estimating time

[wareagle69]

the mapping thread got me thinking of this
the other day when i was out with allen, he asked me what time it was, one thing is i never wear a watch, stupid cell phone has made that useless to me, except when i head out in the bush my watch would be much better served, so we do the old how many fists to the horizon and came up with five, sun down is around 8:00 or so. that would make it around three right, which oddly enough did not "feel" right to me so a trick allen taught to me was then to subtravt i hour off of that time, we was at a high point in the little mt range so we pulled out his gps and finally got service and sure as heck it work 2:00 pm, he said to try the same this with range estimation, he said people usually overestimate range so cut in half what one usually says, now i know some are real good at it and you must take that into account but most folks are not, so know who you are talking to

[pocomoonskyeyes]

You know the funny thing WE? When I was a young kid I never needed a watch, I knew what time it was. Somebody would ask, I would say it's about a quarter after 1. it would be about 20 after. Then I got a watch and I lost that ability, I guess because of Mental laziness? But back then I was never more than 10 minutes off day or night. I wish I could regain that skill.

[your_comforting_company]

Last night someone asked me what time it was and I said "judging by the position of the sun, it's a quarter to 12." it was 11:47 lol. It's always funny when u do it at night. I dunno how I got the ability to tell time. never much cared for a watch. I dont know any of the time-telling tricks. I just look up and guess at it lol.
I'm interested to hear more of the time-telling tricks. usually with range, i'm way off so I'd like to hear some of those tips too!
my grandad used to say "if the sun's up, its time to get up. If it's down, its time to go to bed" lol. if it was straight overhead it was time to eat dinner. mmm dinner.

[ClayPick]

Knowing the suns declination at high noon would help with the time of year. It would make the fists to the horizon even more accurate.

[Winnie]

I seem to have a pretty good internal clock, I can usually guesstimate the time to within 15 minutes or so. I only wear a watch if I'm going somewhere and need to be more specific about time.

[Rick]

I posted on this earlier. I must have failed to hit Post. I hate when I do that.

Not to get all academic on you but there is a great formula for estimating just about anything. It's called the Pert formula and it looks like...


(Optimistic Estimate + (4 times Most Likely Estimate) + Pessimistic Estimate)

divided by 6

Let's assume you think it might be 3 o'clock. You very best (optimistic) guess is it's 2:30 and at worst (pessimistic) you think it might be 3:30. Your formula would look like


(2.5 + (4 X 3) + 3.5)

divided by 6


(2.5 + 12 + 3.5)

divided by 6


18


divided by 6


The time is 3:00 0'clock


In this case, the answer matched the estimate but it doesn't always. You'll be amazed at how accurate it is. It's used in project management all the time. You can use it to estimate distance, number of hours required for a project, number of tons of rock needed, etc., etc.,

[2dumb2kwit]

Here is a formula, that I often refer to.
(Just kidding, Winnie!)

[RangerXanatos]

While that is a nice formula and all, I am partial to this one.

http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/misc/1442%5B1%5D.jpg

[2dumb2kwit]

While that is a nice formula and all, I am partial to this one.


Ah, yes. A fine formula, indead, but your formula only explains how the bait works, where as mine shows the danger of the trap. LOL:innocent:

[RangerXanatos]

Ah, yes. A fine formula, indead, but your formula only explains how the bait works, where as mine shows the danger of the trap. LOL:innocent:

Touche. Lol.

[Rick]

If this serves as any example it's a wonder we made it to the moon. One scientist working on the issue and two playing. That's just wrong I tell ya.

[crashdive123]

Typical government bureaucracy.

[Rick]

Zactly. Now I have to determine if I should be a whistle blower or simply set up a pinhole camera and let them hang themselves.

[crashdive123]

Or promote them to the next higher pay grade, give them asolutely nothing to do that could interfere with the project, and tell them what a wonderful job they are doing.

[Rick]

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/homer_doh.jpg

[oldsoldier]

I posted on this earlier. I must have failed to hit Post. I hate when I do that.

Not to get all academic on you but there is a great formula for estimating just about anything. It's called the Pert formula and it looks like...


(Optimistic Estimate + (4 times Most Likely Estimate) + Pessimistic Estimate)

divided by 6

Let's assume you think it might be 3 o'clock. You very best (optimistic) guess is it's 2:30 and at worst (pessimistic) you think it might be 3:30. Your formula would look like


(2.5 + (4 X 3) + 3.5)

divided by 6


(2.5 + 12 + 3.5)

divided by 6


18


divided by 6


The time is 3:00 0'clock


In this case, the answer matched the estimate but it doesn't always. You'll be amazed at how accurate it is. It's used in project management all the time. You can use it to estimate distance, number of hours required for a project, number of tons of rock needed, etc., etc.,






:huh:Say what???

[oly]

:huh:Say what???

Day light saveing time silly

[Rick]

Where did I mess you up?

[oly]

The nominator and the denominator:)

[Pict]

OK, so I'm scrolling down this thread just taking a glance and came across that formula. I stink at math but some things I know by instinct. Mac

[Rick]

Zactly. But if you don't know it by instinct...

[2dumb2kwit]

Huh......Looks to me like, if Rick and Crash had been working, instead of yacking about what RX and I were doing, they'd have gotten alot more done.:innocent:

[crashdive123]

Huh......Looks to me like, if Rick and Crash had been working, instead of yacking about what RX and I were doing, they'd have gotten alot more done.:innocent:

Union yacking break. The last negotiated contract requires 11 per day.

[Jeepman]

For me when I go in the field the time Is not in my mind. There is day time and night time only. I try to get away from the world all that I can out there.

[Rick]

I don't think this is privileged information. This is the official Moderator work schedule:

8-10 a.m. Review logon procedures and ensure mouse and keyboard are still attached.
10-11 a.m. Coffee break
11-12Noon Double check to ensure monitor power light is lit.
12-1 lunch
1-5 Everyone knows moderators don't do anything after lunch.

[wareagle69]

For me when I go in the field the time Is not in my mind. There is day time and night time only. I try to get away from the world all that I can out there.

not evryone has that luxory. but knowing time serves a few options, one knowing how much tiime is left before haveing to stop and make camp for the day, also when on a timeline, like the wife expects you home by 1500 then its good to know time, like i said before i do not carry a watch and where i live when i head not far into the bush my cell phone no longer has reception meaning also no time

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