The Southern Invasion, documentary

[Kamiyama]

Will we survive?

Has anyone ever seen a documentary on how to survive the invasion?
Here in Dallas the invaders are now about 2 1/2 to everyone of us..

I don't ever hear or see much if anything on this silent war going on..

Ralph
DMTTofD

[Boker]

Will we survive?

Has anyone ever seen a documentary on how to survive the invasion?
Here in Dallas the invaders are now about 2 1/2 to everyone of us..

I don't ever hear or see much if anything on this silent war going on..

Ralph
DMTTofD


I'd be inclined to make fun of him, because I can't figure out what the hell he is talking about. But since he lives so close, someone else do it for me.


Thanks,

Boker

[Tootsiepop254]

I'm guessing the Southern invasion is the Mexicans?

[Pal334]

My guess is that we will survive just as we have every time there has been a large influx of immigrants. This may be a bit larger, but really no different. Just keep watching over your shoulder s

[Ole WV Coot]

Oh no, KY is just across the river South of me and most of them will be relatives. Once again they will be stealing the women and molesting the livestock, time to pull up the drawbridge..............

[Rick]

I'm with you, Coot. You have to keep a close eye on the Kentuckians. And if you can't then you need to hire someone trusted to do it for you!!

I actually fear the Irish a lot more than the Mexicans. No wait. The Italians. Oh, crap, I forgot about the Chinese. I REALLY think the Canadians are going to wait until we're all asleep and when we wake up we'll just be another Province. Now THAT's scary.

[crashdive123]

We're suffering from a northern invasion. Dadburn Yankees.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

OK I'll have you know That I WILL NOT molest any livestock those of you North of me have!! You know what they say, they look just like their owners.... :thumbdown::nono::confused1::taz:

Now South of me is a different matter, They have pretty good looking livestock!!!:creepy::thumbup::nod::serenade:




OK, time for a quick poll.... How many of you now have coffee all over your computer screen?

Personally there are getting to be fewer Hispanic immigrants around here. Must be the Economy,Assuming that was what Kamiyama was referring to.

[SARKY]

You know, it's a SHAME that we have an actual INVASION going on across our southern border and you clowns joke about it. OH and by the way , if you don't think it is an invasion, look up the definition!

[rwc1969]

There are lots of immigrants here. That's what we are, A nation of immigrants. The melting pot. Heinz 57!

Wouldn't be a problem except for this newest batch's general lack of neighborly respect, blaitent ignorance of law, common law, decency, boomin music, poor hygeine, disgusting behaviors, and willingless to work for a 1/3 of what most others will. I haven't lost a job to em, but know many have.

Not all are like that, but most I have met have a very unfriendly un-american attitude. They do have a "we're gonna take over America" mentality. They even have popular songs which express just that. It makes it hard to accept the nice ones.

I do have mexican, hispanic, peurto-rican friends that are real good people and it bums me out that the general population of new immigrants is so unruly. It gives these good people a bad name.

I've had extremely bad experience with immigrants, so maybe I'm a lil biased. I guess no-one should comment on the influx until the influx moves next door to them, steals their veggies, hogs up their parking spots, spills oil all over their driveway, drives thru their lawn, and rattles the pictures off the wall every day and night all day and all night long playing Salsa? music. 25-40+ year old mexicans hooting and hollerin at the 8-12 year old girls as they get off the school bus. The parents have to wait for them at the busstop now just to drive em 100 yards down the street.

We finally had to move along with most of our other neighbors. They have "taken over" that neighborhood.

Is that how the Irish, Chinese and Italians acted when they came over? Were they coming over illegally and in such great numbers? Were they a benefit to society rather than a detriment? I guess to the construction, landscape, grocery store owner they are a blessing, but to the folks who have to live next door to em I think they are a curse.

I feel real bad having to say that because I am not a racist and I believe folks should have the right to come to this country and make a better life for themselves. I also believe folks that live and work here should be citizens, or at least taxpayers.

[panch0]

Will we survive?

Has anyone ever seen a documentary on how to survive the invasion?
Here in Dallas the invaders are now about 2 1/2 to everyone of us..

I don't ever hear or see much if anything on this silent war going on..

Ralph
DMTTofD

OK....... I admit there are alot more than there used to be but, invasion? Please..... When the Irish a Italians were flooding into this country in the early 1900's and didn't speak any english we survived and after a generation or two they assimilated. These folks are just a little more sun burnt than the others but they will assimilate too. My wife was born in Mexico and she is as American as the next gal. I do get kind of upset when they are waving thier flag around sometimes, but since I know we would whoop them in a war I don't let it get to me. The laws do need to be enforced though. Quit reading the extreme websites and you will calm down a bit.

[Tootsiepop254]

I agree with rwc. Living in central CA, in the middle of farmland, there are a lot of immigrants here, and while I'm about as un-racist as one can get, the whole 'this is the new Mexico' attitude many display is, to say the least, annoying. They left their country for a reason... why try to make this one just like that one? We're doing a good enough job screwing it up on our own.

[Tootsiepop254]

OK....... I admit there are alot more than there used to be but, invasion? Please..... When the Irish a Italians were flooding into this country in the early 1900's and didn't speak any english we survived and after a generation or two they assimilated.

Irish people don't speak english? My great gram was from Ireland and she came in (through Canada), and spoke perfect (if accented) english the day she arrived.

Speaking of Canada, they're the ones you have to watch out for. :tongue_smilie:

[panch0]

There are lots of immigrants here. That's what we are, A nation of immigrants. The melting pot. Heinz 57!

Wouldn't be a problem except for this newest batch's general lack of neighborly respect, blaitent ignorance of law, common law, decency, boomin music, poor hygeine, disgusting behaviors, and willingless to work for a 1/3 of what most others will. I haven't lost a job to em, but know many have.

Not all are like that, but most I have met have a very unfriendly un-american attitude. They do have a "we're gonna take over America" mentality. They even have popular songs which express just that. It makes it hard to accept the nice ones.

I do have mexican, hispanic, peurto-rican friends that are real good people and it bums me out that the general population of new immigrants is so unruly. It gives these good people a bad name.

I've had extremely bad experience with immigrants, so maybe I'm a lil biased. I guess no-one should comment on the influx until the influx moves next door to them, steals their veggies, hogs up their parking spots, spills oil all over their driveway, drives thru their lawn, and rattles the pictures off the wall every day and night all day and all night long playing Salsa? music. 25-40+ year old mexicans hooting and hollerin at the 8-12 year old girls as they get off the school bus. The parents have to wait for them at the busstop now just to drive em 100 yards down the street.

We finally had to move along with most of our other neighbors. They have "taken over" that neighborhood.

Is that how the Irish, Chinese and Italians acted when they came over? Were they coming over illegally and in such great numbers? Were they a benefit to society rather than a detriment? I guess to the construction, landscape, grocery store owner they are a blessing, but to the folks who have to live next door to em I think they are a curse.

I feel real bad having to say that because I am not a racist and I believe folks should have the right to come to this country and make a better life for themselves. I also believe folks that live and work here should be citizens, or at least taxpayers.


I am not jumping on ya but do you remember Italian Chinese and Irish mafia and drug gangs. Not just just the new batch. I admit the new guys need a lesson on humility. We are now getting the lower class of the the new ones. I visit my wives family down there and they are no where as disrespectful as the ones here. They are hard workers and own their own business. The ones coming right now have no idea how to run a business and just want to work and get federal help. The next generation I hope will rise up and do something better with themselves. I am not taking their side cause they look down on me cause I was born and raised here and english is my first language. I am stuck in the middle sometimes. The racists white folks don't like me cause I am too brown and the Meskins don't like me cause I am too white. I am confused. Like I said enforce the existing laws and it will help a gat deal on this "problem"

[panch0]

Irish people don't speak english? My great gram was from Ireland and she came in (through Canada), and spoke perfect (if accented) english the day she arrived.

Speaking of Canada, they're the ones you have to watch out for. :tongue_smilie:

I meant the Italians, sorry.:innocent:

[panch0]

Where I live the population is about 90% of mexican heratige but was All American as can be. Now we have real Mexicans everywhere and things have really changed. Most not for the better. There is a real difference in culture from the Tejanos and Mexicans. Different customs, in just about everything except tamales. I have been in some good arguments with some of these guys and they are gung ho in their ways. Now I used to live in a predominately white neigbor hood in Arlington, TX and we had some unruly Vietnamese, Whites and black. I agree that we have problems of our own and don't need imported crap too.

[Tootsiepop254]

I meant the Italians, sorry.:innocent:

LOL no worries! I'm the first to admit the Irish get a little rowdy sometimes. As far as the second generation, children of immigrants, several of my friends are in the same boat as you, not accepted on either side. Its sad. I used to expect my fellow humans to show a little - well - humanity. Then I realised that they must be aliens (the outer space kind).

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Yeah I have a problem with those who are here Illegally,break the law, and become nuisances... I don't care what race, country, background, etc., etc. they come from. But to just class all in the same category is wrong. a percentage are here Legally, it may be small, I don't really know, but some are alright. The ones that really gripe me are the ones that were criminals and Gang members, Sneak across the border,remain criminals, get caught and the Law does nothing but turn them loose. I'm not a criminal, but if I broke a law I can promise you I would not get turned loose. That "Double Standard" really gripes me. They don't even Deport them!! If I went to another country in the same manner, I would not be treated as they are.

[panch0]

Yeah I have a problem with those who are here Illegally,break the law, and become nuisances... I don't care what race, country, background, etc., etc. they come from. But to just class all in the same category is wrong. a percentage are here Legally, it may be small, I don't really know, but some are alright. The ones that really gripe me are the ones that were criminals and Gang members, Sneak across the border,remain criminals, get caught and the Law does nothing but turn them loose. I'm not a criminal, but if I broke a law I can promise you I would not get turned loose. That "Double Standard" really gripes me. They don't even Deport them!! If I went to another country in the same manner, I would not be treated as they are.

You are so very correct poco. I went down to Mexico with out the proper paper work once and got sent home. He wouldn't even take a $20 dollar bill like most would. When an illegal gets pulled over here in the US its a Civil rights issue. Its a bunch of bull crap. The US is getting to be such a wuss Nation when it come to protecting our borders.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

You are so very correct poco. I went down to Mexico with out the proper paper work once and got sent home. He wouldn't even take a $20 dollar bill like most would. When an illegal gets pulled over here in the US its a Civil rights issue. Its a bunch of bull crap. The US is getting to be such a wuss Nation when it come to protecting our borders.

If it's so easy for them, what makes it any harder for Al Qaeda or any other Terrorist? What IS the purpose of Homeland Security if there is NO Security?

[Pal334]

You know, it's a SHAME that we have an actual INVASION going on across our southern border and you clowns joke about it. OH and by the way , if you don't think it is an invasion, look up the definition!

My statement was no joke. This is part of the evolution of our society. I do agree that the current immigration laws need to be more strictly enforced. The overwhelming majority of our visitors from the south are decent, hardworking people trying to support their families and do not get into any more trouble than you or I do (unfortunately they are probably not properly documented for entry). The unfortunate part is we only hear about the druggies and criminals. Hardly a clown, just a realist :cool2:

[panch0]

If they would just respect our laws and customs and not throw theirs in our face I think there wouldn't be as big of a fuss as there is now. I can understand the outrage with most people. Some folks get carried away with it though and make them sound like they are demons from hell trying to steal your soul. A guy once demonized a group of folks in Germany and nothing good came out of that.

[Tootsiepop254]

The ones that really gripe me are the ones that were criminals and Gang members, Sneak across the border,remain criminals, get caught and the Law does nothing but turn them loose. I'm not a criminal, but if I broke a law I can promise you I would not get turned loose. That "Double Standard" really gripes me. They don't even Deport them!! If I went to another country in the same manner, I would not be treated as they are.

I did a research paper for my english class on crime and illegal immigrants (our theme in english is the mexican immigration :smash:) and there was a newspaper article about a man who was arrested and deported 10 times for violently raping women & young girls, beating elderly people, ect. I think its things like that that sour it for the people that come here to make a better life for themselves.

And as far as other nationalities, the US isn't as accessible to them as it is to Mexico. You can deport them and they'll be back the same day.

[panch0]

I did a research paper for my english class on crime and illegal immigrants (our theme in english is the mexican immigration :smash:) and there was a newspaper article about a man who was arrested and deported 10 times for violently raping women & young girls, beating elderly people, ect. I think its things like that that sour it for the people that come here to make a better life for themselves.

And as far as other nationalities, the US isn't as accessible to them as it is to Mexico. You can deport them and they'll be back the same day.

I agree. I know some bad folks living in a "colonia"( poor neigborhood out side of town). They caught this one guys with 100 pounds of weed, deported him and he was back doing the same thing a week later. I wish they could secure the borders better and keep clowns like this out. Again enforce the laws and it will take a big bite out of the problem.

[Tootsiepop254]

A guy once demonized a group of folks in Germany and nothing good came out of that.

According to some, that never happened. I used to do in home care for a woman who spent time in one of Hitler's vacation resorts.

[nell67]

There are lots of immigrants here. That's what we are, A nation of immigrants. The melting pot. Heinz 57!

Wouldn't be a problem except for this newest batch's general lack of neighborly respect, blaitent ignorance of law, common law, decency, boomin music, poor hygeine, disgusting behaviors, and willingless to work for a 1/3 of what most others will. I haven't lost a job to em, but know many have.

Not all are like that, but most I have met have a very unfriendly un-american attitude. They do have a "we're gonna take over America" mentality. They even have popular songs which express just that. It makes it hard to accept the nice ones.

I do have mexican, hispanic, peurto-rican friends that are real good people and it bums me out that the general population of new immigrants is so unruly. It gives these good people a bad name.

I've had extremely bad experience with immigrants, so maybe I'm a lil biased. I guess no-one should comment on the influx until the influx moves next door to them, steals their veggies, hogs up their parking spots, spills oil all over their driveway, drives thru their lawn, and rattles the pictures off the wall every day and night all day and all night long playing Salsa? music. 25-40+ year old mexicans hooting and hollerin at the 8-12 year old girls as they get off the school bus. The parents have to wait for them at the busstop now just to drive em 100 yards down the street.

We finally had to move along with most of our other neighbors. They have "taken over" that neighborhood.

Is that how the Irish, Chinese and Italians acted when they came over? Were they coming over illegally and in such great numbers? Were they a benefit to society rather than a detriment? I guess to the construction, landscape, grocery store owner they are a blessing, but to the folks who have to live next door to em I think they are a curse.

I feel real bad having to say that because I am not a racist and I believe folks should have the right to come to this country and make a better life for themselves. I also believe folks that live and work here should be citizens, or at least taxpayers.


Maybe we should deport the Amish??? They don't pay taxes,theywork in factories and other jobs,just like we do,but they don't pay income taxes,they use the roads,but don't pay taxes (ever seen Amish buggies racing each other down the road....hilarious) But they work their butts off and take nothing or very little from the government (think I saw a news article this summer where a few of them actually bowed down and accepted unemployment benefits when laid off,even though it meant being "shunned" by their community).

[crashdive123]

You know, it's a SHAME that we have an actual INVASION going on across our southern border and you clowns joke about it. OH and by the way , if you don't think it is an invasion, look up the definition!

OK - all clowning aside. The illegal immagration woes will not be solved on this forum. The Azzclowns that make the laws are using the issue as a means to a political ends, and we do not discuss politics here - that's why my post was not a serious one. It is a serious problem. It is contributing to the economic woes of this country. Our laws should be enforced - period.

[doug1980]

I'll tell you how I will survive it. I'll wait until they all get here then I will just move down there. See problem solved. :)

[mountain mama]

I agree that our laws need to be abided by, if not, then boot their butts back to their own country. If they want to fly a Mexican flag, they can fly it in Mexico. If they want to receive an education in spanish, move back to a spanish speaking country. If they want to soak up our benefits (medical, education, social security, food stamps, driving on our roads, etc) then they d@mn well better be paying our taxes. And if they are going to drive in this country, they better have insurance or we need to be confiscating their vehicles! Anyone that doesn't think it is an invasion hasn't lived in a border city.

[Kamiyama]

Hmmmm the USA a nation of immigrants.
LOL.. illegal immigration.
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/011910.html
Hmmm Invasion.. yeah.. that's what you don't really wish to say.
Americans are weak and can't or will not defend their country.. so.. they let it happen for votes..

Well..
I have students who come to the Dallas area from different parts of the US.
They leave with a totally different opinion than this is a nation of immigrants.

Hey they don't speak Spanish.
Hello.. it is Mexican.
Not Spanish.
Research..
People who do speak Spanish will tell you to your face.. it is not Spanish.
Not that that matters..
Every thing in the local area is written in Mexican.
Banks, Stores, Gas Stations, Equipment, Food Services, Products, etc..
LOL..
Hello..

When you have a beautiful city such as.. say Carrollton Texas.. living there for say.. 20 years with nice clean parks, clean streets, wonderful areas to walk and take your family.. etc.. and it changes.. nation of immigrants invades..
The parks are dirty with trash.. ****ty diapers, beer cans, beer bottle tops, paper, etc.. etc.. etc.. trees cut on.. tables cut into with invader signs, names and macho sayings of gang BS.. paint sprayed here and there of gang or macho BS.. streets with cars and trucks with no insurance.. blowing smoke because they don't take care of their equipment.. get inspections.. they.. the nation of immigrants invaders hit you and they get away because they are not US born or legal people.. sorry invaders.. sorry good nation of immigrants people.. homes turned into trashy areas.. good American move to avoid the mess and trashy living conditions.. turning the homes and area into low life living conditions.. you cant walk and enjoy the areas due to crime and the un-believable noise of the music blowing so loud you can even relax.. by the nation of immigrants invaders..

LOL..
Give me a break..
Get sime..
You live in it for a while.. see if you sing the praise of good honest hard working nation of immigrants crap.
LOL.

I have worked in the Dallas area in the security business.. close with the so called Law Enforcement people.. and property management..
I have witnessed.. first hand the scum living area all around the North Dallas apartments.. LOL.. dirty, trashy, loud, rude, macho, nasty.. etc nation of immigrants...
LOL..
Give me a break.

It wasn't like this below..
So what is the cause?
Oh the good hard working nation of immigrants invaders?

Maybe so..

If not you come here work for a year in it and tell me what it is..

thanks.. but no thanks..
LOL.. illegal immigration..

They have invaded the USA and are winning the war against the American people.

Ralph
DMTTofD

Population 2005: 1,213,825
Population 2004: 1,208,829
Population 2003: 1,204,879
Population 2002: 1,204,081
Population 2001: 1,202,827
Population 2000: 1,188,580 (2000 Census)
Population 1990: 1,006,877 (1990 Census)

Population Growth 2000 to 2005: 2.12%
Population Growth 1990 to 2000: 18.05%

Population (2005 Estimate): 1,144,946
Male: 582,784 (50.90%)
Female: 562,162 (49.10%)

Races, 2005 Data (% change from 2000):
Hispanic or Latino: 42.10% (+6.55%)
White: 30.30% (-4.26%)
Black or African American: 23.71% (-2.20%)
Other race: 15.01% (-2.23%)
Asian: 2.76% (+0.06%)
Two or more races: 1.15% (-1.57%)
American Indian: 0.46% (-0.08%)
Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander: 0.03% (-0.02%)

[Ole WV Coot]

I will be serious for once about this. My problem is some nut with a dirty bomb coming across the border because we really don't have one. Many years ago I went back and forth from Northern Maine to Canada, sometimes crossing in the woods not knowing what
country I was in. Times have changed and I am not native American, Mom is Swedish and
could speak Swedish, French & English when she married a Scotch-Irish and everything else
hillbilly from KY and spent a couple of years before she understood the "local" language. I can't blame anyone for wanting a better life. If we have laws, enforce them or take them off the books. I don't remember anyone screaming when Castro took over Cuba back in the late '50s Cubans were welcomed. We gotta enforce the laws for everyone's safety in the States. It ain't picking on any Mexicans or Canadians it's just we need to know who is coming in the back door. I am all for the suicide bombers IF they go out in
the desert and each practices one time, I don't want them here. A lot of good and some bad folks will be caught if we ever enforce the laws and I would like to see folks come here legally. I don't believe this discrimination bit, I've been in places where I was discriminated against, a few real hostile. I just want our laws obeyed and folks enter legally like most did. Equal law enforcement would go a long way. Just my opinion, half
Yankee, half Hillbilly, 100% Redneck but American.

[Tootsiepop254]

I agree that our laws need to be abided by, if not, then boot their butts back to their own country.
We do. But we don't/can't/won't keep them from coming back! I fully realize that I'm the minority in my town; it doesn't really bother me. I'm over 1/4 native american; just under 3/4 immigrant. But they did it the hard way; the legal way.

[rwc1969]

I wonder what percentage of the North American population is native american?

[Tootsiepop254]

I wonder what percentage of the North American population is native american?

According to Kamiyama's data:
American Indian: 0.46% (-0.08%)

[pocomoonskyeyes]

I agree that our laws need to be abided by, if not, then boot their butts back to their own country. If they want to fly a Mexican flag, they can fly it in Mexico. If they want to receive an education in spanish, move back to a spanish speaking country. If they want to soak up our benefits (medical, education, social security, food stamps, driving on our roads, etc) then they d@mn well better be paying our taxes. And if they are going to drive in this country, they better have insurance or we need to be confiscating their vehicles! Anyone that doesn't think it is an invasion hasn't lived in a border city.
MM I Agree with what you say, the laws should be enforced equally amongst everyone in this country citizen or otherwise. I don't care if they fly a Mexican flag as that is part of their Heritage(assuming that they are here Legally),the same as Italians,Greeks,and others that are proud of their Heritage.

I will be serious for once about this. My problem is some nut with a dirty bomb coming across the border because we really don't have one...... If we have laws, enforce them or take them off the books. ...... We gotta enforce the laws for everyone's safety in the States. It ain't picking on any Mexicans or Canadians it's just we need to know who is coming in the back door. ...... I don't want them here. A lot of good and some bad folks will be caught if we ever enforce the laws and I would like to see folks come here legally. I don't believe this discrimination bit, I've been in places where I was discriminated against, a few real hostile. I just want our laws obeyed and folks enter legally like most did. Equal law enforcement would go a long way. Just my opinion, half
Yankee, half Hillbilly, 100% Redneck but American.
OWVC I apologize for deleting all but the laws part but that is what I am trying to concentrate on in this post. We are vulnerable as long as the border remains weak.Now I am not advocating the "Iron Curtain" or anything but some kind of deterent/obstacle has to be in place,I just don't know what. In todays society, with all the Technological advances there has to be some viable alternative. Some Laws will never be taken off the books whether they are enforced or not. It's cheaper to keep them and ignore them. They can always be used when they (LEO's) need to "detain" someone and need an excuse to hold them until a more thorough check can be done on an individual.

We do. But we don't/can't/won't keep them from coming back! I fully realize that I'm the minority in my town; it doesn't really bother me. I'm over 1/4 native american; just under 3/4 immigrant. But they did it the hard way; the legal way.

Sorry Tootsie but about half the time they are not even deported, if I am to believe the Media reports I have seen. Just cut loose to do it all over again.

I realize that the primary agency responsible is the Border Patrol.However they are undermanned,and outnumbered. I also think that Homeland Security has a role to play here as well. As OWVC pointed out that is a vulnerable chink in our armor for any of a number of things,from sleeper cells to Dirty Bombs. Stuff has been and is still being smuggled across that border. I Just wish they would see what we see. If every pound of illegal drugs were to be replaced with plastic explosives we would be extremely vulnerable to all kinds of terroristic horrors. I just don't understand why HS hasn't made this a priority. Europe has better border control than we do and they (the terrorists) still manage to infiltrate those borders. Some of the Gangs that Kamiyama is talking about, just barely fall short of Terrorist classification.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

According to Kamiyama's data:
American Indian: 0.46% (-0.08%)

The data is representative of Dallas I beleive, not America. By the way Creek Indian of the Wind Clan talking at ya!

[mountain mama]

I was hit by a drunk driver about 15 years ago. He was leaving a bar at the time. It was a hit and run. I chased the b@st@rd down and had 9-1-1 on the phone the whole time. He finally came to a stop and the cops showed up. He failed the field sobriety test miserably. He had no insurance. The cops let him go because he was an illegal immigrant and not worth the trouble of processing. They let one of the other 8 illegal immigrants in the van drive, since the initial driver was not in any condition to be behind the wheel. If we can't prosecute them, and we can't ship them back, can we at least shoot 'em (not all illegal immigrants, just the ones guilty of serious infractions of our laws that place the rest of us law-abiding citizens at risk of injury or death)?

Oh, and btw, I used to teach in inner-city Dallas. I can only account for my own school/class, but it seemed to be 49% mexican, 49% black, and 2% caucasian.

[Tootsiepop254]

If all the illegal drugs imported were replaced with explosives, there wouldnt BE an America!

mm - I dare you to shoot one (not seriously; I would never advocate taking a life... unless they deserve it). The ACLU would be down your throat before you could say "Bang!" and you would be a racist, locked up for the rest of your life, with the majority of the inmates hispanic, and the person you shot would be a national hero, loving devoted son/father/brother/ect.

[oldsoldier]

About an hour south of here is Robards Ky. They have a Tysons chicken processing plant there. A guy that lives next door to my sister and BIL tried to get a job there(tysons) got turned down because he does not speak spanish!! Seems 95% of the employee's and line supervisors are mexicans.

[panch0]

If all the illegal drugs imported were replaced with explosives, there wouldnt BE an America!

mm - I dare you to shoot one (not seriously; I would never advocate taking a life... unless they deserve it). The ACLU would be down your throat before you could say "Bang!" and you would be a racist, locked up for the rest of your life, with the majority of the inmates hispanic, and the person you shot would be a national hero, loving devoted son/father/brother/ect.

Not here in Texas. If they are on your property posing a threat all are fair game.

[Tootsiepop254]

Most of the jobs here (from laborer to manager) are required bilingual english/spanish. It sucks because I dont know spanish, except for Taco Bell.

[panch0]

Some of the Gangs that Kamiyama is talking about, just barely fall short of Terrorist classification.

I tell you what what I have seen in the news about the drug cartels about 30 minutes from my home town they are terrorist. In a border town they threw heads of about 5 or 6 men into a bar in a trash bag. They are terrorist make no mistakes about it. They are as bad as the al qaeda terrorists.

I remember when I was the only and I quote "Mexican" (Which I am not, my ancestors where) I was thought of as cool cause of that. Nowadays I feel like the good Arab folks do because of middle eastern terrorist groups. My brother in law who is 5th generation American was hit by some ******* racist clown at a gas station. This bozo told him to go back to Mexico. Kamiyama's way of dealing with this problem leads to this kind of behavior. Its a problem and a bad one at that. We need to deport the ones we catch and keep them out. Going around and doing round ups in the barrios is what they did in the 30's and it is a black mark on US history. Look it up.

[panch0]

Now that we are talking invasion I now understand what my native American brothers felt for the past 500 yrs. The history of mankind is not a pretty one. One group of people conquering and killing another. Its happened since Man ran into the neaderthals. Man kind has been on the move from africa since the beggining. When you have a pallet of paint you are bound to mix up red with white and brown with yellow.

[Kamiyama]

Frank, if you don't mind.. explain this... "Kamiyama's way of dealing with this problem leads to this kind of behavior".

Thanks,
Ralph
DMTTofD

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Frank, if you don't mind.. explain this... "Kamiyama's way of dealing with this problem leads to this kind of behavior".

Thanks,
Ralph
DMTTofD

This is not what Frank said....Taking the quote out of the content of what was said makes it meaningless.

[panch0]

You make it sound like if it is an armed invasion and get people even more rilled up than they are. Folks like my brother in law just cause they are brown get messed with cause of this kind of talk. We need to find a solution to this problem but going at ti like that is not the right way. I feel offended a bit cause I don't look like you do and if I were to go upsate and run into someone with your views on the situation, I will probably be getting dirty looks or have things said to me. That is why I don't like that kind of talk. It could affect my kids or my wife. Its a good thing here where I live it is %75 percent American with hispanic heratige. There are lawyers and very well off people who don't look like you do or have the same customs as you do. They are 2nd or third generation Americans who come from families were treated bad cause of the color of their skin and were taking jobs that nobody wanted to do in the 40's and 50's. So when I hear guys talk about the problem we face with "we are were being invades let defend our country it worries me for my family which is just as American as you. Forgive me if I singled you out but you did start the thread a little agressively.

[Kamiyama]

Hmmm defend my country.. good point.
So what you are saying is my post are coming off kind of.. American.. like thinking?
I mean lets break it down.
Let me ask you as well as any other person who wishes to respond.
Say someone comes in to your home and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
No.. that might be a little too simple.
Let’s say someone comes on your property and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
No.. that might be a little too simple.
Let’s say someone comes on your community and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
No.. that might be a little too simple.
Let’s say someone comes on your town and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
No.. that might be a little too simple.
Let’s say someone comes on your city and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
Hmmmm
Shall I go on?
Yes anyone can make excuses on why they have turned their heads from the invasion.


Ralph
DMTTofD

[mountain mama]

You make it sound like if it is an armed invasion and get people even more rilled up than they are.Have you been in an inner-city public school? Sometimes it is an "armed invasion".

I am certainly not suggesting that everyone of color be discriminated against. I'm from Texas and I like the thought of all criminals hung high regardless of race or national origin.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Pancho,

I have no hispanic heritage but have fealt the stares and heard the comments as I have a bit of Creek Indian heritage and am dark complected! You deserve respect as do I! I for one will not tolerate broad statements about any ethnicity! Scum comes in all colors!

[Ole WV Coot]

Frank I don't think you can equate Redneck with racist. World of difference and where the term Redneck originated the folks were native Appalachian, Irish, Polish, Black all men banded together to attempt to get a decent wage mining coal. Lots couldn't speak English yet they stood together and lived in tents, being shot at by full auto weapons. I am proud to be one of them. I have worked on lines in the area of Coal Mtn. and Matewan. The word has been distorted and taken by some people that degraded the title.

[mountain mama]

Hmmm defend my country.. good point.
So what you are saying is my post are coming off kind of.. American.. like thinking?
I mean lets break it down.
Let me ask you as well as any other person who wishes to respond.
Say someone comes in to your home and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
No.. that might be a little too simple.
Let’s say someone comes on your property and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
No.. that might be a little too simple.
Let’s say someone comes on your community and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
No.. that might be a little too simple.
Let’s say someone comes on your town and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
No.. that might be a little too simple.
Let’s say someone comes on your city and does the same things as the invaders are doing in your country.
So what then?
Hmmmm
Shall I go on?
Yes anyone can make excuses on why they have turned their heads from the invasion.uhhhhhh.... rambling much?

[panch0]

Have you been in an inner-city public school? Sometimes it is an "armed invasion".

I am certainly not suggesting that everyone of color be discriminated against. I'm from Texas and I like the thought of all criminals hung high regardless of race or national origin.

I am with you on that MM. HAng' em high no matter what race or creed. We have bad dudes here also and would love to see them behind bars.

[panch0]

Frank I don't think you can equate Redneck with racist. World of difference and where the term Redneck originated the folks were native Appalachian, Irish, Polish, Black all men banded together to attempt to get a decent wage mining coal. Lots couldn't speak English yet they stood together and lived in tents, being shot at by full auto weapons. I am proud to be one of them. I have worked on lines in the area of Coal Mtn. and Matewan. The word has been distorted and taken by some people that degraded the title.

I apologize with about using that word. I was just typing with out checking. I meant racists. i will go back and edit that part.

Things like that incident are happening more frequently and it worries me cause there are more ingnorant folks that level headed ones.

[Kamiyama]

An invasion is pretty simple to understand.. it is simple.. someone is coming onto or in an area which they are not invited.
Right?
Armed or not armed.. it doesn’t matter.

Invasion:
a hostile entry by an armed force into a country's territory, especially with the intention of conquering it
the arrival of large numbers of people or things at one time
a spoiling of something by interfering with it or taking some of it away
the arrival or spread of something that causes damage or harm
medicine the spread of disease-causing organisms or malignant cells in the body
botany the aggressive spread of a plant species in an area, stifling the growth of preexisting species

Regardless of turning away from it or not having an opinion on it..
Bottom line is.. what I said is FACT.. not opinion.. it is REAL.

Groovy?

Ralph
DMTTofD

[mountain mama]

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Time to tear down Lady Liberty?
Hey, if they can be productive members of society they are as welcome as I am. If they can't, then don't let the door hit 'em on the way out.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Kamiyama,

I can understand your anger at our country. But it has a place and it isn't here on a survival forum...Noone here that I know of can fix it.. Take it to someone who can. There is plenty to be disliked in the world... but ranting on a forum isn't gonna fix it...

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Frank I don't think you can equate Redneck with racist. World of difference and where the term Redneck originated the folks were native Appalachian, Irish, Polish, Black all men banded together to attempt to get a decent wage mining coal. Lots couldn't speak English yet they stood together and lived in tents, being shot at by full auto weapons. I am proud to be one of them. I have worked on lines in the area of Coal Mtn. and Matewan. The word has been distorted and taken by some people that degraded the title.

Coot,

Frank actually refers to himself as a rednecksican so I am sure it wasn't meant the way it was taken...there is a problem when the masses see only a color and wish to destroy it and it is very real for Frank IMO. I am not speaking for Frank. I am as redneck as they come but I am also dark complected I understand what he meant by his statement and it doesn't bother this redneck one durn bit!

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Kamiyama I don't think there is a single person disagreeing with you, in the sense that you seem to think they are. There may be some disagreement on some finer points, yes. When people think of Invasion they tend to think of Normandy,D-Day that sort of thing. While you may be technically correct I think you should take into account how other people generally interpret a word. It is something I have to do myself. I catch myself using words that others may not fully understand. I also try to clarify using an analogy a lot of times.

[Kamiyama]

COWBOYSURVIVAL thanks for your opinion and I always welcome everyone's opinion openly and with a pure heart.
It is not my intention to solve any invasion challenge or problem here on this or any other forum.
I'm not sure if I stated this was my intention either.
But you are correct, it cannot be solved on a forum. Right.
But it is completely and to the very nature of survival.
If you don't feel it is about survival by all means please explain so I can better understand your opinion of what survival is and is not.

My opinion of what survival is..
Knowledge.
Reason.
Logic.

I believe all three of these fall into my opinion.. and well it is a forum.. why not have a thread about it?

BTW, I don't really have anger at our country or anyone else. My community is being invaded. Pretty simple.

Ralph
DMTTofD

[panch0]

An invasion is pretty simple to understand.. it is simple.. someone is coming onto or in an area which they are not invited.
Right?
Armed or not armed.. it doesn’t matter.

Invasion:
a hostile entry by an armed force into a country's territory, especially with the intention of conquering it
the arrival of large numbers of people or things at one time
a spoiling of something by interfering with it or taking some of it away
the arrival or spread of something that causes damage or harm
medicine the spread of disease-causing organisms or malignant cells in the body
botany the aggressive spread of a plant species in an area, stifling the growth of preexisting species

Regardless of turning away from it or not having an opinion on it..
Bottom line is.. what I said is FACT.. not opinion.. it is REAL.

Groovy?

Ralph
DMTTofD

Yes I understand where you are coming from Kamiyama. I wish they would just go away too cause it causes folks like me grief. Anyways I can see your point. I may not agree with you way of expressing it but I agree in it being a big problem. Hopefully the powers that be can do something about it.

[Kamiyama]

Thank you Frank.

Ralph
DMTTofD

[panch0]

Thanks Cowboy! I love this forum and the folks here. I respectfully pull myself out of this discussion. I respect every one's opinions and gosh dangit there ain't nothing more American than voicing them.

Coot. I really hope you didn't get offended. I am as redneck as an ole meskin boy can be.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Just sayin' it would be alot more fruitful to do something at the community level... I for one am not as eloquent and surely am not looking for a war of words with you. It could have something to do with survival....to me survival is doing something to survive a situation. What are you doing in this situation that pertains to your survival?

[Pal334]

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

From MountainMamas post

I take those words as they are meant. If the folks come here, are productive, then I can and do welcome them with open arms. If a person comes here or is here and violates the law (including legalities of immigration) then they are not welcome in my part of the country. I have to disagree with the premise that they are coming here unwelcome or unwanted, clearly throughout our history we have proven differently. Hence that part of the "invasion" definition does not apply

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Let us remember most came here fleeing a corrupt government in the beginnings of America. We have shared this continent with Mexico since. Here is a thought to ponder... This continent was inhabited by red men, how did their become a difference in Mexicans and American Indians? The answer is simple American Indians were irradicated even exterminated at least in the borders of America so now who exactly is invading? Now hundreds of years later we find ourselves bothered by the same people that were oppressed? Indeed why did our forefathers stop at the Texas border? My GGGGGrandfather was one of the red men that tried to save the land of the Creek or Muskogee tribe. He was half white and that occured in the early 1800's By the way he was a Chief. So here we are about 200 years later discussing an invasion? LOL...His name is Red Eagle or William Weatherford III, look up the battle of Fort Mims. The drug cartel is the problem not the children of the ancestors of this land!!!!

[Kamiyama]

COWBOYSURVIVAL your Q was, "What are you doing in this situation that pertains to your survival"?

knowledge
reason
logic

I train, educate, teach 3 to 4 days a week on subjects of self-preservation.
Every week.
Year after year.


Ralph
DMTTofD

[SARKY]

HEY! I have no problem with anyone comming here LEAGALLY!!!! When the do it illeagally, they have right off the bat disrespected Me, My ancestors (who came here leagally) and the laws of this land!!!!! As to those who came here illeagally from Mexico "Go back, have another revolution and get it right this time" Mary N. Cordero (that's my wife)
Yes her family is from Mexico and she is first generation native born American. Her mom was a naturalized citizen after jumping through all the hoops and taking the test!!!
So has anyone heard of Mecha, LaRaza, or Reconquista?? Oh yeah these are melting pot organizations ....NOT! They are as racist as any racist organization can be.

[Ole WV Coot]

Folks I didn't get offended, especially at you guys. We are all different and I am glad we are. Every darn one of us ought to be proud of our ancestors (even the ones that were hung) and I have a couple. Most people have the wrong opinion of the origin of the word Redneck and I really wanted everyone to know where it came from and how the meaning has changed, caused by a few and in some places I gotta admit the majority. Just maybe if we weren't always trying to be politically correct things would be a lot better. When I got into a knuckle drill at a younger age I could care less where the man came from or his color and I ain't changed. Friends were and are the same. I ain't never said some of my best friends are_______fill in the blank. Never will. Amazing isn't it how a word can wind someone's watch. I personally think a discussion like this among folks who respect each other gives each of us an insight on everyone that has responded. Seems like we agree we all bleed red and have been to a few dog & pony shows so this ain't nothing new. Don't really have anything worthwhile to say, anyone that has a problem with a complete race or color has a personal problem you ain't gonna solve by trying to cut a person down. That's my opinion, agree or disagree doesn't really matter it will all come out in the wash.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Folks I didn't get offended, especially at you guys. We are all different and I am glad we are. Every darn one of us ought to be proud of our ancestors (even the ones that were hung) and I have a couple. Most people have the wrong opinion of the origin of the word Redneck and I really wanted everyone to know where it came from and how the meaning has changed, caused by a few and in some places I gotta admit the majority. Just maybe if we weren't always trying to be politically correct things would be a lot better. When I got into a knuckle drill at a younger age I could care less where the man came from or his color and I ain't changed. Friends were and are the same. I ain't never said some of my best friends are_______fill in the blank. Never will. Amazing isn't it how a word can wind someone's watch. I personally think a discussion like this among folks who respect each other gives each of us an insight on everyone that has responded. Seems like we agree we all bleed red and have been to a few dog & pony shows so this ain't nothing new. Don't really have anything worthwhile to say, anyone that has a problem with a complete race or color has a personal problem you ain't gonna solve by trying to cut a person down. That's my opinion, agree or disagree doesn't really matter it will all come out in the wash.

I'd have to agree we're on the same page on this one and I am glad we had this discussion amongst men..pretty simple really...

[Kamiyama]

I don't believe this thread was founded on the subject of grandmother or grandfather, mom or dad, legal immigration, racist, ancestors in general or any other legal human beings coming into America.

The thread is based on invaders or the invasion of America.
Invasion:
a hostile entry by an armed force into a country's territory, especially with the intention of conquering it
the arrival of large numbers of people or things at one time
a spoiling of something by interfering with it or taking some of it away
the arrival or spread of something that causes damage or harm
medicine the spread of disease-causing organisms or malignant cells in the body
botany the aggressive spread of a plant species in an area, stifling the growth of preexisting species

It was based on the people who are trashing, poisoning, killing off the wonderful American way of life, talking the benefits of the American who worked so hard for and paid their dues, taxes... work within the laws.. doing what is right and just.

Until you witness first hand the trashing, poisoning, killing off the wonderful American way of life you'll miss the point.

Some.. not all.. People think survival is wilderness.. eating wild foods.. making rope.. living out off the land.. etc.
Well.. hmmmmmm ok.

Ralph
DMTTofD

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Good Luck to you! Kamiyama I relent to trying to discuss anything with you. It just isn't worth it to me...we have different views and it will always be...so be it.

[Kamiyama]

COWBOYSURVIVAL thanks for your reply.

What I am pointing out is.. the subject matter.. invasion.. not race or color of skin or where you or I came from.. or where our family came from...

I feel the opinion you had was.. ""ok by me"" and this discussion amongst men - women.. pretty simple really... no problem.

Ralph
DMTTofD

[finallyME]

Until you witness first hand the trashing, poisoning, killing off the wonderful American way of life you'll miss the point.


In my view, there are a lot of natural born Americans whose family has been here in this country since before the Revolution during this very thing. There is no invasion. Birds of a feather stick together.

[Tootsiepop254]

BTW, I don't really have anger at our country or anyone else. My community is being invaded. Pretty simple.

Ralph
DMTTofD

I do. I have a lot of anger - at our government's serious mishandling of... well, everything. But that's neither here nor there. People come here to find a better life - more power to them, and good luck.
My horseshoer is mexican, and a better man can't be found. His son, however, is an all out ****head.
The crime is an issue with everyone, citizens and illegals. There is no easy fix - and most likely, no fix at all.

Poco - yes, we all have common roots - and color shouldn't matter. To most, it doesnt. it's the criminals that are being bashed here, I think.

[doug1980]

Frankly I don't care if they are coming from the South, North or across the oceans if you ain't legal GET OUT! Our country was created, ran and protected with tax dollars. So in order to sit here and bask in our freedom and our liberties you will contribute. English is our language and you either learn it or go back. I remember when Seasame Street was in all English now half of it is in Spanish. Tons of cartoons are in spanish, heck everything with a user manual has Spanish. What the heck is the deal with that. I have nothing against them but you have your own country sorry it sucks but not my problem, don't taint mine. Was that too harsh? Probably wasn't politically correct....oh well.

Is kamiyama, remy sure seems similar.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

I don't believe this thread was founded on the subject of grandmother or grandfather, mom or dad, legal immigration, racist, ancestors in general or any other legal human beings coming into America.

The thread is based on invaders or the invasion of America.
Invasion:
a hostile entry by an armed force into a country's territory, especially with the intention of conquering it
the arrival of large numbers of people or things at one time
a spoiling of something by interfering with it or taking some of it away
the arrival or spread of something that causes damage or harm
medicine the spread of disease-causing organisms or malignant cells in the body
botany the aggressive spread of a plant species in an area, stifling the growth of preexisting species

It was based on the people who are trashing, poisoning, killing off the wonderful American way of life, talking the benefits of the American who worked so hard for and paid their dues, taxes... work within the laws.. doing what is right and just.

Until you witness first hand the trashing, poisoning, killing off the wonderful American way of life you'll miss the point.

Some.. not all.. People think survival is wilderness.. eating wild foods.. making rope.. living out off the land.. etc.
Well.. hmmmmmm ok.

Ralph
DMTTofD

From the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
Main Entry: sur·viv·al
Pronunciation: \sər-ˈvī-vəl\
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Date: 1598

1 a : the act or fact of living or continuing longer than another person or thing b : the continuation of life or existence <problems of survival in arctic conditions>
2 : one that survives
Well for 400 years this is what the word means. I don't see how this invasion affects Living or continuing longer than another. I can see the continuation of existence(as in lifestyle,not life) being threatened possibly.But as the old cliché applies - "The only thing that Never changes is Change itself" So maybe survival does apply in a new context here, as in adaptability of a species(or people) to adapt to it's environment in an effort to continue it's existence. "Adapt, Overcome, Improvise".

OK I'll take the unpopular spot,and play Devil's Advocate. If you feel so threatened by the different Lifestyle,why not try to EDUCATE them,as opposed to ERADICATE them.(Before anyone jumps the gun - I mean eradicate as in get rid of,not as in slaughter). Wouldn't that be a better approach?Train instead of Trounce? They were offered amnesty if they left and re-entered as Legal Immigrants,am I right? Oh yeah, before I am called any political name,(MODS - I know I am treading a razors edge here about politics) Let me state I have NO affiliations except America, land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE. Bravery sometimes doesn't mean facing a bigger, meaner, tougher opponent. Sometimes it means doing the right thing no matter how popular or unpopular it may be. That is not politics,that is pure unadulterated human decency.

Another old cliché - "Either you are a part of the solution,or you are a part of the Problem". The way this old South Georgia Redneck sees it is like this. Instead of complaining about the situation on an impotent Forum, why not go into the Community and offer your services in some meaningful way? Why not help them (those that can be helped) Adapt to their new environment,and assimilate instead of assassinate this new "species"(Nationality/Culture)? C'mon Kamiyama, You are an Intelligent Being,surely you could come up with something that would be Beneficial to the situation.

Granted not all of them can be helped, nor should all of them be helped,as some are undesirable in any nation. Those will eventually find their place by their own crimes- Jails, Institutions, or Death.

But those that can be.... Why not help them? You teach Martial Arts, I've visited your site. Why not teach the youth some good things from your experience. Things like Discipline, Morals, Perserverance in the face of adversity? You have the opportunity...take it.

[Kamiyama]

pocomoonskyeyes Sorry.. I will not take my life and give my life over to those who are trying to destroy mine.
Doesn't seem like survival to me.
It would be like handing over a loaded gun to a person who has invaded my home, property, community, town, city.. and asking them to use it on me so they can help them selves to what they like.
I feel they are helping them selves to what they like already without my help.
Point is I still have the loaded gun.
Yes, you are correct.
I am a trainer of warrior skills.
I do not teach kids or run a day care.. I teach warrior skills for survival.
The point of training is out lasting your oppressor and over coming their will to crush you.
Yes, I understand you have good intentions.. so why don't you take your time and teach them?
Good luck.
Yes, also with the good intentions please by all means take your time and use your pure unadulterated human decency to get them out of my community.

Yeah, sounds hateful.. doesn't it.. Well really it's not.. I feel it is like a rat problem.. So what would you do with a rat problem?

As a student of Buddhism I have always worked extremely hard towards my liberation, peace and happiness.
This is a sickness that is trying to over come my path.. invading my path with an illness that is preventing me from my happiness, peaceful living conditions and pushing the limits of compassion.

Ralph
DMTTofD

[oldsoldier]

I don't believe this thread was founded on the subject of grandmother or grandfather, mom or dad, legal immigration, racist, ancestors in general or any other legal human beings coming into America.

The thread is based on invaders or the invasion of America.
Invasion:
a hostile entry by an armed force into a country's territory, especially with the intention of conquering it
the arrival of large numbers of people or things at one time
a spoiling of something by interfering with it or taking some of it away
the arrival or spread of something that causes damage or harm
medicine the spread of disease-causing organisms or malignant cells in the body
botany the aggressive spread of a plant species in an area, stifling the growth of preexisting species

It was based on the people who are trashing, poisoning, killing off the wonderful American way of life, talking the benefits of the American who worked so hard for and paid their dues, taxes... work within the laws.. doing what is right and just.

Until you witness first hand the trashing, poisoning, killing off the wonderful American way of life you'll miss the point.

Some.. not all.. People think survival is wilderness.. eating wild foods.. making rope.. living out off the land.. etc.
Well.. hmmmmmm ok.

Ralph
DMTTofD

If What you say WAS a valid point. Which IMO it is far from it. As someone who is Cherokee Indian, I could use your point to say White man carry your INVADING, poisoning.trashing self back to whereever your ansestors came from. The mexican people have done no more to damage this wonderful country than you have or I have!! The only problem I have with them is I do not feel it is fair catering to them in the language department. Making people learn spanish rather than them learning english. Otherwise the few I have met and worked with on a few occasions were nice,decent,hardworking,people who only want to do the best they can for their families...... Hmmmm..... Sound familiar??

[2dumb2kwit]

Personally, I don't care who you are, or where you come from. That's not the measure of a man. How he acts, is.

Lets make this simple.
Legal= good.
Illegal=bad...P.O.S........criminal.

...and what do we need to do with criminals? I like some of Sherrif Joe's ideas.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/arpaio.asp

[crashdive123]

I Understand the arguments the folks are making. I too believe it is an invasion, as Kamiyama has stated. I do not fault those that are invading though. I do fault the government of the US for not closing our borders to illegal immigration. I do fault the government of the US for not resolving the problem of illegal immigration. I do fault the government of the US for providing programs and benefits to those that are in this country illegally to make it more attractive for them to stay. I do fault the government of the US for spending billions of $$$ of taxpayers money to provide these support programs. I do fault the government of the US for the higher health care costs that we all pay due to the flooding of the system with illegals. I could go on - but you get the idea.

[2dumb2kwit]

I Understand the arguments the folks are making. I too believe it is an invasion, as Kamiyama has stated. I do not fault those that are invading though. I do fault the government of the US for not closing our borders to illegal immigration. I do fault the government of the US for not resolving the problem of illegal immigration. I do fault the government of the US for providing programs and benefits to those that are in this country illegally to make it more attractive for them to stay. I do fault the government of the US for spending billions of $$$ of taxpayers money to provide these support programs. I do fault the government of the US for the higher health care costs that we all pay due to the flooding of the system with illegals. I could go on - but you get the idea.

Careful, crash. That kind of talk can get you labeled as a racist, right-wing extremist, wacko. LOL:innocent:

[pocomoonskyeyes]

OK let me put it like this.Maybe then you can understand. IF you are so dead set against "Invaders", then leave, Get out, vamoose go back to the land you are originally from. Because over 99.5% of the population statistics YOU provided would have to get out. Native Americans were only .46% of the total population. So I guess you are hating yourself as well. Destroying a beautiful land with the "Concrete Jungles" it has become today. You are effectively arguing your own existence in this country!!! Weird ain't it? You see when you think of it that way it doesn't seem fair does it? When you place yourself in the invader role(Which you are- No one invited you OR your Ancestors) It just ain't fair is it? Yet The True Native Citizens of this Nation are relegated to the less hospitable places called Reservations. Place your self in their/our shoes. Forced to accept the invaders lifestyle, their own religion OUTLAWED in a nation founded in part to escape religious persecution. Lied to,cheated at every turn, and made third class citizens at best. Maybe you are getting a dose of "Karma". Maybe the Genocide propagated against Native Americans, is next on their agenda for you. Seems absolutely fair and just to me. At least in the long run perspective.

This thread, to me, represents nothing more than false pride,and Bigotry. Think of me what you will, It doesn't matter one iota. Just keep on arguing against yourself, I find it humorous. And I am laughing, Perhaps you can't see the Irony of it all, I can.... This is the best joke of the day ever!!:clap::lol::lol::lol::lol:

All a matter of perspective really. You are on the inside looking out, try turning it around and think "Outside the box" . As a "Naturalized invader" you tend to think of yourself as "Native" which is incorrect. "Native" is reserved for the original inhabitants, not Immigrants OR their descendants.

[rwc1969]

There really is an invasion going on. I'm surprised more people don't realize this. Like I said before, I guess you won't until it's in your own backyard.

It is ironic that the Europeans invaded America. Did the native americans adapt? NO! Well, a few did. VERY FEW! They were extinguished. I feel that is very unfortunate bacause there way of life was the most true.

I have nothing against people coming here legally. It's the ones that want a free ride, break the law and attempt to undermine our way of life that bother me. If you hate Americans, as they are now called, then you shouldn't be here.

I have a real hard time relating illegal mexican immigrants to native americans. Their skin color may be similar but that;'s where it ends. There is no similarity between native americans and illegal mexican immigrants.

Is this the Great White Buffalo?

[pocomoonskyeyes]

There really is an invasion going on. I'm surprised more people don't realize this. Like I said before, I guess you won't until it's in your own backyard.

It is ironic that the Europeans invaded America. Did the native americans adapt? NO! Well, a few did. VERY FEW! They were extinguished. I feel that is very unfortunate bacause there way of life was the most true.
Are you Adapting? They weren't extinguished, they were exterminated like the pest to the invaders they were considered to be. America's embarassing Genocide Program that no one wants to admit,as History is written by the conquerors, right or wrong.
I have nothing against people coming here legally. It's the ones that want a free ride, break the law and attempt to undermine our way of life that bother me. If you hate Americans, as they are now called, then you shouldn't be here.
I am an American,as American as they come. I do not hate myself. I do dislike Arrogance.
I have a real hard time relating illegal mexican immigrants to native americans. Their skin color may be similar but that;'s where it ends. There is no similarity between native americans and illegal mexican immigrants.
How right you are!! There is no similarity to Immigrants of any Nationality,as Native Americans were here before the rest of the Ethnicities that came here. The similarity is with the Native American, and those that consider themselves as Natives of America (Notice I did not call them Native Americans). The similarity (2nd one) is with the Illegal Immigrants (invaders) and the Original Immigrants. Both invaded a land that was already occupied by another people and culture. These are the similarities!
Is this the Great White Buffalo?

Nothing to joke about. The Great White Buffalo has come, and was a symbol of the Circle of Life continuing to turn, and a new way of life being born. Also a return of events that have happened already,happening again.(My interpretation as pertaining to this Topic) All life is a Circle. Or Cycle if that helps.

You see it doesn't feel very good when the situation is reversed, now does it? That is my point. You complain when these attrocities are perpetrated on current residents. But that is exactly what the Original Immigrants (yours and my ancestors{I'm mixed Heritage}) did in the beginning! Which is more right and which is less wrong?

You see a few of my posts back I said I was going to play "Devil's Advocate" and present an alternative view, which I am. I do not like Laws being broken/not enforced any better than anyone else here. Quite simply ICE is not doing their job... Why? If half your effort was spent writing congress instead of this Forum that energy would be better spent, don't you think? No One here can do anything about the problem - Nothing! At least not directly AND legally. But there is an alternative. More of an alternative than the Native Americans had that is for certain!! As I said Earlier the cliché " If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem" Has a lot of truth to it as most cliché ' s do. My point is trying to get those concerned to become part of the solution. Until they do they are part of the problem. If I have ticked you off enough to put that energy into a letter to your governmental representation, then I have not wasted anything. I said earlier that this Forum is IMPOTENT in dealing with this problem,yet folks keep coming here and posting,instead of e-mailing those that CAN do something!! The IRONY is killing me!!:lol::lol::lol:

[Kamiyama]

Well yea ! Hoya.. well put...

Lets make this simple.
Legal= good.
Illegal=bad...P.O.S........criminal.


Ralph
DMTTofD

[rwc1969]

As I said; it is ironic, this situation we "americans?" now find ourselves in.

I honestly don't feel writing congress or other constituents makes much difference unless you have money or other consideration backing your words. It is a way to vent and I guess that is important in a society like ours. Otherwise the powers at be would have a much harder time keeping control of the situation.

We don't even hold them accountable for their actions. Until we do, it is a joke to think we are even close to being a democratic society of any shape or form. Perhaps that is the biggest invasion of all.

The Great White Buffalo part was not intended as a joke. I'm certainly not trying to offend, disagree, or agree with anyone here. I'm just expressing my point of view based on the experiences I have had.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

As I said; it is ironic, this situation we "americans?" now find ourselves in.

I honestly don't feel writing congress or other constituents makes much difference unless you have money or other consideration backing your words. It is a way to vent and I guess that is important in a society like ours. Otherwise the powers at be would have a much harder time keeping control of the situation.

We don't even hold them accountable for their actions. Until we do, it is a joke to think we are even close to being a democratic society of any shape or form. Perhaps that is the biggest invasion of all.

The Great White Buffalo part was not intended as a joke. I'm certainly not trying to offend, disagree, or agree with anyone here. I'm just expressing my point of view based on the experiences I have had.

That's cool, I just tried to apply it to the discussion.
You may be right,if JUST you write it won't do any good. But if you know 10 people that will write, and they each know 10 that will write and so on,and so on pretty soon it will be thousands and thousands writing. I don't think they can ignore everyone... Do you? Kamiyama is right about one thing, If nothing is done it will just get worse.
I must apologize to everyone for using the Native American analogy. But it just might bring about a little understanding of the situation. It seems that almost no one caught on to the fact that their population Has almost disappeared entirely. Forget about those of us that have some NA blood... How many full bloods are there? Wherever Kamiyama is, the population for NA was only.46%,Out of that how many Full bloods do you think there were? Maybe .00001% What do you think their original population percentage was?100% then 50%...25%...5%....1% on down to what probably .1% of the Total US population. Think about that, from 100% down to .1% Maybe even less. Don't stop there though,remember that they were formed into Tribes, Nations, and Clans. If the total Full blood Population is .1% what about Apaches for example maybe .0001%. Keep in mind I DO NOT have Exact numbers. I don't think anyone does. NA population goes by how many are registered NA. Some are half or less.

[finallyME]

So, what about all the legal citizens that are draining resources and invading my way of life?

(If that isn't trolly enough, I don't know what is)

[mountain mama]

finallyME, there is certainly room for more welfare reform in this country. But, if we can't even afford to take care of our own, what makes you think we can take care of everyone else too?

[SARKY]

Sorry to burst your bubble POCO but the latest theory is that it was the europeans that settled the north american continent before the asians come over from the west.
IT comes down to this, We either have laws or anarchy which do you want?
We are either a soverign nation or we are not, which do you want?
How many other countries would put up with this number of people flooding across their border? MEXICO DOESN"T!

[nell67]

OK let me put it like this.Maybe then you can understand. IF you are so dead set against "Invaders", then leave, Get out, vamoose go back to the land you are originally from. Because over 99.5% of the population statistics YOU provided would have to get out. Native Americans were only .46% of the total population. So I guess you are hating yourself as well. Destroying a beautiful land with the "Concrete Jungles" it has become today. You are effectively arguing your own existence in this country!!! Weird ain't it? You see when you think of it that way it doesn't seem fair does it? When you place yourself in the invader role(Which you are- No one invited you OR your Ancestors) It just ain't fair is it? Yet The True Native Citizens of this Nation are relegated to the less hospitable places called Reservations. Place your self in their/our shoes. Forced to accept the invaders lifestyle, their own religion OUTLAWED in a nation founded in part to escape religious persecution. Lied to,cheated at every turn, and made third class citizens at best. Maybe you are getting a dose of "Karma". Maybe the Genocide propagated against Native Americans, is next on their agenda for you. Seems absolutely fair and just to me. At least in the long run perspective.

This thread, to me, represents nothing more than false pride,and Bigotry. Think of me what you will, It doesn't matter one iota. Just keep on arguing against yourself, I find it humorous. And I am laughing, Perhaps you can't see the Irony of it all, I can.... This is the best joke of the day ever!!:clap::lol::lol::lol::lol:

All a matter of perspective really. You are on the inside looking out, try turning it around and think "Outside the box" . As a "Naturalized invader" you tend to think of yourself as "Native" which is incorrect. "Native" is reserved for the original inhabitants, not Immigrants OR their descendants.


Poco,you hit the nail on the head,this is NOT the land of the free,THIS is the land of the American Indian,who was murdered,raped,and herded like sheep into pens (reservations) so that those ILLEGAL aliens could turn this land into another Europe,because those people didn't fit in well where they come from.

All those crying about how unfair it is that the illegals are coming in and taking from those who where born here and worked all their lives for what they have,all I have to say is boofrickin'hoo,get a grip,and get over it.what goes around,comes around the world keeps spinning and you keep breathing,Thank God you are alive,many REAL Americans were not so lucky....

[2dumb2kwit]

Poco and nell,
I understand what you are saying, but it kind sounds like you think that 2 wrongs will make a right. Wouldn't it make more sense, to learn from the first wrong,and try not to let it happen again?

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Sorry to burst your bubble POCO but the latest theory is that it was the europeans that settled the north american continent before the asians come over from the west.
IT comes down to this, We either have laws or anarchy which do you want?
We are either a soverign nation or we are not, which do you want?
How many other countries would put up with this number of people flooding across their border? MEXICO DOESN"T!
Sarky I know that. But which one was here when it began to be settled? No one knows for sure what really happened with those first Europeans. Do you?

Poco and nell,
I understand what you are saying, but it kind sounds like you think that 2 wrongs will make a right. Wouldn't it make more sense, to learn from the first wrong,and try not to let it happen again?

2D2K In almost every post I have made in this thread, somewhere, if you look you will see that I have made some reference to 1)Either the Law being enforced. Or 2)my being Critical of those agents/Agencies responsible for the enforcement of these Laws. I agree Lock up all the Law breakers! I don't care which side of the Border they are originally from. I don't care what their skin color is. I don't care which Socio-Economic group they are from. I don't care what_________ (fill in the blank) they are from. If they break the Law they should be punished Equally.... Period.

[2dumb2kwit]

2D2K In almost every post I have made in this thread, somewhere, if you look you will see that I have made some reference to 1)Either the Law being enforced. Or 2)my being Critical of those agents/Agencies responsible for the enforcement of these Laws. I agree Lock up all the Law breakers! I don't care which side of the Border they are originally from. I don't care what their skin color is. I don't care which Socio-Economic group they are from. I don't care what_________ (fill in the blank) they are from. If they break the Law they should be punished Equally.... Period.

I didn't mean it to sound like I'm giving you a hard time, I was just making a point. The NA's were done wrong, by the whites, but it wasn't me. I wasn't here then, but I can learn from history.

Do you think that if you could go back in time, and ask NA leaders if they should have done things differently, they would say "We should have welcomed them and done as they said", or do you think they would say "We should have taken care of this before it got out of control"?

And yes.....we agree about the law. :innocent:

[pocomoonskyeyes]

I didn't mean it to sound like I'm giving you a hard time, I was just making a point. The NA's were done wrong, by the whites, but it wasn't me. I wasn't here then, but I can learn from history.

Do you think that if you could go back in time, and ask NA leaders if they should have done things differently, they would say "We should have welcomed them and done as they said", or do you think they would say "We should have taken care of this before it got out of control"?

And yes.....we agree about the law. :innocent:

Man I never thought you were giving me a hard time, not once did that thought enter my mind. Since I know this is a tricky topic, I am trying to be as clear as possible regardless of who I respond to. If I think you or anyone else might have missed my intent I am trying to be as clear as I can. Because of this almost every post to this thread has been rather lengthy. I didn't take offense at what SARKY said either! You Guys are my friends for goodness sake!!
I will admit I have been a Smart A$$ in some of these posts. But I did it to make a point,not to make anyone mad. I said I was going to play Devil's Advocate(taking the unpopular point of view) And I think I did that pretty well. Some might be mad at me, but I hope I offered another point of view. If someone doesn't play the Devil's Advocate, next thing you know you have a Lynch Mob. Things usually go Downhill pretty fast from there.Someone wants to go out and be the next DC sniper or go Postal or some such. At least they can focus their anger on me.... and hopefully stay out of jail a little longer.

[2dumb2kwit]

OK, Poco...don't try to be too nice. You saw what happened to Barney, on the song of the day thread! LOL:innocent:

Poor Barney.

[panch0]

I didn't mean it to sound like I'm giving you a hard time, I was just making a point. The NA's were done wrong, by the whites, but it wasn't me. I wasn't here then, but I can learn from history.

Do you think that if you could go back in time, and ask NA leaders if they should have done things differently, they would say "We should have welcomed them and done as they said", or do you think they would say "We should have taken care of this before it got out of control"?

And yes.....we agree about the law. :innocent:

Very good point. I had not looked at it that way.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

OK, Poco...don't try to be too nice. You saw what happened to Barney, on the song of the day thread! LOL:innocent:

Poor Barney.

No I missed that. But I'm glad I did , I can't stand Barney!

[LostOutrider]

On my mother's side, I'm only a third generation American. The product of a wave of immigrants very similar in essence to the tsunami we're getting from Mexico right now - the only difference being scale. Poor, uneducated peasants from Sicily, along with the poor, uneducated peasants from the rest of Europe. They talked funny, ate funny foods, didn't value education, were a drain on good, honest, hardworkin' Amuricans (read 'white, middle-class folk'), had frightening amounts of organized crime, and generally were just different. They were "taking jobs" from all sorts of folk, even blacks in the South because they would work for less. Wasn't long before the US passed laws that effectively stopped that wave of immigration. Luckily, my great-grandparents made it off the boat legally before that happened.

Assimilation and Americanization didn't take long for Italian-Americans. Just a couple of generations, really. As the children became educated through the public school system, they tended to climb into the middle class and their children would go even farther.

A few years ago marked the centennial of my great-grandparents' arrival, so to celebrate it we got together as many descendants as we could into one place. Drove down to Alabama where many of them still live because of the steel mills. Oh man, the food . . the stories . . . the pictures. When about a hundred, maybe hundred twenty of us were all crammed into this room someone silenced the crowd and asked everyone to sit down. She then asked for folks to stand up if they served in the Armed Forces . . then to raise hands if any were teachers, police officers, EMTs, firemen, other areas that serve the public. I didn't get a chance to count the number of hands, but all over the room. Active, retired. Newly entered, on their way out. This one family has given far, far more back to this country than the two scared and poor immigrants ever took.

I think of this when I work in schools that are straining under the weight of these huddled masses yearning to be free. There are some striking similarities in the Italian immigration and the Mexican immigration. The assimilation is impossible to see, though, because so many newcomers come over in such huge numbers. What gains are made by second and third generation Mexican-Americans are lost in the mass numbers of uneducated peasants still flowing across the border.

Clinging nervously to your flag and your gun and trembling about invasions won't do a bit of good. You know enough of history to see how this sort of thing always plays out. The whole myth of "your America" was nothing more than a marketing slogan they used to sell you pick-ups and country music CDs. What is beautiful and hopeful about our America is that she has always been a country to take in the unwanted and give them a chance to rise.

[Ole WV Coot]

Well, since the best defense is a good offence I'm going into KY for the day and visit relatives, everyone in three counties. I will try and convince them to stay on their side of the river. Maybe even get a few to move South. I can guarantee if a few will you can forget any border traffic except all the folks heading into Mexico. Problem solved.

[Pal334]

Lostoutrider: "What is beautiful and hopeful about our America is that she has always been a country to take in the unwanted and give them a chance to rise"

Very well said. That is the United States of America!

[SARKY]

On my mother's side, I'm only a third generation American. The product of a wave of immigrants very similar in essence to the tsunami we're getting from Mexico right now - the only difference being scale. Poor, uneducated peasants from Sicily, along with the poor, uneducated peasants from the rest of Europe. They talked funny, ate funny foods, didn't value education, were a drain on good, honest, hardworkin' Amuricans (read 'white, middle-class folk'), had frightening amounts of organized crime, and generally were just different. They were "taking jobs" from all sorts of folk, even blacks in the South because they would work for less. Wasn't long before the US passed laws that effectively stopped that wave of immigration. Luckily, my great-grandparents made it off the boat legally before that happened.

Assimilation and Americanization didn't take long for Italian-Americans. Just a couple of generations, really. As the children became educated through the public school system, they tended to climb into the middle class and their children would go even farther.

A few years ago marked the centennial of my great-grandparents' arrival, so to celebrate it we got together as many descendants as we could into one place. Drove down to Alabama where many of them still live because of the steel mills. Oh man, the food . . the stories . . . the pictures. When about a hundred, maybe hundred twenty of us were all crammed into this room someone silenced the crowd and asked everyone to sit down. She then asked for folks to stand up if they served in the Armed Forces . . then to raise hands if any were teachers, police officers, EMTs, firemen, other areas that serve the public. I didn't get a chance to count the number of hands, but all over the room. Active, retired. Newly entered, on their way out. This one family has given far, far more back to this country than the two scared and poor immigrants ever took.

I think of this when I work in schools that are straining under the weight of these huddled masses yearning to be free. There are some striking similarities in the Italian immigration and the Mexican immigration. The assimilation is impossible to see, though, because so many newcomers come over in such huge numbers. What gains are made by second and third generation Mexican-Americans are lost in the mass numbers of uneducated peasants still flowing across the border.

Clinging nervously to your flag and your gun and trembling about invasions won't do a bit of good. You know enough of history to see how this sort of thing always plays out. The whole myth of "your America" was nothing more than a marketing slogan they used to sell you pick-ups and country music CDs. What is beautiful and hopeful about our America is that she has always been a country to take in the unwanted and give them a chance to rise.

Congrats, But they came here legally and assimilated, correct? As did my ancestors as i am 2nd gen native born. Why most of you can't grasp the nation that this is indeed an invasion is beyond me. My wife being of mexican heritage gets all the damm literature from these groups who want to reclaim the land for Mexico (it wasn't Mexico's back then, it was Spainish territory) The govt. of mexico prints pamphlets on how to cross the border, which organizations to contact once they get here in order to use OUR services. This is about facts not quivering in the corner clutching a gun and a bible. How do i know that the Mexician govt. is promoting this? The wifes family still lives in Mexico and when we visit they show me the pamphlets and the false history in their history books. Did we as a country do bad and stupid things during our growth HELL YES! But at least to so extent we've tried to right that wrong. And now some of you are OK with 2 wrongs making it all right.

[nell67]

Congrats, But they came here legally and assimilated, correct? As did my ancestors as i am 2nd gen native born. Why most of you can't grasp the nation that this is indeed an invasion is beyond me. My wife being of mexican heritage gets all the damm literature from these groups who want to reclaim the land for Mexico (it wasn't Mexico's back then, it was Spainish territory) The govt. of mexico prints pamphlets on how to cross the border, which organizations to contact once they get here in order to use OUR services. This is about facts not quivering in the corner clutching a gun and a bible. How do i know that the Mexician govt. is promoting this? The wifes family still lives in Mexico and when we visit they show me the pamphlets and the false history in their history books. Did we as a country do bad and stupid things during our growth HELL YES! But at least to so extent we've tried to right that wrong. And now some of you are OK with 2 wrongs making it all right.
I never said what was happening was right,it is just a prolonged continuation of what happend many years ago,only difference is now it is happening to US not something we read about in the history books,but happening now,and the shoe doesn't fit so well,not water or blood under the bridge because it happened so long ago,but rather because we are feeling the impact of it on a first hand basis,much like our forefathers felt so long ago.Now we have a "system" that is supposed to protect us from what is happening,and turns out for enough money that system is blind.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Congrats, But they came here legally and assimilated, correct? As did my ancestors as i am 2nd gen native born. Why most of you can't grasp the nation that this is indeed an invasion is beyond me. My wife being of mexican heritage gets all the damm literature from these groups who want to reclaim the land for Mexico (it wasn't Mexico's back then, it was Spainish territory) The govt. of mexico prints pamphlets on how to cross the border, which organizations to contact once they get here in order to use OUR services. This is about facts not quivering in the corner clutching a gun and a bible. How do i know that the Mexician govt. is promoting this? The wifes family still lives in Mexico and when we visit they show me the pamphlets and the false history in their history books. Did we as a country do bad and stupid things during our growth HELL YES! But at least to so extent we've tried to right that wrong. And now some of you are OK with 2 wrongs making it all right.
SARKY I have no doubt you are relaying FACTS. I don't doubt what you and Kamiyama are telling us is true. I am Trying to get people to do what they can and should do Legally. Many "Grass roots organizations" have succeeded in efforts with our Government. There is something I heard when I attended a seminar years ago called "the undertakers law".
It went something like this- If you fail at pleasing a customer they know at least 10 people they will tell. Who in turn know 10 people they will tell. So in effect by failing just one customer you now have a bad rep with 100 people.
So in a letter writing campaign if you can get just 10 people to spread the word and write the government you now have 1000 writing. If they in turn spread the word multiply by a hundred and so on. What I AM saying is that writing about it here is NOT a solution. It does absolutely nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch. If it is such a dire situation to you do something.This Forum is not the place,even if there are many like minded individuals. The laws DEFINITELY need to be enforced. We can't enforce them,or cause them to be enforced. We are not the ones you need to be writing to about this situation. However the concern HAS been raised and those here that are so inclined can join in in an effort to have something be done. I can't keep saying this over and over. This may very well be the last time I even respond to this thread. I keep saying the same thing over and over but it isn't good enough. I've offered the same advice several times and different ways. That is the best I can do. Apparently it isn't good enough. I've even tried Ticking you off to put the energy into such a campaign, to no avail. This Forum and I are not the solution to the problem! I've given the best answers I can.

[LostOutrider]

Silly poco. Shaking your fist and complaining on the internet is so much easier than, you know, doing something to make the situation better.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Silly poco. Shaking your fist and complaining on the internet is so much easier than, you know, doing something to make the situation better.

I almost expected you to say "Trix are for kids" !!!

[SARKY]

POCO, that would work if the politicians, first believed that they work for US and second didn't think that they were smarter than US. Thirdly, if they didn't just plain dispise US.

[panch0]

POCO, that would work if the politicians, first believed that they work for US and second didn't think that they were smarter than US. Thirdly, if they didn't just plain dispise US.

I agree 100%

[pocomoonskyeyes]

POCO, that would work if the politicians, first believed that they work for US and second didn't think that they were smarter than US. Thirdly, if they didn't just plain dispise US.


I agree 100%

You know... I hate to say it but I agree as well. But what alternative do we have?

If the system doesn't work,we have to MAKE it work. I won't lie I despise politics. I think I would rather be boiled in oil with Bubonic Plague and every conceivable malady known to man, than get involved with politics,That only starts to touch the surface of my ill feelings toward them. I think... no I won't say that.... I'll just say that being a politician would be the WORST thing that could happen to me. That is how much I despise that profession. But They chose that job,it is their job and we all have to make them start doing their job. Otherwise they are the worst free loaders of all!!

[crashdive123]

All the more reason that we do not discuss it here.

[LostOutrider]

For something not discussed here, it sure seems to show up an awful lot.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Gotcha'... Folks sorry but I'm done here. Nothing more to be said from me that I haven't already said, If you are looking for a response from me just re-read one that I've already posted. poco-Out!

[crashdive123]

For something not discussed here, it sure seems to show up an awful lot.

It does from time to time. So far this one has tip toed along the line, but has not crossed it IMO. If and when it does, it will be locked.

[2dumb2kwit]

Well....we can sit here and complain about politicians, or we can get everyone that we know, to go out and vote those sorry politicians out of office.

[LostOutrider]

Surely that is a sign of the impending apocalypse. Grab your bug out bags and wake the kids. I agree with 2d.

[BENESSE]

After its all said and done, more has been said than done.

Let's get real--NObody cares enough to do anything about it.
For now. We're too busy worrying about socialized medicine.

[Kamiyama]

I disagree and I feel mindfulness is the key.

As a Buddhist it is said as such.. awareness is the seed of compassion.

I feel if you have concerns or care about your basic survival you should awaken the "light" in every person you meet regarding to the issues of your freedom and survival.

Saying this.. I take responsibility to do so everyday.. as well as train others in being more mindful and wiling and ready to deal with the crisis.

What type or kind of goals do you set out to get done each day regarding your basic survival?

If not for your survival then how about the younger people who have their head so far up the computer's rear side they can't even think for themselves?

Ralph
DMTTofD

[LostOutrider]

Let's get real--NObody cares enough to do anything about it.


Nothing at all real about that statement. There are countless people working right now across the country to educate, medicate, & assist in the assimilation of immigrants and their families. Folks volunteering as translators and adult literacy tutor . . . teachers going back to school for graduate-level degrees in how to teach English to speakers of other languages so that they know what to do with a 13-yr-old who just arrived in the country yesterday, speaks no English, but is sitting in a 7th grade classroom now.

[BENESSE]

Nothing at all real about that statement. There are countless people working right now across the country to educate, medicate, & assist in the assimilation of immigrants and their families. Folks volunteering as translators and adult literacy tutor . . . teachers going back to school for graduate-level degrees in how to teach English to speakers of other languages so that they know what to do with a 13-yr-old who just arrived in the country yesterday, speaks no English, but is sitting in a 7th grade classroom now.

You are right about that.
I was actually referring (facetiously) to securing our border and enforcing the law--the original point of this thread, I think.

[Rick]

If not for your survival then how about the younger people who have their head so far up the computer's rear side they can't even think for themselves?

I confess my readings of Gautama Buddha are limited but I've never seen that line written in anything I've read. Probably my lack of study on the subject.


Let's get real--NObody cares enough to do anything about it.
For now. We're too busy worrying about socialized medicine.

I agree with LO on this. I see folks volunteering every day. It's easy peasy to do. I'm not aware of any non-profit that turns away volunteers. Pick the problem of your choice and spend some time with them. Karma is a wonderful thing.

As for socialized medicine...it's the "fear topic" of the day. When it slides to the back shelf there will be something else to take its place. We always find something to rant about. Personally, I don't understand why more folks aren't disturbed about clothing that mysteriously shrinks when you get it home. That's just not right in my book.

[BENESSE]

I don't understand why more folks aren't disturbed about clothing that mysteriously shrinks when you get it home. That's just not right in my book.

I can help there.
Skip the triple whopper and fries on the way home and see if that does the trick.

[Rick]

Now how in the world would that.....wait a minute.....you don't think that......naaaaaw.

[nell67]

Now how in the world would that.....wait a minute.....you don't think that......naaaaaw.

I think she called you chubby,but I could be wrong!:tongue_smilie::sneaky2:

[Rick]

Not chubby. Cuddly. There's a difference you know.

[BENESSE]

Now how in the world would that.....wait a minute.....you don't think that......naaaaaw.

Just a stab in the dark, Rick. May not work for everyone.
In fact...oh, never mind.

[nell67]

Not chubby. Cuddly. There's a difference you know.

kinda like me,I'm not fat,I'm fluffy!

[BENESSE]

Stout 'n husky?

[Rick]

Or.....routy touty. Your choice.

[crashdive123]

You guys.......it's just a fashion trend that some of us older folks have started.


Bell-bottom shirts.

[BENESSE]

Tents.
Not just for camping any more.
Wear one home, today!

[nell67]

You guys.......it's just a fashion trend that some of us older folks have started.


Bell-bottom shirts.
Pssst,it's flared now Crash,the terminology has changed,bell-bottom is ssssoooooo yesteryear!

[crashdive123]

I still remember the guy that wore the first pair of bell bottom pants to school in our town. He was sent home for the day. Within a week or two a lot of people were wearing them. Nobody else got sent home.

[2dumb2kwit]

Personally, I don't understand why more folks aren't disturbed about clothing that mysteriously shrinks when you get it home.


I can help there.
Skip the triple whopper and fries on the way home and see if that does the trick.

*Snort, Snicker, Snort*:innocent:

[trax]

Will we survive?

Has anyone ever seen a documentary on how to survive the invasion?
Here in Dallas the invaders are now about 2 1/2 to everyone of us..

I don't ever hear or see much if anything on this silent war going on..

Ralph
DMTTofD

Maybe you should all go ask the Indians what they've done over the last 500 years, some of them survived....just sayin'...

[Rick]

Wait a minute. Did he mean the U.S. southern border or the Canadian southern border? I don't think it's too much of an invasion at the Canadian southern border. I've dealt with their border folks and they are just generally nasty folks.

Hiring manager: "And how would you rate your overall attitude?"
Candidate: "Attitude? Are you accusing me of having an attitude? Sir, I need you to step out from behind that desk. I'll need to search each of the drawers and the file cabinets. Of course, you'll have to put everything back when I'm through."
Hiring manager smiling: "Excellent."

[BENESSE]

Maybe you should all go ask the Indians what they've done over the last 500 years, some of them survived....just sayin'...

I have a feeling that's not the kind of survival most folks here are
gonna be looking for.

Why not ask the Afghanis?
They've got a few centuries under their belt.

[trax]

I have a feeling that's not the kind of survival most folks here are
gonna be looking for.

which is rather ironic given the name of the forum,.... that's what you get for invading in the first place

[Rick]

Hey! We didn't come as conquers. We came as liberators.

[BENESSE]

which is rather ironic given the name of the forum,.... that's what you get for invading in the first place

History does tend to repeat itself with some regularity, all over the world.
You just pay attention more when it's in your own back yard.

[BENESSE]

Hey! We didn't come as conquers. We came as liberators.

We're lovers not fighters, right Rick?

[nell67]

I have a feeling that's not the kind of survival most folks here are
gonna be looking for.

Why not ask the Afghanis?
They've got a few centuries under their belt.
My guess is the Indians that were here before white man put his foot on the soil were here for around that long as well,this IS a wilderness survival site,not a sand dune survival site.

[BENESSE]

My guess is the Indians that were here before white man put his foot on the soil were here for around that long as well,this IS a wilderness survival site,not a sand dune survival site.

Oh, OK.
I must have misunderstood the point of this particular thread.
Don't mind me, I'm still looking for the ladies room.

[nell67]

Oh, OK.
I must have misunderstood the point of this particular thread.
Don't mind me, I'm still looking for the ladies room.


It's behind that tree over there...

[trax]

Hey! We didn't come as conquers. We came as liberators.

Well that's good to know, we're all feeling quite liberated now! You can all go home!

[Rick]

(whistles shrilly) Okay everybody!! Out of the pool. Time to pack up!

[lucznik]

Hey they don't speak Spanish.
Hello.. it is Mexican.
Not Spanish.
Research..
People who do speak Spanish will tell you to your face.. it is not Spanish.
Not that that matters..
Every thing in the local area is written in Mexican.


Sorry Kamiyama, but you're wrong.

I speak Spanish. I have a bachelors degree in Spanish. I even provide Spanish language translation services to my local hospital, both city Police departments, the county Sheriff's department, and the county jail. We have a large percentage of Mexican immigrants (both legal and otherwise) who come here for work (mostly as sheep herders).

They speak Spanish.

It is a different dialect of Spanish than you would see in Spain, or in Argentina, or in Chile, or in any other Spanish speaking country, but it is still Spanish.

We see similar kinds of dialectic differences with English speaking people. The English we speak here in Wyoming is somewhat different than is spoken in the deep South, or in the North East of our country. It is certainly materially different than what is spoken in England, or Ireland, etc. But it's all still English.

Monolingual people especially really should refrain from passing judgment about the intricacies of languages they don't speak.

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