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MTNRNR3
08-16-2009, 04:19 PM
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Ken
08-16-2009, 04:25 PM
Hey, glad you've joined us, MTNRNR3! Care to post an Introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813
rebel
08-16-2009, 04:42 PM
Hey, glad you've joined us, MTNRNR3! Care to post an Introduction and tell us a bit about yourself?

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813

Funny! Crash may have said: "How about silently working your way over to the intro section".
MTNRNR3
08-16-2009, 04:48 PM
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rebel
08-16-2009, 04:50 PM
Oh, sorry. Intro is up :)

It's cool!
Ken
08-16-2009, 04:57 PM
MTNRNR3, I've practices a few of the skills you've mentioned over the years (Discrete Shelter, Low Profile Fire, and Navigation).

Long Range Communications are a different skill/equipment set, and only the most sophisticated systems can go undiscovered by others if they have the right technical equipment. The only things you can do with regular equipment is to use an earpiece and keep your voice low. Only transmit in coded messages and at irregular pre-determined times if safe to do so. Otherwise, keep your radios turned off.

Light is light. Light, even low intensity light, can be seen for miles at night unless you are in a very sheltered location. You can use infrared light or "night vision equipment" - preferably Gen 3 if you can afford it. Just remember that the bad guys may also have night vision equipment.

Snares, fishing, and foraging are the most discrete methods of food gathering. Firearms attract attention - although air guns (BB, pellet, .22) much less so.

If at all possible, travel only at night and be aware of moonlight and reflections. Use camouflaged clothing appropriate for your environment. Even black clothing can stick out like a sore thumb at night.

You'll always leave some evidence of a trail. Whether or not you are found depends on the skills of those who are hunting you.

Other than this advice, I'll defer to the members who are SERE instructors or have had advanced SERE training.
Sourdough
08-16-2009, 05:42 PM
MTNRNR3, I am hopeful you have some ideas of how to do this, as I have looked, and can not find one.
rebel
08-16-2009, 06:04 PM
I think he's gone. Well, ... ? Sorry 'bout that. You gonna die. Ain't we all.

To answer the question, 'cause I was trained to be a baby killer and all that.

If'n you gots the $, dig a big _ hole and hide till it's over. If not, come out and run w/ the rest of us.
MTNRNR3
08-17-2009, 12:40 AM
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Sourdough
08-17-2009, 06:29 AM
OK, Try it...and see if it works. First try it for a three day weekend, and keep expanding it to weeks at a time. Try it at different seasons of the year. Your thoughts on the subject are the commonly accepted thinking, It's workability is not the plan, the plan can and will change on the fly, it's workability is can the individual perform the tasks.....? Other wise it is just a plot for a novel.
Rick
08-17-2009, 10:05 AM
If you want to figure out how to do it, then you need to research the Japanese soldiers of WWII that refused to surrender. Some of them lived for decades without being found. Learn their skills and you will learn how to live undetected.

As for me, I'll put my time into surviving something with a little higher probability like a tornado.
SARKY
08-17-2009, 11:07 AM
No matter what you do, if they really want to find you, night vision and IR are pretty much available to everyone. Not to mention that drones equiped with FLIR don't tire and can be on station for longer than you can stay in your hole. Also the longer you are in your shelter, the more it will warm up and that change will be noted. If we are talking low tech, well that is a different story. Even dogs can be evaded and thrown off track.
trax
08-17-2009, 02:27 PM
If you want to figure out how to do it, then you need to research the Japanese soldiers of WWII that refused to surrender. Some of them lived for decades without being found. Learn their skills and you will learn how to live undetected.

No one was looking for them all that hard....

and I just want to add I'm sure glad somebody finally thought of posting something like this!!
Rick
08-17-2009, 02:58 PM
Something like what? This thread?

I have no idea what SHTF scenario the OP thinks will result in the apocalypse but we stand a much better chance of getting hit with a hurricane, tornado, earthquake, wild fire or a bad joke on this forum than aliens from Goomba Epsilon 5. Of course, if that did happen, I'd have to hang around long enough to find out what the chicks look like. I understand they think old age is sexy, which could be a really good thing.
finallyME
08-17-2009, 03:13 PM
And then there is always safety in numbers. just sayin' :alien:
trax
08-17-2009, 03:15 PM
Something like what? This thread?

Uh...hey Rick? I'm not sure how to break this to ya...but I'm pretty sure that the other..ohhhh 3,612 members of the forum all new my response was sarcasm. Go ahead and Google the word, we'll wait for ya...
oldsoldier
08-17-2009, 07:47 PM
MTN..... You as rebel said if you have the $..... You can literially "take it underground. Chek out www.utahsurvivalshelters.com ( I think thats the correct web site. You can actually buy your own bunker A pre-fab shelter built underground large enough for several people to shelter in comfort to an extent. Long term. Plus be almost Nuke attack safe with the exception of ground zero. As I said pretty pricey but... Imagine the possibilities.
Rick
08-17-2009, 07:57 PM
S....A....Sack of....Oh, my! That's not it. S....A....R....C....A....Oh, this is giving me a headache.

http://1828.mshaffer.com/images/noah_webster_dictionary_1828_small.jpg
SARKY
08-17-2009, 08:43 PM
You could do the same thing with a bunch of truck containers, a hillside and some concrete!
Rick
08-17-2009, 08:44 PM
Sort of like what Hope has done. Just sayin'.......
MTNRNR3
08-17-2009, 10:04 PM
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Ken
08-17-2009, 10:13 PM
Ever read this book?

http://www.louislamour.com/novels/lastofbreed.htm
Sourdough
08-17-2009, 10:47 PM
Ever read this book?

http://www.louislamour.com/novels/lastofbreed.htm


That is where I learned to put a big dallop of butter in my Hot Chocolate, in the winter.
Ken
08-17-2009, 10:55 PM
That is where I learned to put a big dallop of butter in my Hot Chocolate, in the winter.

That's why I was determined to try my first bear steak. And I did. Loved it.
Ken
08-17-2009, 10:57 PM
Hope, remember this line? "....can't track a muddy dog across a white carpet?"
Rick
08-17-2009, 10:58 PM
The original URL is:

http://www.disastershelters.net/


I'm hoping to find some in the near future because, like some have said, a pre-stocked bug out location stacks the odds in your favor - which is almost essential for surviving the first winter.

Assuming you can get to it. Assuming someone else doesn't own it by the time you get there. Assuming someone hasn't raided it. Assuming it survived the reason you headed there in the first place.

What makes going "there" so much better than staying where you are? Greener grass on the other side of the disaster?
MTNRNR3
08-17-2009, 11:56 PM
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Ken
08-18-2009, 12:18 AM
Rick, I can see that your position around here is to pick things ..........

Yep. And he does it, too!

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h92/sharidechter/jon_picking_his_nose.jpg (http://photobucket.com/images/picking%20nose)
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