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Rat Eater
08-19-2009, 10:40 PM
I would love to interview this guy. Good or Bad I am sure volumes could be written!:detective:

http://www.azdailysun.com/articles/2003/09/10/export4768.txt

Another one
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-10-29-los-alamos-eviction_x.htm
crashdive123
08-19-2009, 10:43 PM
Dead link.
Rat Eater
08-19-2009, 10:52 PM
I fixed them I click both and got there, sorry:blushing:
DOGMAN
08-19-2009, 11:03 PM
interesting reading. thanks
rebel
08-19-2009, 11:52 PM
He looks like Bruce Dern.
wareagle69
08-20-2009, 08:09 AM
i know of the cave area well and actually happened across this fella in my travells up there, he will be back, i am sure there are many areas ther to hide in
Pal334
08-20-2009, 08:44 AM
Amazing it took them that long to smell smoke etc: "The lab has not used the restricted area where the cave is located for years, said Bernie Pleau, a spokesman for the department and the National Nuclear Security Administration in Los Alamos. It is about 50 yards out his office door and down the cliff, he said".

A telling testament to the continued Non Security that is the DOE
Rick
08-20-2009, 11:21 AM
"Sergeant?"
"Yes, sir?"
"Does that smell like roasted squirrel to you?"
"(sniff)(sniff) Yes, sir. It does."
"Nice. Someone is having a great lunch."
thunderson5
08-20-2009, 11:59 AM
pal344 thats a different story the one your talking about was in new mexico where im at,this story is in flagstaff.these kind of stories really piss me of,the poor guy wasnt hurting anyone and just living in a cave big crime.i think they ought to lock up whoever turned him in.and now he is banned from ever going in to that park again whats up with that i didnt even know they could do that.and the forest service guy going in and getting his bb gun and all his knives before letting him go back in to get his stuff wow.well atleast they did let him get his stuff,surprised me.they should have let him live out his days there in my opinion.if the forest service really wanted to they could have found a way for him to stay there,they could give him volunteer status and he could have helped archeologists find artifacts show people around the area his help could be endless with his knowledge of the area.but no they had to kick him out and treat him like a criminal.society sucks sometimes
Pal334
08-20-2009, 12:14 PM
pal344 thats a different story the one your talking about was in new mexico where im at,this story is in flagstaff.these kind of stories really piss me of,the poor guy wasnt hurting anyone and just living in a cave big crime.i think they ought to lock up whoever turned him in.and now he is banned from ever going in to that park again whats up with that i didnt even know they could do that.and the forest service guy going in and getting his bb gun and all his knives before letting him go back in to get his stuff wow.well atleast they did let him get his stuff,surprised me.they should have let him live out his days there in my opinion.if the forest service really wanted to they could have found a way for him to stay there,they could give him volunteer status and he could have helped archeologists find artifacts show people around the area his help could be endless with his knowledge of the area.but no they had to kick him out and treat him like a criminal.society sucks sometimes

I was commenting on the second story that actually has some important issues, namely another potential breach of security:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...eviction_x.htm

I have no real opinion or concern about the first story
thunderson5
08-20-2009, 12:32 PM
yeah its amazing that he was there as long as he was,and he also was growing pot there.i guess he figured nobody would ever think to look right under there nose and he was right.they probably would have never found him if it wasnt for someone spotting the smoke from his fire,right under los alamos,wow
Pal334
08-20-2009, 12:36 PM
yeah its amazing that he was there as long as he was,and he also was growing pot there.i guess he figured nobody would ever think to look right under there nose and he was right.they probably would have never found him if it wasnt for someone spotting the smoke from his fire

And let me guess :) it was the first fire he ever had made? I agree is amzing
Ken
08-20-2009, 12:43 PM
And let me guess :) it was the first fire he ever had made?

Probably was, Pal. You see, he never joined the forums, and....... :innocent:
Pal334
08-20-2009, 12:51 PM
Probably was, Pal. You see, he never joined the forums, and....... :innocent:

Duuuuh, slapping my forehead. He did not have the basic skills. Poor guy must have been living in a cold camp for a long time!!! Maybe someone can forward him the link to this forum. and while they are at it, send a copy to the DOE, Security folks.:smash:
wareagle69
08-20-2009, 12:54 PM
first off it is not a park it is park of the coconino national forest, where he was at is right in town the fire tower is on top of mt elden which is shadowed by mt humphrys, but it is decently rugged, it is very easy to hide out there as most folks usually stay on the trails up the front side of elden there is also a service road going up the back side to the tower, i have spent literaly hundreds of hours on this mountain, it is very conveinant as it does not take long to walk out and get to a church or other means of free food, baaned from the forest forever ha thats a joke the coconino and khaibab are attached together and cover a massive amount of wilderness then you also have the navajo reservation and the painted desert and the whole khaibab plataeu, if he wants to go back there and live, the chances of him being caught are soooo remote, and so what if they do catch him again in say 11 years hmm whats gonna happen 6 months in jail then back to the bush for him, really what a waste of time and resources
Rick
08-20-2009, 01:38 PM
I don't know. I feel bad for the guy. I mean 11 years is a long time and he obviously wasn't hurting anyone. On the other hand, if it's allowed to go on there will be people squatting everywhere. The 14 day rules is there for a reason. Don't enforce it and it won't be long before there is no wilderness because someone will be living around every bend. My first reaction was shame on the guy that turned him in then, when I thought about it....
Rat Eater
08-20-2009, 09:26 PM
What really chaps me is NF usage. They allow cattle leasing, it is really hard on the land and it also competes for other animals food not to mention diseases they spread. Then you have the ranchers that act like they own the land. Next would be minieral leasing and so on.....! They have more than half of the accesses blocked off. But hell stay more than fourteen days, or build a shelter and your punished. Some of the rangers I have run into lately are more like LEOs doing field interrogations. I believe they are only there to protect their assets for their future use and profit. Kinda Hypocritical!
crashdive123
08-20-2009, 09:38 PM
On the one hand I wish that we could all have free and easy access to the open spaces anytime we would like. In an effort to keep those spaces free and open however, a bunch of bureacrats now manage that land. Right? Wrong? - Debatable at the very least. The thing to note in your examples - they all generate $$$ that make the bureacrats look good (at least in their own little circles)
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