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BruceZed
08-21-2009, 11:48 AM
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I put up an article recently about Why Professional Survival Training is Necessary that can be found on my site. I figured many of you many find it interesting.

wareagle69
08-21-2009, 11:53 AM
naw its not nessecary, i read a book once, told me everything i need to know, oh yeah i saw an episode of some guy on TV, how hard can it be, professional smeshinal, i'm gonna go live in the woods w/only the cloths on my back and a tooth pick

oly
08-21-2009, 12:01 PM
Theres always a fast food place close everywhere.:nod:

pocomoonskyeyes
08-21-2009, 12:21 PM
I have never had any professional training. I have recieved some training in the Boy Scouts ( scout masters and such, they had just read up on stuff and then practiced it) I have never recieved any Professional training on anything pertaining to the outdoors. I have read some excellent books on different subjects(some of which was by professionals ) I think however it is advisable, especially if you know very little pertaining to the outdoors to seek such a professional. Believe nothing you see on TV regarding outdoor survival skills UNLESS it is backed by SEVERAL GOOD books on the subject.(see the official book thread) I learned some botany when I was a Boat Guide in the Okefenokee, good enough that a Professor in Ecology from a college in Georgia came with his Classes and requested me to take his classes out. Learning from ANY source is useless IF you do NOT apply what you learn. Doesn't matter if it's a $20 book or a $100 course... Use it or lose it definitely applies.

Riverrat
08-21-2009, 12:58 PM
Professional training...I have not had any,not in the true sense of the word. My training comes from living the life, being shown what to do by the"old lads" and practicing when I can. Would I turn it down if it was offered and I could afford it, no way, you learn something new every time out, nobody will ever know it all.

Sourdough
08-21-2009, 01:14 PM
Why waste money on survival training, when you could use that same money to buy a monster BIG, Mother of all Survival Knives. And besides I saw Rambo twice, and read the book. (I fact I still own the original first edition).

BruceZed
08-21-2009, 01:17 PM
Keep it, it may be worth something when he become the US President.

pocomoonskyeyes
08-21-2009, 02:00 PM
Why waste money on survival training, when you could use that same money to buy a monster BIG, Mother of all Survival Knives. And besides I saw Rambo twice, and read the book. (I fact I still own the original first edition).

That's really funny Hope!!! I like your sense of humor!!

Rick
08-21-2009, 02:11 PM
I think there is a difference between necessary and advisable.

trax
08-21-2009, 02:33 PM
I voted no Bruce because of some of the things already said here, I guess partly it's the wording, professional training vs. expert training? necessary vs. advisable? and for whom? some people need training others not, I just wanted to add that it's certainly better than just wandering off into the wilds numpty style.

Rick
08-21-2009, 02:36 PM
But the wandering off thing does have the adrenaline rush going for it....you know...right before the death part.

Rat Eater
08-21-2009, 02:38 PM
I would say that depends on someones IQ and thier ability to problem solve. Some people can pick up a books, some web stuff and figure it out and there are some that can't figure it out even with a vid and or pics and need a hands on demo. Some people are fodder!

Ken
08-21-2009, 04:10 PM
I believe that professional training is absolutely necessary. As far as my early experience went, I learned more in two weeks of training than I could have in five years on my own. There are other things that seasoned instructors can teach you that you'll probably NEVER learn otherwise. As professional training becomes more advanced, you learn ALOT about more limited and specialized skill areas. When you begin to teach those skills to others, the different training you have received seems to come together as one. For several years, I would teach one course and then attend another as a student. In some cases, my instructors in one course were my students in others.

True survival ability requires a vast amount of training in a number of areas, and is quite often region specific. My emergency medical training was quite distinct from my firearms training and my NBC training and my wilderness training and my mountaineering training and my scuba training and so on and so on and so on. Yet, they were all skills I first learned from others and fine tuned as I gained experience.

My training centered on survival in New England. Thus, I have a high degree of confidence in my abilities in the woods, cities, mountains, and on the coast almost anywhere in the world except for perhaps the most severe arctic climates. Some skills are readily transferable to other environments and others are not. I would rather be dropped in the middle of a jungle than in the middle of the Sahara, where I would have the skills of a novice.

Two things are for certain - Professional training from competent instructors makes a HUGE difference, and successfully completing a two week trek across a mountain range doesn't necessarily mean you know the first thing about survival. The sad thing is that many don't know the difference until it's too late.

finallyME
08-21-2009, 04:21 PM
But the wandering off thing does have the adrenaline rush going for it....you know...right before the death part.

Kind of like jumping off a cliff with no rope or parachute.:clap:

wareagle69
08-21-2009, 04:28 PM
Why waste money on survival training, when you could use that same money to buy a monster BIG, Mother of all Survival Knives. And besides I saw Rambo twice, and read the book. (I fact I still own the original first edition).

yup me too still own the book, wierd to have seen the movie sooo may times then read the book, not quite the same(but then again when is a movie ever like the book)

doug1980
08-21-2009, 04:44 PM
I kinda look at it like this... What type of survival training are we talking about? I mean almost anyone could survive, in most cases, for several days. Others could survive a week or two and then there are some that could survive forever. So I guess if you were going to go on a long expedition or something like that than proffesional training would be very usefull, but if all you normally do is camp in your back yard I don't think it's really needed. I have some Military training and Boy Scout stuff. Do I need more training, well yeah if I intend on trying to survive a long time. I feel confident I could last a week or two. And in reality that is all I will ever need. I know there are many threads on here about TSHF and "The end of the world" and although it may be exciting and somewhat poetic to discuss, the chance of that happening is very small. So for your every day, run of the mill person, I would say it isn't needed.

P.S I find it funny and almost ironic that these days there are so many people who want to learn how to survive and live in the wild when not too long ago 100+ years ago that was every day life. Almost as if it would be better to de-evolve. I think the more people rely on "new" technology the more they fear it.

crashdive123
08-21-2009, 05:36 PM
While I don't think it is necessary, I do think it can be a valuable learning tool. Just like hiring a professional hunting guide - is it necessary? Some places, yes it is (laws), but it can be a valuable asset, even if not necessary.

SARKY
08-21-2009, 05:49 PM
OK, let me put my 2 cents in since it was my profession in the Navy. We would get in excess of 100 students every other week. At least 50% were clueless about the dangers involved in any enviroment. We had one class where 3 students bare handed, dipped their canteens into the barely not frozen streams. Needless to say we had to medivac them out. I had a SEAL team member during a cold weather class try to Rambo it by grabbing his live bunny by the hind legs and thump it against a tree, Then hung it up and had it half way skinned out before the bunny woke up. I had to dispatch it myself and wouldn't eat it. I've had students walk right over a dirt road and keep going, after they had been briefed that the road is a safety boundry they shouldn't cross. They were lost for 3 days. Now adays I won't take more than 10 students at a time into the wild.
So it's not just the technics that need an instructors touch it is also the critical thinking process that needs to be reset by the instructor.

BruceZed
08-21-2009, 07:15 PM
Over the years I have seen countless individuals wasting calories on useless activities they read about or saw on TV. Individuals hauling around huge amounts of gear, often heavy items that are useless in most survival situation, but look cool to have. Most of all I see individuals building poor quality shelter that don't work to keep there occupants either warm or dry (but they still get reprinted in book after book).

Training whether you received it previously, are about to take it, or you are among the very few who are truly self taught, is still training. Good "professionally run" Wilderness Survival Training save lives. That the point of the article not that you may be able to survive without it.

Remember that if you spend anytime reading on this forum and then go into your local wilderness area and practise these skills you are among the 1% of the population of NA who has done some survival training.

wareagle69
08-21-2009, 07:16 PM
I kinda look at it like this... What type of survival training are we talking about? I mean almost anyone could survive, in most cases, for several days. Others could survive a week or two and then there are some that could survive forever. So I guess if you were going to go on a long expedition or something like that than proffesional training would be very usefull, but if all you normally do is camp in your back yard I don't think it's really needed. I have some Military training and Boy Scout stuff. Do I need more training, well yeah if I intend on trying to survive a long time. I feel confident I could last a week or two. And in reality that is all I will ever need. I know there are many threads on here about TSHF and "The end of the world" and although it may be exciting and somewhat poetic to discuss, the chance of that happening is very small. So for your every day, run of the mill person, I would say it isn't needed.

P.S I find it funny and almost ironic that these days there are so many people who want to learn how to survive and live in the wild when not too long ago 100+ years ago that was every day life. Almost as if it would be better to de-evolve. I think the more people rely on "new" technology the more they fear it.

actually doug if i may correct a misconception that i often read, 100 years ago it was 1909. people had already long lived in very civilized cities, actually even dateing back to the 16 and 1700's in europe at least but even in the americas the 1800's had very civilized cities, so it more like 200 to 300 years ago that alot of folks lived off the land, the settlers if you will, but even then they farmed the land and hunted it but really did not live with it, thy fought it they tamed it and most survived it, but not nearly the love affair that we seem to have with it.

Rick
08-21-2009, 07:35 PM
I doubt Dick Pronneke ever took a survival class. I might be wrong. You could probably point out any number of folks that have lived quite successfully without formal instruction. Is it necessary? For some, obviously no. For some, obviously yes. My guess is that those who have survived living in the wilderness don't need it. Those that died trying probably should have gotten some.

Jiujitman
08-21-2009, 09:24 PM
Bruce,

Do you know anyone who does any proffesional Survival Training in the South East Georgia area?
Pookamyeyesout or whatever, when were you last guiding tours in the Okeefenokee? We try to go there at least once a year. We live about 20 minutes from the Waycross park.

wareagle69
08-21-2009, 09:31 PM
the way i see it some people have common sense and some don't. me i have no imagination, not creative or artistic, i learn by reading or seeing, then i can do it, some are very imaginitive some are just plain smart, some a dumb as dog crap and some have way too much ego. i have honesty, i do not lie to myself i know my strenghts and weaknesses and can admit when i am screwed but also have the ability to remain extremly calm in extreme situations, some things can be taught some can't, i study plants with any professional i can, starting a fire i can figure out and do in any situation didn't need help with that as it is not technical, reading maps and oreinteerring folks can need expert advice, like i said some things are comon sense to some but not to others. do you need a pro to teach you? i don't know do you?

Jiujitman
08-21-2009, 09:41 PM
Bruce,

Could you recommend anyone in the SE Georgia or NE Florida area for Wilderness Survival training?

Jiujitman
08-21-2009, 09:41 PM
Sorry for the double post...

TucsonMax
08-21-2009, 09:41 PM
What about an Urban Survival class by a qualified/intelligent instructor? So many people on this thread could survive in the wild, but what if you couldn't BO or had to stay in your office/work? What if your car wouldn't start, or the roads were blocked, or you had young kids that you couldn't risk the trip, or you lived in the desert and the threat of lack of water kept you at home (with cases of Potable Aqua, living in between two neighbors w/ swimming pools?)

My point is, everyone is lacking in some area. And I bet, given the "right" course, everyone would learn a great deal.

pocomoonskyeyes
08-21-2009, 09:52 PM
Bruce,

Do you know anyone who does any proffesional Survival Training in the South East Georgia area?
Pookamyeyesout or whatever, when were you last guiding tours in the Okeefenokee? We try to go there at least once a year. We live about 20 minutes from the Waycross park.

I started at OSP in 90 and worked there 'til about summer 94, I also did serpentarium lectures. Jimmy walker was the Manager and Jimmy Spikes was asst. manager. I recently talked to Margaret Whipple who is still there and she told me Mr Spikes had passed away and someone else was manager now ...Sorry but I don't remember his name.

pocomoonskyeyes
08-21-2009, 10:14 PM
You know I may tick some of you instructors off with what I am about to say but feel someone needs to say it.That is not what I intend, I'm not trying to make ANYONE mad.
I checked into Professional Training several years back, I REALLY wanted to do it. I had followed this persons "Career" if you will, and believed if anyone was qualified he was. I inquired on price and upon getting their response decided that I could buy every book ever written on the subject and have money left over for some equipment. The price was just for Phase 1, there were 3 phases that followed. So the price to someone like me was just way out of my ballpark, even if it had not involved any travel, which it did. Would it have been worth it? Probably. Could I ever afford it? Not no but he!! no!!! Not then and not now and probably never will be able to afford it. Now if it weren't for the money involved, If money had no factor in my decision would I take professional training? You darn better bet your money I would. If I could afford it I would take so many courses from so many different instructors that I would be on a first name basis with all of you. Do I recommend pro training? If you can reasonably afford it Yes, no doubt about it. Find a reputable instructor and schedule you a class.
Now having said all that I will now go into my corner and hush. Thank you for your patience and tolerance. Hope I didn't make anyone mad.

hoosierarcher
08-21-2009, 10:31 PM
Going to a professional class is not required if you have a mentor that acquired the information and you also read books and watch videos and web searches and practice with guidence by the mentor. A mentor by the way can be a group of people. However a class can be a good idea, especially one of the full year total immersion types.

wareagle69
08-21-2009, 10:44 PM
i guess i am fortunate to count allan beauchamp as one of my friends as that allows me to train with one of the best in the feild

Rick
08-21-2009, 10:45 PM
TM - I do agree with you. I think most would. I try to maintain an open mind and it seems like I pick up some new knowledge almost daily. Even if I considered myself the utmost authority on fire making, I'll bet I could pick up SOMETHING from a fire making class. Sometimes you just have to be open and accepting. I've been in a lot of training classes where someone said, "This is BS" and, sure enough, they didn't learn a thing. I just don't think it's a NECESSITY.

Poco - Between you and Hoosierarcher you guys stumbled upon a pretty good idea. You bet a group can be a mentor and there's no reason that a jamboree can't include one or more survival training courses taught by one or more members.

pocomoonskyeyes
08-21-2009, 10:53 PM
TM - I do agree with you. I think most would. I try to maintain an open mind and it seems like I pick up some new knowledge almost daily. Even if I considered myself the utmost authority on fire making, I'll bet I could pick up SOMETHING from a fire making class. Sometimes you just have to be open and accepting. I've been in a lot of training classes where someone said, "This is BS" and, sure enough, they didn't learn a thing. I just don't think it's a NECESSITY.

Poco - Between you and Hoosierarcher you guys stumbled upon a pretty good idea. You bet a group can be a mentor and there's no reason that a jamboree can't include one or more survival training courses taught by one or more members.

Rick that's one of the main reasons I went to this Jamboree.Although I didn't try very much I did learn a lot about arrowhead making from Crash and PGV. Hush Crash I can already hear you saying that you aren't that good but humility only goes so far...You showed me something that I have never seen before in real life...That means a lot.

crashdive123
08-21-2009, 11:07 PM
I think we all learned quite a bit from each other. That coupled with the friendships established go a long way in anybody's survival skills library.

rebel
08-21-2009, 11:24 PM
It's your choice. The decision may be your loss.

doug1980
08-21-2009, 11:54 PM
actually doug if i may correct a misconception that i often read, 100 years ago it was 1909. people had already long lived in very civilized cities, actually even dateing back to the 16 and 1700's in europe at least but even in the americas the 1800's had very civilized cities, so it more like 200 to 300 years ago that alot of folks lived off the land, the settlers if you will, but even then they farmed the land and hunted it but really did not live with it, thy fought it they tamed it and most survived it, but not nearly the love affair that we seem to have with it.

Yeah well you know what I mean.

Sarge47
08-22-2009, 12:30 AM
Is Professional Survival training NECESSARY? I voted no because of the question asked. If it asked that would it be an improvement, preferable, or a great benefit if one could afford it I'd of answered YES! I'm a magician, & I work with a fellow magician, coach, mentor, & now friend who has worked with many other big-name magicians in the course of his life. However the real Pros took training from the top guys like Dai Vernon & Ed Marlo, that's why they make the big bucks, but that didn't come cheap! In order to improve your skills in any field, in order to be the best you can be in that arena, you need to get as much quality training in that area as you can AFFORD! (Keyword: Afford!) :cool2:

oly
08-22-2009, 09:24 AM
Sarge has a good point, its what you can afford but at least go to a campground to practice your skills before going into a remote area.

Now for me I lack skills in the cement jungle. Me and the wife went for a walk in Vancouver and I noticed that bars on the windows and doors is a bad sign for being in the wrong place, then I noticed that the locals was looking at us like a bear would as if we was a walking talking T bone steak. We survived Vancouver Canada.

wareagle69
08-22-2009, 09:38 AM
i agree about the price, i cannot afford to take a week off of work and spend 600 to 1000 dollars in the bush, first off if i am off on holidays for a week the wifey would be pizzed if i am out playing in the bush and not doing the honey do list. i think for most folks doing it affordable like would be the better option, now i would spend 150 bucks for a weekend fri night to sunday morning type thing.
maybe we should be hearing from phil or pict or jason on this as they make their living at it, if/when i start teaching it will be short durations so hopefully one weekend a month folks will come out and see/learn about wild edibles as they progress instead of trying to cram as much info as possible down their throats in a week over six or seven months i can make the same money off of one person but i think a better deal for them, i would have to look closer at the monetary feasability of doing this, right now i only have a buisness idea not a buisness plan

Sourdough
08-22-2009, 10:14 AM
I have no interest in survival training........I have no interest in survival theory, practice or skills, so I would never pay for a course with the word Survival in the course name. NOTE: I have never bought a "Survival" Book.

HOWEVER, change the title and I am fully enrolled. Do I have every book with "OUTDOORSMAN" in the title, or "WOODSMAN" in the title, Yes. Would I pay, Yes and I have. I have spent more than $30,000.00 on flying courses, which are really about how to survive in the air.

Pict
08-22-2009, 11:10 AM
I have never had any formal training. I am highly self motivated in this area of my life though and I've been at it a long time.

I also answered no in the poll mainly because the way the question was asked. Is survival training important? Does survival training save lives? Should you take a course in survival? Absolutely yes!

I, personally, am not willing to spend money if a course is going to rehash most of what I already know. There are a great many individuals I would love to spend time with in the bush who I feel I could learn a great deal from.

For someone just starting out there is a great deal of trial and error that can be avoided by taking a course with a competent instructor. I didn't go that route. Once you get a solid base of experience it becomes much easier to apply what you see or read. When it comes down to the real thing wilderness survival and bushcraft is all about what you can do on your own in the place you are.

A good education exposes you to all that you don't know but gives you the tools to self educate on a continual basis. I would say that if someone attends a course or two and thinks they are prepared they missed the point. A good course will give you a base of knowledge but also the ability to train yourself from that point. Mac

Ken
08-22-2009, 12:05 PM
I'm a magician....

Can you make yourself disappear? :innocent:

Rick
08-22-2009, 01:21 PM
I'll bet he can make YOU disappear. Go on, Sarge. Get him, go on. BAN.BAN.BAN. (chuckle, snort, guffaw).

Ken
08-22-2009, 01:26 PM
Hmmm. Do I sense a bit of

http://www.fightersdepot.tv/HOSTILITY/Logo%20Hostility.jpg ? :innocent:

oldsoldier
08-22-2009, 01:42 PM
There should be another choice added to the poll. SHOULD someone have proffesional training. But with tha absence of that choice I voted yes. If some level of training was required some of these numpties that think they can head out into the "wilderness" with nothing but a bottle of water,a swiss army knife,and a roll of dental floss. Even on a day hike. Then they would know the foolishness of what they are doing and what could happen and know that some poor SAR personell are going to have to risk their lives to haul their tails out of trouble. I haven't had a lot of training but what training I did have I recieved courtesy of good ole' uncle sammy. I wouldn't trade it for anything. Just wish I had the time and oportunity for more.

Timber_wolf
08-22-2009, 03:03 PM
I voted no.

I have, like many other posters on this thread, no professional training. No boy scouts, no military, no wilderness courses. But my wilderness skills have been tested and found to be sound and even good enough for me to survive comfortably.

Now having said that, I did acquire my wilderness skills from several places. To begin with, I am half Mohawk and Seneca Indian. My relatives on that side of my family taught me a fair amount about our old ways. I learned a lot from them. I also learned a great deal from books and videos, as well as just figuring it out for myself.

Should the average civilian be out on the wilds with no training? Probably not, but I truly think that being on this site and practicing the skills we all discuss would be just as helpful as cramming a wilderness course into your head in a few days. If someone were to try and use this site, or another like it, as a course guide for wilderness living they could at least return to the parts they want to study at their leisure. That would allow them to learn at their own pace and also to ask questions when they are stuck. That would give them a community of mentors and most likely many alternate means of solving the problem at hand. Plus there is a better chance of them getting some one-on-one time with someone who can help them, albeit digitally as opposed to hands on. Having learned my skills in a community type setting I think that would be superior to being with a bunch of other students and only one teacher.

Just my two cents on the matter....
Timber Wolf

Ken
08-22-2009, 03:28 PM
To begin with, I am half Mohawk and Seneca Indian. My relatives on that side of my family taught me a fair amount about our old ways. I learned a lot from them. Timber Wolf

Timber Wolf, I would consider that to be "professional training." :)

Timber_wolf
08-22-2009, 03:34 PM
Touche!

I guess I can give you that one, especially since my mate agrees with you. She never takes my side though LOL!

wareagle69
08-22-2009, 09:56 PM
another ontario member i presume , timber wolf?

Timber_wolf
08-23-2009, 02:24 AM
No, not from Kanuckistan (i.e. Canada).

If you are referring to my use of the word touche, I happen to be illiterate in about 7 languages. So I throw out odd foreign words from time to time.

If you are referring to my heritage, there are a great many Iroquois in the northeastern US.

I grew up in Ohio and Pennsylvania (as well as a few other places) and now live in Nebraska.


Thank You
Timber Wolf

wareagle69
08-23-2009, 08:51 AM
ok cool i knew about ohio as i lived there as well, but we have a good representaion of mohawk and senaca here in central ontario, was hoping you was from here as i am looking to get some of the ontario members together for some fun and training this fall/winter

pocomoonskyeyes
08-23-2009, 09:01 AM
Do I sense a Canada Jamboree?? Or am I just imagining things?

2dumb2kwit
08-23-2009, 09:55 AM
Do I sense a Canada Jamboree?? Or am I just imagining things?
Hmmmm....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ZvAVcBIrQ&feature=related

wareagle69
08-23-2009, 12:45 PM
well i tried a wolfpack gathering for the summer of 08 but the gas prices was thru the roof and nobody here likes me the way they do rick:bawling:so i figured what the heck maybe with prices a little bit better and some ontarion folks or even the northern states memebrs are close we could see what we can get going for some beautiful fall or early winter scenery either in algonquin park or kilarney park, i', going again either way, might just be palerider an me ifn ya want to make an event of this that would be fun

NightShade
08-23-2009, 01:37 PM
I voted no simply because I don't think it is "necesarry".. I think for the average person with no outdoors skills it would be highly beneficial though!!! I have no formal training whatsoever, but I grew up on a farm and was always outdoors in the woods with my Dad, my uncles, and my grandparents, along with other older experienced outdoorsman who taught me everything I know from an early age. I've read all the books as well and picked up a few tricks from those and always keep an ear open when talking to like minded individuals.. You can always learn a new tactic or trick from experienced outdoorsmen who have been in different situations than yourself. I've gone on wilderness survival trips from an early age and I'm still alive! Some for only a weekend and a few times for many weeks on end... So I say .. is it necesarry?.. definetly not!... Is it a good idea and a great opportunity to learn from experienced individuals?.. Definetly so!!!!

Ken
08-23-2009, 01:40 PM
well i tried a wolfpack gathering for the summer of 08 but the gas prices was thru the roof and nobody here likes me the way they do rick:bawling:so i figured what the heck maybe with prices a little bit better and some ontarion folks or even the northern states memebrs are close we could see what we can get going for some beautiful fall or early winter scenery either in algonquin park or kilarney park, i', going again either way, might just be palerider an me ifn ya want to make an event of this that would be fun

WE? There were dozens of us at the '08 Canada jamboree. We had a blast! :clap: Where were you?

wareagle69
08-23-2009, 07:12 PM
beep, beep ,beep ,beep ,beep. pst hey ken wake up your alamrs going off, your due in court to give some poor slob his highly over rated and over paid defence for jay walking

Ken
08-23-2009, 07:14 PM
beep, beep ,beep ,beep ,beep. pst hey ken wake up your alamrs going off, your due in court to give some poor slob his highly over rated and over paid defence for jay walking

I ain't goin' to court. You were supposed to pay me in advance, remember, WE? :sneaky2:

Rick
08-23-2009, 08:39 PM
They don't love me, WE. They just showed up for the food.

wareagle69
08-23-2009, 09:08 PM
I ain't goin' to court. You were supposed to pay me in advance, remember, WE? :sneaky2:
checks in the mail.honest:innocent:

They don't love me, WE. They just showed up for the food.

wait, there was food? nobody said nutin about food, why am i always the last to know. why dangit why i say

pocomoonskyeyes
08-23-2009, 09:22 PM
checks in the mail.honest:innocent:


wait, there was food? nobody said nutin about food, why am i always the last to know. why dangit why i say

Didn't you read all those posts about the Danish(the pastry not the people)? Surely WE we don't have to put a picture of a T-bone up for you do we?

wareagle69
08-23-2009, 09:38 PM
posts what posts? t-bone ah soory don't eat red meat got any turkey(the bird, not ken)

Rick
08-23-2009, 10:24 PM
Dude is on a roll tonight. That's funny.

Ken
08-23-2009, 10:48 PM
posts what posts? t-bone ah soory don't eat red meat got any turkey(the bird, not ken)

http://physicsgeek.mu.nu/archives/turkey.JPG

BruceZed
08-26-2009, 12:55 PM
Sorry, in the US the only instructors that I really have any contact with or have talked to former students that I respect who have taken their training are in the west.

Oasis de Tucanes
08-26-2009, 03:56 PM
I think it would be very helpful in a new geographic area.
I can handle myself quite well in the SE US mountain ranges/AT zone.I grew up there and lived in a backpack.
I spent a ton of time on the swamps of the Everglades, 20 plus years, so that isn't an issue.BUT.
When I moved to Costa Rica it was a whole different movie.
The guys that work for me are experts in the jungle so I picked up the tricks in just a few months running through the jungle and collecting plants.
I'd imagine I would also need the same type of " training" were I to move out to the Rockies or out to the SW desert.

For a clueless office guy or professional student with zero experience a school would be the way to go.

If you have kids and they aren't in scouts you are screwing up. That's how all of us old guys got our start. No scouts ? OK. Find a 4H branch and get them involved.... and don't forget a martial arts school to keep them disciplined and calm.Mouth shut. Eyes and ears open.

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