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sh4d0wm4573ri7

09-14-2009, 10:02 PM

Anyone tell me what type of snake this is? and whether it is poisonous or not?
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/sh4d0wm4573ri7/snake.jpghttp://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/sh4d0wm4573ri7/snake2.jpg

crashdive123

09-14-2009, 10:05 PM

It's difficult to see detail.

sh4d0wm4573ri7

09-14-2009, 10:17 PM

yea was pretty dark exwife found it outside is white greenish black banded on belly and black with tanish bands on its back small but almost 4 ft

pocomoonskyeyes

09-14-2009, 10:41 PM

Judging from the pattern on the belly and from what I can see on the pic it APPEARS to be a black Rat snake But the bands don't sound right for that(but there are always regional variations). It does not appear to be a Viper and because of the coloration we can rule out the Coral snake. That leaves only non-poisonous species. So i don't think you have anything to worry about.

COWBOYSURVIVAL

09-15-2009, 05:37 AM

Cane Break Rattlesnake

nell67

09-15-2009, 07:08 AM

Not sure of the type,but looking at the head,IMO it looks like a poisonous snake,nonpoisonous snakes USUALLY have a more streamlined head,blending more smoothly into their neck.
Poisonous snakes normally have an "arrowhead" shaped head,although some non-p's can flatten their head and make them appear poisonous.

All poisonous snakes have "cat like" pupils where a non-p will have a round pupil. Not advocting picking one up to look into it's eyes,best to let it go on it's way,or dispatch it,which ever you prefer.

canid

09-15-2009, 07:46 AM

yeah, that looks like a rattler to me.

gryffynklm

09-15-2009, 08:42 AM

It's head looks like a viper like a rattlesnake. Look at Western Pigmy Rattlesnake. The head shape is correct and the color and pattern variations are numerous. It also has NO rattle. If it's dead, you can open it's mouth and find the fangs with a stick. A non poisonous snake will not have fangs.

sh4d0wm4573ri7

09-15-2009, 08:51 AM

Is definitely not a rattler looks like some sort of viper to me , updated pics:http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/sh4d0wm4573ri7/snake005.jpghttp://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/sh4d0wm4573ri7/snake007.jpghttp://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/sh4d0wm4573ri7/snake001.jpghttp://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/sh4d0wm4573ri7/th_snake003.jpg (http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/sh4d0wm4573ri7/?action=view&current=snake003.flv)

nell67

09-15-2009, 08:54 AM

I am assuming it is dead,if it is,can you get closer pics of the face/head??

gryffynklm

09-15-2009, 08:54 AM

Never mind on my previous post.

sh4d0wm4573ri7

09-15-2009, 08:59 AM

Don't see any fangs its eyes are greenish yellow looks like a viper but with no fangs I don't know unless the fangs are retracted which is possible can't really get its mouth open far enough to tell.

gryffynklm

09-15-2009, 09:02 AM

I didn't realize the head was smashed. It could be a Black King Snake. I don't think its a black racer, I think they have a black belly. That would make it non poisonous.

pocomoonskyeyes

09-15-2009, 09:03 AM

There are a number of snakes that have a similar "arrowhead" shape to their head. But this is not pronounced enough to be a Viper. Sorry but the pattern on the back is not correct for a Rattler and if I thought it was a Viper it would more likely be a water moccasin (Agkistrodon piscivorous) than any other. It Is NOT In the Crotalus family (Rattlesnakes)However I have personally handled many snakes including Rattlesnakes.
Some animals have adapted mimicry to make animals (and people) to think they are more dangerous than they are. A good example is Coral snake Red yellow and black bands touching. On Coral Snakes the Red and Yellow bands touch. On species that mimic them like the Scarlet snake and Scarlet King snake the Red and Black bands touch- Hence the saying "Red touch yellow will kill a fellow, Red touch black is a friend of Jack". Both the Scarlet and Scarlet King eat other snakes.
I used to work in a Serpentarium,in the Okefenokee Swamp Park. Another thing that makes me discard the notion that this is a Viper(Family Viperidae) is that Vipers have a dark band that transverses the eye. The head on this one appears to be solid color.
I used a program on my computer to gblow the image up as much as possible without losing to much detail. My honest opinion is this is a NON-poisonous snake. The detail on the underside tells me that this is NOT a Rattlesnake, or water Moccasin, So it is NOT a viper.

nell67

09-15-2009, 09:05 AM

Some retract their fangs,and others fold back along their jaw,place a stick in the roof of it's mouth(while it is on it's back) and roll the stick forward towards it's nose,if it has fangs retracted,they should protrude out with pressure,either way,if you are not sure,I would burn the carcass,just to make sure no comes into contact with it,if it is poisnous,the poison can still do harm.

pocomoonskyeyes

09-15-2009, 09:05 AM

With better pics I can tell you it IS a Black Rat Snake after looking for 2 seconds. better left alive than dead. However I understand that you don't want to take any chances.

pocomoonskyeyes

09-15-2009, 09:19 AM

Here is a really good shot of a copperhead shot from above so you can see the arrowhead shape of Vipers.
http://www.umass.edu/nrec/snake_pit/pages/copper.html
This is a video of the Water Moccasin.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/ttYPn6mrv2U-water-moccasin-on-blue.aspx
Pit Vipers are usually a thicker bodied snake than non-poisonous snakes.

sh4d0wm4573ri7

09-15-2009, 09:20 AM

My ex made me kill it as it was close to the dog kennel and also she very afraid of snakes and I could not identify it as to whether poisonous or not appreciate the input folks I believe your right it being Rat snake as I do not see any fangs and it was non aggressive. Every Viper I come across has been quite agressive thanks for the help

pocomoonskyeyes

09-15-2009, 09:46 AM

All poisonous snakes have "cat like" pupils where a non-p will have a round pupil. Not advocting picking one up to look into it's eyes,best to let it go on it's way,or dispatch it,which ever you prefer.

Almost but not quite true, Coral Snakes have a round pupil as do Cobras. Coral Snakes are related to Cobras

nell67

09-15-2009, 10:26 AM

Almost but not quite true, Coral Snakes have a round pupil as do Cobras. Coral Snakes are related to Cobras
Absolutely correct poco,although I didn't know that about cobras,not one I have been close to,so never really studied up on them,thanks for the info!

pocomoonskyeyes

09-15-2009, 10:36 AM

Absolutely correct poco,although I didn't know that about cobras,not one I have been close to,so never really studied up on them,thanks for the info!

JMO but photography is the BEST way to get close enough to see these sort of details!! That's the way I PREFER to do it,even though I have had my hands on a live Rattler.... I never took the opportunity to look him Eye to Eye!!!!

nell67

09-15-2009, 10:43 AM

JMO but photography is the BEST way to get close enough to see these sort of details!! That's the way I PREFER to do it,even though I have had my hands on a live Rattler.... I never took the opportunity to look him Eye to Eye!!!!
Seen live ones,held dead ones,but totally agree,not one I wish to have a stare down with,people say they are not inthis area anymore,I call BS on that one,my grandfather killed one not far from where I am now in the early 80's out hunting ginseng,so when I go out,I am very cautious.

pocomoonskyeyes

09-15-2009, 10:47 AM

that is a good idea Nell. Another thing that is a good idea is to carry a walking stick or even a snake hook. A snake hook can be easily made with an old Golf club and some metal rod, Epoxy and some sort of pin or Rivet. A snake hook can be used to turn over logs and rocks in snake country without endangering yourself to the possibility of snake bite!! You don't have to be out catching snakes for a snake hook to prove useful!!!

nell67

09-15-2009, 10:56 AM

When I go hunting ginseng,I use a 'seng hoe,a garden hoe with the head cut down to about 2' across,and the handle cut down to about 3-4 ft,serves as a walking stick,digging tool,and for any snake that gets too rowdy,a way to dispatch,as I prefer to let'em go their way,and me mine,unless they don't agree with me.

Winnie

09-15-2009, 12:21 PM

I only have one poisonous snake to keep an eye open for, the Adder, have to say, I'm pretty relieved about that!

COWBOYSURVIVAL

09-15-2009, 06:15 PM

An upside down head smashed rat snake. Nevermind my previous post. Gees!

mccaw69

09-15-2009, 11:38 PM

what bout' a blue racer....

cdrock00

09-20-2009, 03:25 PM

It appears to be a black rat snake. Not real sure why you'd want to kill it though (thats assuming you didnt find it dead).I could give countless reasons why snakes are beneficial to our eco-system, but Ill save you the bore since snakes have an undeserving bad reputation, people are going to kill them anyway. A general rule of thumb(North America Only) is as Poco says, the arrowhead or triangle shaped heads, are the venemous ones, and not that you should get close enough to look at their eyes, but most venemous snakes in North America have elliptical-shaped eyes. Also, when referring to snakes as poisonous, the correct term is venemous. If you want to know more about snakes, send me a PM, or if youd like to see a picture of a rather large Burmese Python, check out my album.

sh4d0wm4573ri7

09-20-2009, 10:03 PM

wife made me kill it but thanks for the info

cdrock00

09-21-2009, 05:48 PM

I guess if the wife says Do, then Do!

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