What SHTF scenario are you least prepared for?

[BENESSE]

Considering the state of the planet, the world, our country and your own predicament in life, what do you fear the most?

[SARKY]

The super volcanos under YellowStone and in New Mexico going off and an Asteroid impact close by. The rest i can manage one way or another.

[doug1980]

I am not prepared for any long lasting disaster at all. So anything longer than a couple weeks would be devastating. And of course the End of the World but I don't bother preparing for that.

[2dumb2kwit]

I am not at all prepared, for this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2cLmbCyzhE

[BENESSE]

I am not at all prepared, for this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2cLmbCyzhE


That's easy.
Start small and work your way up.

[finallyME]

My daughter turning 16! :eek2: :eek2: :sweatingbullets: :sweatingbullets::sweatingbullets: :no: :no: :noway:

She is 8, so I have a few years to prepare. Now, where is that custom sniper rifle shop? I might need to make a purchase. :m107::m107::m107:

[Winnie]

I am not at all prepared, for this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2cLmbCyzhE

I thought you said you were TALL and ruggedly handsome?have you been exagerating again?

[oldsoldier]

The super volcanos under YellowStone and in New Mexico going off and an Asteroid impact close by. The rest i can manage one way or another.

That and a terrorist attack using a dirty bomb when I/we are away from the BOV. That or an "incident" lasting more than 6 months.

[marylp]

:no::no:The thought of being without electricity is terrifying to me. I don't worry about lighting, refridgeration and so forth. Of course they are needed, dont get me wrong. But the one thing that keeps me up at night is the thought of being with out air conditioning. I can't stand the heat! I am a MAJOR WIMP! FOR HEAT. It seems it is easier to prepare for freezing weather than the 112 deg. we had in May, June, July. Sometimes the heat index was 116. After work, the temp in my car was 126! I cannot even sleep in my bed if the room isn't a good 73 deg atleast. Seems I was born with hot flashes because I am not menopausal yet :blushing:, !!

[BENESSE]

:no::no:The thought of being without electricity is terrifying to me. I don't worry about lighting, refridgeration and so forth. Of course they are needed, dont get me wrong. But the one thing that keeps me up at night is the thought of being with out air conditioning. I can't stand the heat! I am a MAJOR WIMP! FOR HEAT. It seems it is easier to prepare for freezing weather than the 112 deg. we had in May, June, July. Sometimes the heat index was 116. After work, the temp in my car was 126! I cannot even sleep in my bed if the room isn't a good 73 deg atleast. Seems I was born with hot flashes because I am not menopausal yet :blushing:, !!

I can relate.
Several years ago we were caught in a black-out for 48 hrs affecting the whole eastern seaboard and parts of Canada. It was August and it was hotter than Hades. But we had water, food and we were at home.
A film ran through my head at the time of how much worse it could be so I started my prep list then and there. And I haven't stopped.

[crashdive123]

Considering the state of the planet, the world, our country and your own predicament in life, what do you fear the most?

Admittedly I do a lot of preparations. I prepare for events that I feel are likely to happen. I don't fear any of them, but rather respect the potential harm that they can do - that's why I prepare.

[oly]

My daughter turning 16! :eek2: :eek2: :sweatingbullets: :sweatingbullets::sweatingbullets: :no: :no: :noway:

She is 8, so I have a few years to prepare. Now, where is that custom sniper rifle shop? I might need to make a purchase. :m107::m107::m107:

When my daughter was thirteen her head turned around about three times and then she was OK for about 15min.

[Pal334]

I may not be the brightest bulb in the box, but I fear very little for me. Now my major SHTF concern, is a collapse of our electrical grid, or major portions of it. I won't bore you with the potential scenarios, but suffice it to say that the implications, long term are significant. I believe that I am prepared enough for up to one month without electric, but more than that would have severe impacts on society that can not be properly prepared for in an area like I am in.

[wareagle69]

i agree, what really put me into motion again after sitting in a lull was the 2003 blackout, before then i was mindlessly going thru the motions, but if a long term power outage, a month or more will devastate the economy and most households as far as food and otherwise

[Pal334]

Oneof the things that real concerns me is the "just in time" inventory system. I will just refer to parts that I am aware of (undoubtably many more of equal or greater importance). Transformers, there just are not enough available for widespread damage replacement, and manufacturing capacity would take time to ramp up. The computer system vulnerabilities of "the grid" have been documented. Also documented are the "fixes" being made. Fact is, they are not being made at a rate that will mitigate the problem for years to come. Many of the computers for the grid are so old, nothing can be done with them except replacing them. And that isn't going to happen until something serious happens.

[Rick]

Pal - You can put your mind somewhat at rest. We have some linemen on here so they can back me on this.

Anytime a large scale disaster hits there are not enough piece parts available via manufacturing. However, there are a LOT of transformers and other materials sitting in the yards of power companies all over the country. Just think how many transformers (aerial and ground based) bit the dust during Katrina. Not just NO but all along the Gulf Coast. Poles, cables, transformers, hardware, everything that was needed was brought in from all over the country. If you've never seen a convoy of power company trucks en route to a disaster, it's a pretty amazing site. My brother-in-law has some pictures that he took working storm breaks that look like military convoys. They stretched for as far as you could see.

I really don't fear that. I know how utilities stock pile gear and I know it's available if needed.

Benesse - You asked a great question. I guess my biggest fear is probably an accident at a nuclear generating facility. They have an incredible safety record but there are many over 30 years old. Illinois has about 17 reactor sites and that puts me downwind from most of them. You can't see the radioactive material so you don't know when you are safe or not. I guess I fear what I can't see.

[oldsoldier]

Benesse - You asked a great question. I guess my biggest fear is probably an accident at a nuclear generating facility. I guess I fear what I can't see.

Come on Rick tell the truth your worse fear is that they will quit making twinkies:innocent:

[Rick]

Is that possible? Wait! Is it? That can happen? Is Hostess Cakes still open? Anyone have the consumer hotline? AAaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

[wareagle69]

[QUOTE=Rick. I guess I fear what I can't see.[/QUOTE]

thats right, at least you finally admit it, dance monkey dance:online2long:

[Rick]

Ha! Ha! The jokes on you. We practice two nights a week.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/865433/dancing_monkeys/

[Sourdough]

what do you fear the most?



Golden Hoards...........

[Ole WV Coot]

Rick is right about utilities. Many stockpiles and those convoys are familiar to all of us that
have gone to work being told "don't know where you will be, how long you will be gone, you can call home when you get there". Once flew in an entire central office that was flooded beyond repair so that's just an inconvenience everything important as hospitals, emergency services have generators in place. I am not prepared to be stranded in the desert nor the far North.

[glockcop]

Zombie apocalypse or a Radical Dictator. Oh, wait.... I guess the zombies are next :). Keep your weapon close and be safe.

[Rick]

What about a radical dictator controlling a zombie apocalypse? See? There are worse things.

Sourdough - I tend to agree. A very real threat and a very costly one to combat.

[glockcop]

What about a radical dictator controlling a zombie apocalypse? See? There are worse things.

Sourdough - I tend to agree. A very real threat and a very costly one to combat.

Rick, your reply caused me to think about our current state of affairs. In the classical sense a zombie is defined not as the walking, rotting dead but as a "mindless drone under the control of a powerful person". Apparently the U.S.A. has alot of those "mindless drones under control of a powerful person". It appears that we are already smack in the middle of my "Radical dictator and zombie" senario. My post was originally posted as a joke but upon further reflection....Hmmm.....There may be something to it. Men, head for the high ground. The zombies have overun our position :rambo:. Yall be safe.

P.S. Notice I did not name any particular person/persons. I didn't want to make this too political. Draw your own conclusions.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

zyeswsss master Rick I get Danish...(people and pastry-Ieat the people you eat Danishshshs)....Not get twinkies nos twinkie peoples....

[your_comforting_company]

I'm least prepared for nuclear fallout and volcanic winter. People cannot survive underground for the length of time it would take for the air to clear. Then theres the contaminated water, wildlife devastation, etc. all natural resources would become extremely scarce. The thing that scares me most is not being able to provide for my family, which I could do with limited resources, but we are talking about a major event that will take away even the most basic of resources.
and if Rick ran out of twinkies... that would be really scary!

[hunter63]

I guess I wouldn't fear too much, as there are a lot of thinks that you really can't prep for and would so catastrophic that it wouldn't much matter anyway.

We have a shut-down nuke plant about ten miles south, that most people don't think about any more.
I had come across an old Civil Defense(remember them?) evacuation poster a while back, and we are in the second "ring" or the KissYAG ring. (Thanks for that !)

Hopefully we can sell this place, and GOoD, pretty soon, would really like to be at the "Place", four hours away.

[BENESSE]

What scares me most about any large scale disaster is what inevitably follows--
man's inhumanity to man.
Disaster can bring out the best in people but more often than not, it brings out the worst. And the implication of where that might lead simply shrivels my imagination.
How does one prepare for that even mentally let alone physically?

[Rick]

Personally, I think it's the other way around. I think it brings out the best in most and the worst in a few. We certainly may be more cautious after a disaster but I think most are more apt to say "Are you all right" than "Stick 'em up". Just my opinion.

[Sourdough]

How does one prepare for that even mentally let alone physically?


There are ways. In fact there are many ways. None EASY. But worth the effort for the peace they offer.

[BENESSE]

Personally, I think it's the other way around. I think it brings out the best in most and the worst in a few. We certainly may be more cautious after a disaster but I think most are more apt to say "Are you all right" than "Stick 'em up". Just my opinion.

Even if that were true (and I honestly don't know for sure), its generally the few that create the most havoc.
Just look around.

[Rick]

Oh, I agree with that hands down. I think people are who they are no matter what. It's just that a terrible event brings out the basic traits in them. If they were jerks before the event then they will be jerks after the event. If LE is not around to maintain law and order then the jerks just get a bit more...jerkier.

[2dumb2kwit]

I thought you said you were TALL and ruggedly handsome?have you been exagerating again?

LOL...actually....I asked if you could make my cut-out like that....I never said that I am! :innocent:

...and even if I am, I'm not 50 feet tall!:blushing:

[BENESSE]

Oh, I agree with that hands down. I think people are who they are no matter what. It's just that a terrible event brings out the basic traits in them. If they were jerks before the event then they will be jerks after the event. If LE is not around to maintain law and order then the jerks just get a bit more...jerkier.

I am going to assume that when/if all hell breaks loose (think N.O. just for starters) LE is going to bail out to take care of their own families.
In the midst of this swirling maelstrom of craziness and mayhem, those with the experience of service in the armed forces or LE will have an easier time of adjusting to the new reality.
If you are lucky enough to be one of those people or have friends or family among them, you've got an advantage.
If not, (and I don't) the challenge of making it is greater. The bare survival from day to day will be hard enough without having to fight other human beings along the way.

Don't even know where to start preparing for that particular contingency.
And that's unsettling.

[crashdive123]

I am a firm believer that we should all prepare for what we feel are the most likely threats that we face. Make a list and prioritize it. Whatever is number one on your list is where your focus should start, moving on to number two, then three, etc. I just don't see the type of event that you are talking about being very likely. Sure, localized events can cause problems, and if you're in it - it doesn't matter how small it is, because it may seem like your whole world. Even the event that your reference (Katrina) was relatively small in scale. Those that took the proper precautions and did not rely on outside help for their survival did OK. Were there problems? Absolutely. Have steps been taken to prevent those problems from occurring again? I certainly hope so. I have been through a few hurricanes and typhoons. It has been my experience that folks came together and helped each other in the aftermath. Of course there were some problems with looting etc., but those problems existed before the storms as well. The rebuilding and camaraderie isn't as sexy as the looting, so it doesn't get the same coverage. Again - we should all prepare for what we think are the most likely events that will take place.

[Rick]

Ditto on what Crash said. Your last post seems to indicate you expect something of sizable impact. Certainly, 911 was. But what I saw at any rate, people were there for each other. I don't know any more than I saw on TV or read in the papers.

I can tell you that I've worked storm breaks several times. Mostly in the aftermath of tornadoes but also after a sizable flood. It's impossible to count the number of folks that came out of their houses offering us water, iced tea, soda, just about anything you want. One guy even had a cooler of beer iced down and offered us his pool. Sure glad it was the end of the day when we found him. Wet jeans might have chaffed. :innocent: It was over 100 F that day so we accepted.

Assess your threats. Decide which are most likely to occur. Then plan for those first and work your way down the list.

[Winnie]

When I first joined, Crash and Rick gave me that advice. Phase one (my BOB) is now complete, phase two (aiming to have 6 months food and water) is well on the way and phase three (finding somewhere a bit more isolated to live) is going to take a while and a lot more money, but It's still on my "to do" list.
From what I've gleaned here (and I may be wrong) you can't prepare for a specific threat, be it manmade or a natural disaster so there's little point in worrying about what you can't control. What you can do is simply prepare for the worst, hope for the best and anything else, well life is too short.

[Rick]

Actually.....I think you can plan for a specific threat. If you live in an area prone to wildfires, for example, there are specific things you can do to reduce the likelihood that you will be a victim. Develop a clean zone around your house. Put on plants that are drought resistant, flame retardant roof, etc.. I think you can do very specific things for any threat. But I certainly agree that there is no need in worrying for what you can't control. No matter how great your plan is, no matter how well you have prepared, the disaster doesn't play by the rules. It doesn't know the plan so it rarely follows it and it will do something that you didn't foresee. Just do your level best with what you have and hope like heck it's enough. Besides, as some have stated many times, if it's bad enough we won't be around to worry about it anyway.

[Winnie]

As we don't suffer such extremes of weather etc I didn't think of those sort of things Rick, and I'd agree totally with what you said about wildfires and the like. Like you and Crash have said many times, prepare for your area. Fortunately I live in a pretty safe area so don't have those things to prepare for. It's not easy for me to get my head round the trials and tribulations some of you have to live with and I forget that sometimes.:blushing:

[BENESSE]

I am a firm believer that we should all prepare for what we feel are the most likely threats that we face. Make a list and prioritize it. Whatever is number one on your list is where your focus should start, moving on to number two, then three, etc. I just don't see the type of event that you are talking about being very likely. Sure, localized events can cause problems, and if you're in it - it doesn't matter how small it is, because it may seem like your whole world. Even the event that your reference (Katrina) was relatively small in scale. Those that took the proper precautions and did not rely on outside help for their survival did OK. Were there problems? Absolutely. Have steps been taken to prevent those problems from occurring again? I certainly hope so. I have been through a few hurricanes and typhoons. It has been my experience that folks came together and helped each other in the aftermath. Of course there were some problems with looting etc., but those problems existed before the storms as well. The rebuilding and camaraderie isn't as sexy as the looting, so it doesn't get the same coverage. Again - we should all prepare for what we think are the most likely events that will take place.

You make perfect sense, and I've tried to make that my approach.
At this point I pretty much know what I need to do to prepare for a few of the most likely scenarios and it's just a matter of doing it systematically.

But here in NYC you'll be remiss if you don't go a step further and expect the unexpected. Don't need to extrapolate on that, but suffice it to say it's not surprising that the place has inspired many films dealing with doomsday scenarios precisely because out here the effects would be particularly devastating and not hard to imagine.

[crashdive123]

Some of the other threats that we all may face (I know Bragg would be so proud of me) is that of financial troubles. With an economy that is less than stellar - how secure is your job - do you have some money put aside - are you paying down your debt so that financial trouble won't impact you as much? Just like with putting up food and supplies, take small steps, just a little at a time - before you know it you'll be better prepared than when you started.

Health issues are the same way. I'm overweight. I'm walking and exercising a little more. Before long........

[Ken]

I'm overweight.

Yeah, we all saw the jamboree pics....... :innocent:

[crashdive123]

BENESE - I'm from New Jersey (I know - explains a lot) originally and spent quite a bit of time in the city - so I understand what you are saying. One thing that you may need to consider is relocating. I know that sounds dramatic, and it is a huge step. Most likely it would involve a career change as well as relocating. Obviously this would not a decision to take lightly or quickly. How big is the threat in your current location and how important is your peace of mind are probably the two big questions to answer.

[BENESSE]

Some of the other threats that we all may face (I know Bragg would be so proud of me) is that of financial troubles. With an economy that is less than stellar - how secure is your job - do you have some money put aside - are you paying down your debt so that financial trouble won't impact you as much? Just like with putting up food and supplies, take small steps, just a little at a time - before you know it you'll be better prepared than when you started.

Health issues are the same way. I'm overweight. I'm walking and exercising a little more. Before long........

Now you're singing my song Crash!

Health and financial preparedness has been a way of life for me.
I can't imagine anything more important, especially health.
The old adage "if you don't have your health, you don't have anything" is truer than ever these days.

[BENESSE]

BENESE - I'm from New Jersey (I know - explains a lot) originally and spent quite a bit of time in the city - so I understand what you are saying. One thing that you may need to consider is relocating. I know that sounds dramatic, and it is a huge step. Most likely it would involve a career change as well as relocating. Obviously this would not a decision to take lightly or quickly. How big is the threat in your current location and how important is your peace of mind are probably the two big questions to answer.


That's a huge quandary.
At this point in my life the sacrifice of moving elsewhere would not be worth it. I love this place too much and I am really gambling that whatever happens will be manageable and survivable.
(Kind of like people who smoke and hope they'll be the ones to die in their sleep at 92 instead of lung cancer at 52)

[crashdive123]

That's a huge quandary.
At this point in my life the sacrifice of moving elsewhere would not be worth it. I love this place too much and I am really gambling that whatever happens will be manageable and survivable.
(Kind of like people who smoke and hope they'll be the ones to die in their sleep at 92 instead of lung cancer at 52)

That's why the evaluation process is an ongoing one. Should the benefits ever be outweighed by the threat you may have to adjust your plan accordingly. Sounds to me like you're doing just fine.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

BENESE - I'm from New Jersey (I know - explains a lot) originally and spent quite a bit of time in the city - so I understand what you are saying. One thing that you may need to consider is relocating. I know that sounds dramatic, and it is a huge step. Most likely it would involve a career change as well as relocating. Obviously this would not a decision to take lightly or quickly. How big is the threat in your current location and how important is your peace of mind are probably the two big questions to answer.

I was going to suggest relocation as well,but got the feeling that would not be an option for her. Then she more or less said as much in reply to your post that I'm quoting now. But perhaps a compromise of sorts? Maybe the 'Burbs? Just a thought and would be maybe a little easier on Benesse.

[Rick]

Sounds to me like you are in excellent shape, Benesse. You know what you want and you are working toward a good plan for your location. A LOT of folks should be envious of where you are in the cycle. Winnie, too. Both of you have your heads on straight in my book.

[BENESSE]

Seems to me now that I've embarked on this journey and based on everything I read here, "Preparedness" is a way of life much like healthy eating or practicing religion. You are either committed or you're not.
There is so much more to it than getting the perfect BOB and waiting for SHTF.
That's just the beginning. The price of entry.
"Preparedness" it seems, requires discipline, vigilance and fortitude.
All good things that translate into other parts of life, no matter where you live or what you do.

[crashdive123]

Very nicely said.

[glockcop]

I am going to assume that when/if all hell breaks loose (think N.O. just for starters) LE is going to bail out to take care of their own families.
In the midst of this swirling maelstrom of craziness and mayhem, those with the experience of service in the armed forces or LE will have an easier time of adjusting to the new reality.
If you are lucky enough to be one of those people or have friends or family among them, you've got an advantage.
If not, (and I don't) the challenge of making it is greater. The bare survival from day to day will be hard enough without having to fight other human beings along the way.

Don't even know where to start preparing for that particular contingency.
And that's unsettling.

No offense but you DO NOT know the facts. The vast majority of New Orleans area cops DID NOT "Bail out" during Katrina. Some Officers did in fact leave the Department but most of those were days and weeks after the SHTF. Don't take the biased media's word for ANYTHING. DO NOT tune into the evening news and proclaim to know "what happened" when YOU were not there!!!

[doug1980]

No offense but you DO NOT know the facts. The vast majority of New Orleans area cops DID NOT "Bail out" during Katrina. Some Officers did in fact leave the Department but most of those were days and weeks after the SHTF. Don't take the biased media's word for ANYTHING. DO NOT tune into the evening news and proclaim to know "what happened" when YOU were not there!!!

That may be the case in that instance but during hurricane Andrew that is exactly what happened. The police left or went home to be with their families. Not that I blame them though.

[Pal334]

This is why the National Guard/Federal response is important. It should be expected that many emergency responders would want to be with their families during the intital phases of an emergency.The fact is in all of the recent large disaster events, a large portion did go to take care of their families. And of course returned to their posts after the immdeiate threat to their families passed. My point being, do not blame them if they do leave their posts for a short period, it is only human nature.

[crashdive123]

No offense but you DO NOT know the facts. The vast majority of New Orleans area cops DID NOT "Bail out" during Katrina. Some Officers did in fact leave the Department but most of those were days and weeks after the SHTF. Don't take the biased media's word for ANYTHING. DO NOT tune into the evening news and proclaim to know "what happened" when YOU were not there!!!

No need to shout. So the reports of some (less than 200 if I remember correctly) were incorrect? What was the right number? Was their chaos and confusion in the city? THAT is the whole point of the post you quoted. Nobody here has indicted the NOPD. Rather than SHOUT at those of us who do not know what we are talking about - set the record straight. You say don't take the word of the biased media. Some may say do not trust a police force that has the well known reputation for corruption. Fair? Obviously not. The efforts of the good men and women in LE are tainted by the actions of a few as in the case with any profession.

[BENESSE]

No offense but you DO NOT know the facts. The vast majority of New Orleans area cops DID NOT "Bail out" during Katrina. Some Officers did in fact leave the Department but most of those were days and weeks after the SHTF. Don't take the biased media's word for ANYTHING. DO NOT tune into the evening news and proclaim to know "what happened" when YOU were not there!!!

No I wasn't there, but my family in law was.
I'll leave it at that.

[BENESSE]

No offense but you DO NOT know the facts. The vast majority of New Orleans area cops DID NOT "Bail out" during Katrina. Some Officers did in fact leave the Department but most of those were days and weeks after the SHTF. Don't take the biased media's word for ANYTHING. DO NOT tune into the evening news and proclaim to know "what happened" when YOU were not there!!!

Another thing:
What's wrong in assuming and preparing for the worst in a worst case scenario on the off chance that you might be left alone to fend for yourself?
That's all I was really saying without judging LE or anyone who might decide to CTOA and that of their families.

[Rick]

I think you are spot on Benesse. Sound planning should encompass the worst case scenario to the extent time and resources allow. You go, girl.

[crashdive123]

Another thing:
What's wrong in assuming and preparing for the worst in a worst case scenario on the off chance that you might be left alone to fend for yourself?
That's all I was really saying without judging LE or anyone who might decide to CTOA and that of their families.

You are exactly right. Keep it up, I know I will.

[glockcop]

Crash, I agree that people should prepare for the worse case senario but the BENESSE's statemant that the NOPD "Bailed out" is STILL and always will be incorrect. I'll shout that fact all day long if need be! I was there. If you were not there then you have no basis for blanket comments on the subject. Yes there was mayhem afterward but the NOPD was undermaned before the storm. There was simply not enough Badges to handle the situation. Not NOPD's fault. The cops did the best they could while tackling this overwhelming disaster. Just a few "bailed out" and it still would not have mattered much if they stayed. A deficit of less than 200 men on a force of a little shy of two thousand is not even a drop in the bucket. This number is inclusive of DARE officers, juvi cops, transport officers and the like. these are not beat cops. Their absence was inconsequential at best. This was a terrible time in anyones life that it touched and I have NO tolerance for inaccuracies and exaggerations on the matter!! The NOPD and other civil services of the city saved many, many lives and there efforts should not be minimized and disrespected with false bullsh*t statements!

[crashdive123]

I agree that the majority of LE probably did their job. Not all did, and it doesn't take "being there" to kow that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173879,00.html

[glockcop]

No I wasn't there, but my family in law was.
I'll leave it at that.

No, lets not leave it that. Please expound on what you were told by your "family in law". If you were not there, your blanket statements are irrelavent information.

[glockcop]

I agree that the majority of LE probably did their job. Not all did, and it doesn't take "being there" to kow that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173879,00.html

The statements about officers that "bailed out" is what I have issue with. And YES If you were not there, you don't know the facts.

[oly]

I cant criticize them for abandonment as long as there priorities is family first.
Never been in that situation yet and I believe that I would chose family first, now with that said, if they had enough time to evacuate and chose not to, well there one there own when I'm not around.
I'm retired now so its family first and mission second.

[crashdive123]

The statements about officers that "bailed out" is what I have issue with. And YES If you were not there, you don't know the facts.

You've made your point - let it go.

[oldsoldier]

You've made your point - let it go.

Thanks Crash I agree

[Pal334]

Last I will say on this.

In 2005 NO had approximately 1,650 officers, 228 were charged with abandoning their posts, this equals approximately 11-12% . In fairness, 80% of all NO LEOs lost their homes during the hurricane. I think they can not be blamed for putting family first, I know I would. If the Federal government and the State of LA had responded promptly, there would have been a neglible impact on the city.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-86260.html

http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2465268

[oly]

Dropped crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLTEIfzVrEg&feature=PlayList&p=A20923C2865066E8&index=28&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

[glockcop]

Crash, I will let it go. Katrina and the misconceptions involved is a very sore subject for me and I defend in the extreme because our world was forever changed by an event that left permanent scares on nearly anyone who lived there. It is hard to understand and visualize the "hell on earth" and death involved. Human beings, property and hope were destroyed by an enemy that cannot be killed. BENESSE, sorry if I went overboard in the defense of what I saw, felt and experienced. Like I said , It is a very sore subject for me. Sometimes my passion and pain on the subject get the best of me and leaves me bitter. Before the storm I had nearly everything a man could want. After the storm I owned little more than what I took with me in a gym bag. It has been a very hard road to recovery and it cuts like a knife to this day. Not wanting sympothy here, just understanding of why I can be defensive on this matter. At least my family was safely evacuated and my weapons were spared because they were store "up high" on my second story which was freshly renevated (not much up there at the time). Be safe.

[BENESSE]

Crash, I will let it go. Katrina and the misconceptions involved is a very sore subject for me and I defend in the extreme because our world was forever changed by an event that left permanent scares on nearly anyone who lived there. It is hard to understand and visualize the "hell on earth" and death involved. Human beings, property and hope were destroyed by an enemy that cannot be killed. BENESSE, sorry if I went overboard in the defense of what I saw, felt and experienced. Like I said , It is a very sore subject for me. Sometimes my passion and pain on the subject get the best of me and leaves me bitter. Before the storm I had nearly everything a man could want. After the storm I owned little more than what I took with me in a gym bag. It has been a very hard road to recovery and it cuts like a knife to this day. Not wanting sympothy here, just understanding of why I can be defensive on this matter. At least my family was safely evacuated and my weapons were spared because they were store "up high" on my second story which was freshly renevated (not much up there at the time). Be safe.


I am sorry about the loss you experienced.
You are right about this: if you weren't there, you don't know.
Let me just say...
Our family has been there for 4 generations.
They lost EVERYthing.
They don't live there any more.
I wasn't there but I believe THEM. Not the news, THEM.
And now I'll drop it too.

[preachtheWORD]

Keepin' it real, the scenario that I am probably least prepared for is if something were to happen to my wife and I had to raise our girls alone.

I could probably survive a lot of bad situations, and I have a pretty good skill set and fairly MacGuyver-like ingenuity.

But how the heck could I raise two girls alone? I don't know anything about girly stuff.

Also, my AWESOME wife is really good at financial management. I just sign my check and give it to her, and the bills get paid.

I would have to hire at least three people to do what she does - childcare, money management, and cleaning the house. If something happened to her, I would probably need some wilderness survival skills, because the house would probably fall in.

[BENESSE]

Keepin' it real, the scenario that I am probably least prepared for is if something were to happen to my wife and I had to raise our girls alone.

I could probably survive a lot of bad situations, and I have a pretty good skill set and fairly MacGuyver-like ingenuity.

But how the heck could I raise two girls alone? I don't know anything about girly stuff.

Also, my AWESOME wife is really good at financial management. I just sign my check and give it to her, and the bills get paid.

I would have to hire at least three people to do what she does - childcare, money management, and cleaning the house. If something happened to her, I would probably need some wilderness survival skills, because the house would probably fall in.


Preach, the prospect of loosing a wife and being left with two young girls to take care of is not an easy thing to wrap your mind around.
There are no guarantees in life but with any luck you won't have to worry about it until she's at least 105.
In the meantime, get involved and learn from her. (Sounds like you couldn't get a better teacher.) As with anything, practice helps.
Those skills will serve you well no matter what life throws your way.
At the very least your wife will have an awesome husband and the girls two awesome parents.

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