View Full Version : Knife making time
rebel
08-16-2009, 04:36 PM
It rained last night and I feel it safe to have a good annealing fire.
Into the fire I have an old leaf spring, a couple of saw blades, bike chain and a gear.
THIS should prove to be quite interesting, Reb! Whatever you do, don't forget the Quality Control Department Rules. :)
rebel
08-16-2009, 04:47 PM
Aye aye on the QC. Doesn't WE have any pixie dust left over for your transformation?
Aye aye on the QC. Doesn't WE have any pixie dust left over for your transformation?
I thought WE was pixie dust. :innocent:
rebel
08-16-2009, 05:14 PM
Like this? http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/80704348/
Like this? http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/80704348/
YES! Or like this:
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/tinkerbell-pixie-1.jpg
rebel
08-16-2009, 05:22 PM
YES! Or like this:
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/tinkerbell-pixie-1.jpg
With a different head, that'd be some nice bomber nose art.
????
http://almazzoloto.com/res/text/sasha1.jpg
rebel
08-16-2009, 05:27 PM
????
http://almazzoloto.com/res/text/sasha1.jpg
Maybe...is this a trick? Ya can't be too careful these days.
No trick! She's sitting right here right next to me at this very moment. :innocent:
rebel
08-16-2009, 05:41 PM
I feel like this may be a trap but, O.K. Yea, like that!
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-17-2009, 05:59 AM
Keep the pics coming Rebel, can't wait to see what that pile turns into!
panch0
08-17-2009, 10:35 AM
Yes +1 on the pics. I can't wait to see the progression of your project.
Jonesy
08-17-2009, 11:51 AM
Is that a carbide tipped saw blade?
Do yourself a favor and rid of the carbide before you start forging that stuff together. It may cause you some real headaches when you do your hardening and quenching.
You have taken on a real challenge for sure. I am looking forward to seeing how it goes. :) Good luck and get some Icey Hot ready for that hammer arm :)
rebel
08-17-2009, 03:18 PM
Do yourself a favor and rid of the carbide before you start forging that stuff together. It may cause you some real headaches when you do your hardening and quenching.
You have taken on a real challenge for sure. I am looking forward to seeing how it goes. :) Good luck and get some Icey Hot ready for that hammer arm :)
Thanks for the heads-up. Most came off in the annealing fire.
rebel
08-17-2009, 03:21 PM
I'm getting the leaf spring knife roughed in for the forge and anvil work.
rebel
08-17-2009, 07:48 PM
Working with leaf springs is too much like work! I still have a long way to go.
I shortened it up a couple inches.
Okay, I'm lost. Is the leaf spring one knife and the pile of junk another knife or have you already turned all of that into the knife above?
Either way, I think it's way cool that you can turn all that junk into a usable and artistic tool. All of you guys need a chestnut tree and a barn.
rebel
08-17-2009, 08:09 PM
The leaf spring was one piece in the pile. I don't plan on combining all the junk into one piece. I figured I may as well anneal all the scrap at the same time. I'm also working on a couple other knives that I annealed with the leaf spring. These two are from the saw blade. The larger of these two is the Coot special.
Thank you. Sometimes you have to take me by the hand and lead me through the post. I like your work!!
crashdive123
08-17-2009, 09:39 PM
Cool looking stuff Rebel. Looking forward to your progress.
rebel
08-19-2009, 12:27 AM
Did I say don't let me try 1/4 inch stuff again? Great googlie wooglies! I was able to take out the spring bend and, began shaping the blade. A little thumb action on the blade back for you opposing types.
crashdive123
08-19-2009, 12:35 AM
Looks great!
That is nice work. Good job!
Jonesy
08-19-2009, 08:45 AM
Looks good Rebel.:)
Don't be surprised if that spring bend returns when you heat treat. Just be ready to try and deal with it if it does.
panch0
08-19-2009, 09:01 AM
looking good there.
pocomoonskyeyes
08-19-2009, 02:42 PM
I like that rebel. It sure looks tough enough.
rebel
08-19-2009, 11:02 PM
The wok-forge did a fine job this evening. I was able to heat that chunk-o-steel to where a magnet wouldn't stick and then quenched it in oil.
crashdive123
08-19-2009, 11:04 PM
Looking good Rebel. What kind of coal are you using?
panch0
08-19-2009, 11:08 PM
Now thats cool rebel!
rebel
08-19-2009, 11:09 PM
On to a different knife. The Mrs. paring knife that I'm making out of a saw blade. I treated it yesterday and today I'm cleaning it up. It has a cool and unusual (for me) design in the steel. It has little bumps. Is that from the heating, quenching in motor oil or the steel properties? I don't know why it's there but, I like it.
rebel
08-19-2009, 11:11 PM
Looking good Rebel. What kind of coal are you using?
Cheap store coal. It throws the sparks!
rebel
08-20-2009, 10:28 PM
Dang these blades are hard! I've been on the belt sander for a while. Then, a wet stone or sharpener. Then, back to the sander. Back and forth. I'm still not happy with the edge. What am I doing wrong?
rebel
08-20-2009, 10:41 PM
COOT,
How do you sharpen your saw blade knives?
Ole WV Coot
08-21-2009, 08:41 AM
COOT,
How do you sharpen your saw blade knives?
I get mine 90% complete before I harden the edge. Saves me a lot of time.
I have had a couple crack over the years but I just use a file to check hardness and use a medium stone then fine to get the polished edge and watch my fingers. I like hard and only use mine for slicing, couldn't chop with them. I use the draw file method to shape before heating. Once I scribe the center of the blade I mark the blade up as high as I want to harden draw file down to and leaving the scribe line, go past non-magnetic for a few minutes then 30w oil down to where I want hard, hold for a count of 5 and then the whole blade. My workshop is pretty well complete power tool wise but I like the old ways using old blades, have plenty of walnut, cherry etc seasoned for many years, brass core welding rods for pins, used 22mag cases for lanyard holes. I only made a few that I give away, have a couple I made for my grandson posted here. The one the link is for I use myself, not the shape of the others just what works for me.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 07:12 PM
Rebel,
If you look at "my forge is finally ready" post you'll see that I ran into the same thing. What we/you are missing is tempering. Tempering is done after heat treat. Hope this helps. Worked out for me!
Crash,
Did you try making charcoal at the Jamboree, I was waitng to hear how it went?
rebel
08-21-2009, 08:00 PM
CS,
You're right. I need to temper. I'll have to research that process.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 08:27 PM
Rebel,
There are varying temps for known steels but I just put my blade in the oven for 10-15 at 400F and it seems to have worked. It is still hard as I want a knife to be and it'll sharpen and seems to hold an edge. It hasn't seen alot of use yet. If all else fails you can draw it back in the hardwoods overnight and sharpen and reheatreat...Really you have nothing to lose just try it...
rebel
08-21-2009, 08:34 PM
I just finished cooking mine at 400 for 15 min. We'll see what happens. Thanks for your help CS!
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 08:39 PM
Awesome! Glad your gonna give it a go...By the way Nice Forge! I like that it is smaller and more portable!! I have another drum and I may just follow your lead with the rebar...What did you weld it with?
rebel
08-21-2009, 08:40 PM
If you leave your steel in the oil for longer than 5 seconds...what do you think would happen? I'll probably have to re-do the whole process.
rebel
08-21-2009, 08:47 PM
Awesome! Glad your gonna give it a go...By the way Nice Forge! I like that it is smaller and more portable!! I have another drum and I may just follow your lead with the rebar...What did you weld it with?
If you're looking close, the stick welder went through the wok. So, I switched to a wire feed and it did much better. I like the portability for now. At some time I would like a permanent and covered set-up.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 08:48 PM
There is no quench after tempering...not sure what your asking on that last post?
rebel
08-21-2009, 08:51 PM
There is no quench after tempering...not sure what your asking on that last post?
I was referring to the heat treatment. I'm letting it air cool after the tempering.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 08:53 PM
Sweehh you had me worried I didn't explain that part.... I think it is gonna work well for ya. which blade did you do?
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 08:54 PM
One more thing i quenched mine after non magnetic and left it in the oil so I don't hink you will have a problem there either...
rebel
08-21-2009, 08:57 PM
Sweehh you had me worried I didn't explain that part.... I think it is gonna work well for ya. which blade did you do?
All of them. I'm glad too hear you did the same with the quenching.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 09:00 PM
This is what it looked like when i couldn't sharpen it like I wanted to...
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x86/arabmagic/DSCN1176.jpg
rebel
08-21-2009, 09:12 PM
The tempering change the color of the knives. Maybe, this will work...we'll see.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 09:13 PM
Should be straw colored kinda like it has nicotine on it???
rebel
08-21-2009, 09:15 PM
Should be straw colored kinda like it has nicotine on it???
Most does but not all. Where the rack touched the knife it's blue.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 09:20 PM
I'd have to see it to be sure but I think it'll be fine if most does... I updated my leafspring post... Should of done it sooner and it'd of helped, just did it.. anyhow I had my blade up in the air if you look at the update. But still it is probably just a little color.. I would go ahead and sharpen and shape whatever you plan to do to finish them. I like the pearing knife and the antler handle can't wait to see them done. If you start sharpening them by hand you'lll know what you have...quick.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-21-2009, 09:24 PM
One more thing...you have heard of triple tempered steel probably... you can repeat the tempering process...with good results. maybe hang the blades and do it again...??
rebel
08-21-2009, 09:29 PM
Thanks again. I'll let you know what's cookin and what's not.
rebel
08-21-2009, 09:57 PM
It looks like I'll be tempering again. The file, stone and sharpener are still sliding off. I'll take a fresh look tomorrow.
rebel
08-22-2009, 11:40 PM
Some progress today. (I didn't have to paint). The handle on my bud Rodney's knife is on, I just need to polish and, the Mrs. flower micarta handle is curing for her knife. However, I'm dumping the saw blade knives. They're not holding an edge.
Lookin' good, Reb! :clap:
rebel
08-22-2009, 11:52 PM
Well Ken, while you're here. How 'bout some compensation from ol kadafi. An island would be nice. We could even call it camp Ken. I'm not greedy.
Well Ken, while you're here. How 'bout some compensation from ol kadafi. An island would be nice. We could even call it camp Ken. I'm not greedy.
First consultation is free. 2:00 Monday afternoon good for you?
rebel
08-23-2009, 12:00 AM
First consultation is free. 2:00 Monday afternoon good for you?
Unfortunately no. I'll be in SFO.
rebel
08-28-2009, 10:13 AM
I was able to put a nice sharp edge on the saw blade knives. Now, I'm shaping the handles. I still need to do the final sanding.
I got into a fight with the belt sander a couple days ago and lost. It came apart and grabbed the knife. I thought I was going to need stitches to my face (a possible improvement). So, be careful and wear your protective equipment.
panch0
08-28-2009, 10:49 AM
Thats cool how you can see the graphics! Good job!
Poncho, that's blood spatter and skin.
panch0
08-28-2009, 01:03 PM
Poncho, that's blood spatter and skin.
:eek: I didn't see a thing:death:
crashdive123
08-28-2009, 03:30 PM
Nice job Rebel. Glad you weren't hurt too bad.
canid
08-28-2009, 06:18 PM
that thick stock is a lot to work with, but it's looking great.
can't wait to see the newer blades shape and clean up.
thanks for sharing rebel.
canid
08-29-2009, 10:59 AM
wow, didn't even see the third page when i replied. those do look nice.
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