifesaver.

I think you are squarely on the mark. While I would much prefer modern medicine to folk medicine (I see it as comparing a Hawkins to a Ruger Mini 14) there will come a time when your quote above may well become a reality.

This is one of the items I have on my 2010 list of things to do. May I suggest the Pocket Naturalist? In particular Medicinal Plants. It's a starting point for me.

One that I have used and it seems to have had a positive affect is Coneflower (Echinacea spp.) Root or leaf tea is an antiseptic to clean sores and insect bites. I have use the leaf tea on insect bites. Whether it was a placebo affect or it worked, the bites seemed to heal quicker.

Three that I intend to try are Birch Betula spp. (tea from bark, twigs or leaves can be used for a wash or gargle to sooth sore mouth/throat) and Common Plantain Plantago major (a poultice can be used to stop bleeding and soothe infections and cuts.). Finally, Beebalm Monarda spp. (tea is used for stomach upset and insomnia).

I have had Coneflower tea and Beebalm tea. I find both pleasant but I used Beebalm as a refreshment rather than for medicinal purposes.

I have all of the above plants in my yard.

[rwc1969]

Crash posted a link in a thread I found while searching for something else. Here it is. http://www.raems.com/downloads.html

If you scroll down the page Chapter 8 of the pdf file link titled "Remote and Austere Medicine" has some useful info. Here is the pdf file http://www.raems.com/PDF/Austere%20Medicine.pdf

[Rick]

They do have some good stuff. Thanks for posting it.

[your_comforting_company]

got the list updated.

I would really like a printable copy of this list. Is there a way to remove the "story" and just have the list as a printable? I would really like to have a few copies of this list to keep with my field guides. It would save me from having to dig through the guides to find the injury, then the plant in the book, then the plant in the woods. When time is critical, this "quick reference" could save you precious minutes by looking up the ailment, and the plant to go with it, THEN finding a picture in the book, etc...

Thanks guys. The list is growing and it is surprising at the plants that have multiple uses. A lot of good info is getting posted now that we are back on track.

A big thank you to all who contributed to the list of natural remedies!

[crashdive123]

I haven't finished my bowl of coffee, so I'm not sure which list you are referring to.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

got the list updated.

I would really like a printable copy of this list. Is there a way to remove the "story" and just have the list as a printable? I would really like to have a few copies of this list to keep with my field guides. It would save me from having to dig through the guides to find the injury, then the plant in the book, then the plant in the woods. When time is critical, this "quick reference" could save you precious minutes by looking up the ailment, and the plant to go with it, THEN finding a picture in the book, etc...

Thanks guys. The list is growing and it is surprising at the plants that have multiple uses. A lot of good info is getting posted now that we are back on track.

A big thank you to all who contributed to the list of natural remedies!
YCC I think the only way you can make a list like you are talking about, is to edit your post, by copying/pasting the entries into one location/post. You could multi-quote all the posts that have entries of interest,and delete the extra stuff from these posts. It might take a while initially,but as newer entries are added it is pretty simple to edit in the new stuff by simply quoting the old post you made adding the new info and then deleting the old "list". Basically that is what I did with Crash's Christmas giveaway thread,when someone threw their name in the hat.

[edr730]

Honey and sugar stop bacteria growth in a wound. Soaking in salt water or vinegar (acid) solution does the same. All these things are used for the preservation of food for the same reason. Touching your tongue to a turpentine bottle three times was used a generation before me for many ailments, now we talk about pine needles. What we used quite a bit was a poultice of small sassafras leaves for infection and I've seen it work when doctors said amputation was the solution. We always just wrapped the leaves in a sock or twisted them in a piece of cloth then beat them with a hammer until they turned into a slimy green mass. It took care of a red streak running up my leg when I stepped on some glass or something in a stagnant pool of water as a boy.
I've stopped bleeding many many times with duck tape or electrical tape wrapped tight. Once I stopped a head wound when there was a large pool of blood upstairs and another pool in a garage below just by wrapping it tight enough.

[rwc1969]

I was just doing a search for "red osier dogwood uses" and came upon this.

Another link that lists thousands of plants and their potential uses including medicinal, oils, cordage, food, tannins, etc. This is the medicinal page and it's broken down by body part/ ailment with links to the plants that can be used

http://www.pfaf.org/leaflets/med_uses.php

If you go back to the main home page there are similar links for the other uses like edibilty and soap or oil, etc. with a similar breakdown.

It's not extremely detailed, but if you have a specific ailment you can use the link to find out which plants will treat it and then google "the plants name+uses" like I did with the red osier dogwood and you'd be amazed at what comes up. Specific use of plant including preperation, dosage and such.

There are some very in depth scientific articles using big words I don't understand describing the exact chemical compounds that have been extracted and then synthesized by man for commercial sale/ use.

Pretty intersting stuff. As for the red willow, I just put it in a pipe and smoked it. :sailor:

[your_comforting_company]

That looks like a really good link. I will be doing some more research on there and I will be ammending the original post to include this link for others to research plants that are in their area for medicinal uses.

The area containing tannin info will be very helpful in my hobby.
Thank you RWC. I'd give you some rep but the thing says I gotta spread it around.
just between me and you.. you got some good posts and I really appreciate you sharing your finds.

[Rick]

LOT'S of info on the link. Very good post!! Thanks.

[crashdive123]

Thanks for the link RWC - looks like a good one.

[your_comforting_company]

This week I've had a cold and earlier this year I transplanted some mullein into my yard. I dried a few leaves and with the cold, I've been self medicating with the mullein. It opens up my lungs and sinuses for quite some time and gives quite a bit of relief from my ails. I say it works from experience, although not long term experience. I'll roll a cigarette with crumbled leaves and smoke it just like a regular cig. I smoke about half a cig at a time, wait 15 minutes and I'm usually opened up by then.
In the fall I collected some sassafras roots, and dried them. This week, once a day, I've been taking the root tea to help with my sinuses and sore throat, and it has all the advantages of mullein, helping with the mucilaginous areas with the added benefit of soothing my throat.
These things work folks. give it a try WITH CAUTION AND MODERATION. I intend to try some mullein leaf tea very soon to see if it gives the same effect as smoking or burning like incense.

[yellowcab]

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